00:21 <cr1901_modern> https://archive.org/details/YamahaYM3812ApplicationManual How do I get the book reader view to work?

00:21 <cr1901_modern> https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_necdatashe79_1461697 <-- Like this

00:22 <protosphere> i think you have to add a field pointing to the pdf if it's similar to how the emulator stuff works

00:22 <protosphere> i wouldn't know specifically though

00:23 <cr1901_modern> okay thanks

00:23 <cr1901_modern> I'll just leave it as is now. At least now the document should be more easily accessible

00:24 <protosphere> https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360016405152-Books-and-Texts-A-Basic-Guide-

00:25 <protosphere> https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360016638171-Books-and-Texts-Tips-Troubleshooting- seems to imply it's automatic

00:26 <protosphere> maybe it just hasn't processed it fully yet

00:26 <cr1901_modern> Hmmm, possible... I'll just wait and see what happens

00:26 <protosphere> i think the "derive task" it says is processing should handle that

00:28 <cr1901_modern> Also, that doujin page is adorable even if I can't read it lol

00:30 <cr1901_modern> protosphere: Book reader view is working

00:33 <cr1901_modern> (I mainly wanted it b/c... I actually think book view is really good (tm) for reading PDFs)

00:40 <protosphere> is there any decent documentation on the YM2612?

00:40 <protosphere> i have a couple I got ""new"" from ebay but are obviously desoldered

00:40 <cr1901_modern> I am unaware of any existing datasheet for one

00:41 <cr1901_modern> my guess is that Yamaha worked w/ Sega when creating the Genesis dev manual and that was the extent of the actual docs (b/c it's so similar to YM2608, which _does_ have a JP-only datasheet)

00:41 <protosphere> i think i've run across some in japanese but nothing in english

00:41 <cr1901_modern> Ditto w/ whoever developed FM Towns

00:44 <cr1901_modern> I have a YM2608 datasheet in Japanese... data is 2006, prob from spritesmind forums. Someone did a translation more recently.

01:50 <Stilett0> <cr1901_modern> Just something to think about :)... when I upload the OPL2 App Manual, I'm gonna put as a blurb "I did not scan this, someone else found it, I got a copy. Since neither of us remember where they found it, its origin will likely forever remain a mystery."

01:51 <Stilett0> cr1901_modern what's a checksum on it and other metadata? I'll check if it came from me

01:54 <Stilett0> is it SHA1: B7B16C84DB432925FA2A52722E1A1B5C9AFB2891 ?

01:55 <Stilett0> this thing ? https://archive.org/download/YamahaYM3812ApplicationManual

01:55 <Stilett0> then it came from me, by way of oplx.com

01:55 <Stilett0> and it was in MAMEDev's private collection

01:55 <Stilett0> how it got exfiltrated from there, who can say :)

01:57 <Stilett0> oplx.com sent me a photocopy of the manual he had, many many years ago

01:58 <Stilett0> we also have YMF262 Application Manual, which I got a physical photocopy of from Yehar via snailmail many years ago (http://yehar.com/blog/?p=665 ), and many years later, I scanned

01:59 <Stilett0> okay? okay

02:08 <Stilett0> of course I say "private collection of documents" but there were very few things that needed to be eyes-only

02:09 <cr1901_modern> Stilett0: I just uploaded that onto archive today

02:09 <cr1901_modern> does the SHA1 match yours?

02:10 <cr1901_modern> so I'm a bit preoccupied

02:11 <Ultrasauce> its the same

02:12 <cr1901_modern> Okay mystery solved then

02:12 <Stilett0> yes, my copy is SHA1: B7B16C84DB432925FA2A52722E1A1B5C9AFB2891 - I scanned it myself and uploaded it to our team in January 2007.

02:13 <cr1901_modern> Idk how whitequark found it, just that she did in anger :P

02:13 <cr1901_modern> I didn't* know

02:13 <cr1901_modern> well how do you suggest I update the description?

02:14 <Stilett0> I am sorry it wasn't shared sooner. In my early years of datasheet acquisition there were a few cases where I agreed not to share things outside our circle, but this wasn't one of them.

02:15 <Stilett0> you can say something like "courtesy of MAMEdev and OPLX.com" , I don't really care? It's the truth tho

02:17 <Ultrasauce> so have you got opn2 docs squirreled away? :)

02:17 <cr1901_modern> No... closest I have is ym2608

02:20 <Stilett0> I received it around October 2000, finally scanned it in 2007. It was different times. Bitsavers.org didn't really care to host things he didn't scan (still doesn't), I had no real webspace of my own, archive.org wasn't hosting arbitary files. So I uploaded it to our servers and it sat there for a bit.

02:23 <ej5> if you sent bitsavers the physical datasheets, i'm sure he'd scan and upload them. he has very exacting scanning standards and procedures

02:25 <Stilett0> yes. They're photocopies tho, IDK what he thinks of that. :P I've known Bitsavers as an online "friend" back to 1999, sheesh, that's twenty years... :)

02:26 <cr1901_modern> Anyone with a _non_ Comcass email willing to let me send them a test email where they reply?

02:26 <ej5> Stilett0, he might still be ok with photocopies. i've only known him (IRL) for about 10 years.

02:26 <cr1901_modern> Trying to figure out whether I have dovecot/postfix misconfigured or whether Comcast is legit blocking accepting mail from my VPS

02:29 <Stilett0> Ultrasauce: no opn2 docs I don't think that no one else has, though I caught whiff of a rumor recently that something *real* might exist. But I do have a fairly large Yamaha datasheet and manual collection, collected hither and yon over many years. Some from the collection uploaded to Spritesmind, but I already had most of that. Most just through Google-Fu.

02:31 <Stilett0> y'all ain't lived until you're googling the words "'application manual' filetype:pdf" in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean

02:32 <Stilett0> TBH i think it's likely Bitsavers may eventually come across his own pristine copy of YM3812 Application Manual in some documentation acquisitions and scan it himself

02:33 <ej5> hard to say, he got a lot of his material from silicon valley surplus stores which are nearly all closed now

02:34 <Stilett0> true enough!

02:34 <ej5> so unless someone sends them in...

02:35 <Stilett0> well, I guess I had *this* webspace: http://web.archive.org/web/20070215000307/http://research.mame.net:80/

02:37 <cr1901_modern> So... anyone got an email addr I can test with :P?

02:41 <Stilett0> the thing about MAMEdev was: it has its roots in a bunch of reverse-engineer "hackers" releasing a source