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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<jeosol> morning beach.
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<decent-username> QUESTION: The following picture shows my current situation https://i.postimg.cc/Nf5QBFJ0/printing-2d-array.png
<decent-username> How could I align the columns ?
<decent-username> A link to a blog post would be enough.
<shka__> second
<decent-username> That's a long function.
<shka__> a little bit
<shka__> it should be easy to understand though
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<decent-username> (check-type table cl-df.table:fundamental-table) gives me an error
<shka__> first write to strings, gather number of characters in each column, print to output
<shka__> because it is a library and you are not loading it
<decent-username> the library is not in ql as it seems
<decent-username> cl-df that is
<shka__> no, not yet
<shka__> but don't bother with that, just take a look how it works
<decent-username> thanks, I'll enjoy taking this thing apart.
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<shka__> sure
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<Cymew> For extra points, try to do it all in FORMAT.
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<Shinmera> You can't.
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<Cymew> I sure can't, but I've seen totally unreal things done in FORMAT.
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<Shinmera> Format has no way of tabular arrangement because you need to know the cell sizes ahead of time.
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<Shinmera> Once you do know the size of each column then, sure, you could use format.
<phadthai> FORMAT used to display columns of nicknames when entring an irc channel (indeed, size is calculated first): http://git.pulsar-zone.net/?p=mmondor.git;a=blob;f=mmsoftware/cl/test/irclog.lisp;hb=HEAD#l745:
<phadthai> hmm there's an extra trailing : at the end
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<shka__> Shinmera: exactly
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<Josh_2> Afternoon :D
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<alandipert> anyone know how to interpret this type specifier? https://github.com/s-expressionists/Eclector/blob/master/code/reader/quasiquote-macro.lisp#L35
<jackdaniel> alandipert: cons where car is of anytype and cdr is either an atom or a cons which car is unquote
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<jackdaniel> i.e (42 . 52) ((1 2 3) . foobar) and ("bam" . (unquote foo)), but not (42 15) aka (42 . (15 . nil))
<alandipert> jackdaniel thanks, i get it now
<jackdaniel> sure
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<alandipert> jackdaniel actually does (not cons) really mean atom? wondering if could mea array too
<jackdaniel> array is also an atom
<jackdaniel> (atom "foo") ; -> T
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<alandipert> oh wow, that explodes my brain
<Xach> chanl added an unconditional (warn ...) at compile-time and now it has busted a bunch of dependencies (and itself)
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<jdz> Oof
<Josh_2> that's a big oof
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<bumblingMonkey> Has anybody here used clx and the render extension to draw semi-transparent triangles? All I get are solids.
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<beach> bumblingMonkey: Check in #clim. More people there have used the render extension in CLX.
<jackdaniel> bumblingMonkey: this code branch is currently disabled for unrelated reason, but please take a look at https://github.com/McCLIM/McCLIM/blob/master/Backends/CLX/medium-xrender.lisp#L71
<jackdaniel> (notice how the alpha channel is treated and the call to render-fill-rectangle)
<bumblingMonkey> I check that, but there's nothing about triangles. Filled rects work fine alpha.
<bumblingMonkey> with alpha
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<jackdaniel> you need to use fill-trapezoid or whatever it is called, it works very similar
<jackdaniel> xlib:render-triangle-fan
<jackdaniel> you need to compose it "over"
<bumblingMonkey> tried triangle-strip with all ops, no go. I could try fan, but not sure if it would be different. Do you have any working code?
<jackdaniel> I've linked you a working code, but it is for rectangles
<jackdaniel> I don't have anything else
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<bumblingMonkey> which works differently since fill-rectangles takes a color array, while the triangle functions take pictures, which I think might be part of the problem. I can't even located C code using triangles.
<jackdaniel> C code?
<bumblingMonkey> well, any code written in any language, using the triangle rendering functions. So I can't even tell if it is supposed to work.
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<jackdaniel> I suppose you can call fill-rectangle on a picture and pass that picture as a design for the triangle-fan
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<decent-username> I've asked a question a few hours ago. Unfortunatley I didn't have proper internet until now. Did anyone answer it?
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<Shinmera> there's logs in the topic.
<beach> decent-username: I don't think we saw your question.
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<decent-username> alright then I'll send you a paste of the relevant text.
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<decent-username> I have another question: How could I override the name of a classes :initarg and :accessor for a slot that was inherited?
<decent-username> This is my current code: https://pastebin.com/tpBXs0QZ
<decent-username>
<decent-username>
<decent-username> Inside #'make-sprite-sheet-sprite I'd like to initialize the `resource-keyword' slot from the `sprite' class.
<decent-username> Is something like that possible?
<decent-username> I actually don't want a new `sprite-sheet' slot for `sprite-sheet-sprite', just different names for the accessor and initarg of `resource-keyword'
<decent-username> O . o pastebin didn't let me pass
<Xach> decent-username: you do have to recap the slot name and add an :accessor and :initarg argument.
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<decent-username> Alright. How do I "recap" a slot name?
<Xach> by "recap" i mean you have to write a slot definition with the same name.
<Xach> any options will extend the options of the original slot.
<decent-username> oh, that's easy
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<decent-username> LOL. I was hacking around with (defmethod initialize-instance :after ...)
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<Xach> no need
<decent-username> I'll plan on writing lisp throughout this semester, so I don't get rusty. And because I'm a lazy bum, Im staying from 8AM to 8PM at the university.
<decent-username> I've almost finished my first week. :^D
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<Bike> the superclass accessor will still work on instances of the subclass, just so you know
<decent-username> Bike: I would've expected as much.
<decent-username> I want a need initarg and accessor to make the code more readable.
<Bike> you said "different names" instead of just a new name, so i figured i'd be expliict about it
<decent-username> I wanted to make*
<decent-username> Maybe I've had too little sleep. My brain is spewing out random sentences with bad syntax.
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<decent-username> Bike: That's why I like the Lisp community. People are very accurate with their word choice. (in contrast to me)
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<Xach> maybe it's from years of parsing the hyperspec
<decent-username> probably. I still don't really know how to use the words "condition" and "error" properly.
<decent-username> I usually just say: "It raises an Error" or "It throws an Error."
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<Bike> "it signals an error"
<Bike> we'll probably understand it with the other two, though
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<beach> decent-username: "throw" in this context is not good, because there is a function THROW that does something completely different.
<beach> There is still some sloppiness in the vocabulary used here. There is no such thing as "a lambda" for instance. There is "a lambda expression" and there is an "anonymous function" (the result of evaluating the lambda expression).
<beach> And many people say "a CLOS class" but that term is meaningless since all classes are part of CLOS. What they often mean is "a standard class".
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<flip214> beach: don't you think there could be classes outside of CLOS? not in ANSI CL, granted, but if someone implements them using CONS cells only (or structures, or arrays, etc.)
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<aeth> flip214: I think what beach is saying is that people say "a CLOS class" when they mean "a class defined by defclass", which is more accurately "a standard class". And that distinction is needed because there can be condition classes (or are they just conditions?) with define-condition and structure classes with defstruct.
<Bike> "condition types"
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<aeth> flip214: And imo there are some classes that you yourself can write that aren't part of CLOS if you (ab)use macros enough, but that's kind of besides the point. They're not CL classes, you're basically embedding a new language.
<aeth> (And beach would probably say that if you're avoiding CLOS there in the implementation, you're probably making things too hard.)
<Bike> i think technically you could have find-class not work on condition types
<aeth> (Although depending on what you mean by "a part of CLOS", then everything in the language is a part of CLOS, so that's another possible reply.)
<LdBeth> there’re other Object systems implemented with CL, I guess that’s flip214 means
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<LdBeth> And some of them are pre ANSI CL and CLOS
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<clothespin> what would you do with a 64 core chip?
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<LdBeth> Install gentoo
<dlowe> two chromes at the same time
<clothespin> why
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<pjb> aeth: defclass can also define non-standard-classes, when :metaclass is not standard-class.
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<aeth> terminology is hard
<Shinmera> There's system classes, but those are also classes as part of CLOS.
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<aeth> This makes me think of the tangential question: Is there any class system that can't be expressed by CLOS? I don't think so...
<clothespin> maybe frames
<pjb> frame was the inspiration for clos!
<clothespin> clos is thoroughly class/instance in nature
<pjb> aeth: you're confusing CLOS and the MOP.
<Shinmera> Anyway, beach's point is that every class is a class as part of CLOS, and as such saying "CLOS class" is redundant and ambiguous.
<pjb> With the MOP and some macros, you can do everything.
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<aeth> pjb: I am being intentionally general to allow for more room, but there still might be a counterexample. I mean, turing complete, yes, but sometimes you literally have to write an interpreter to run that equivalent program.
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<aeth> If you allow for macros, I think you can emulate static object systems (C++/Java/etc.) just by doing things at macro expansion time instead of run time. I think that would just require boxing everything and using type declarations with https://github.com/Bike/introspect-environment and would be very Java-ish, but being Java-ish there would be the point.
<pjb> aeth: let's use macros only for syntactic abstraction.
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<aeth> pjb: Then to do C++/Java, you'd just have to fake the above at runtime, doing two passes, I guess?
<aeth> Is there an object system that's too dynamic, though?
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<LdBeth> aeth: Smalltalk's
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<asarch> Are there any public logs of this channel?
<asarch> I lost my HDD with all my logs :'-(
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<no-defun-allowed> asarch: There's three in the topic.
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<asarch> THANK YOU!!!
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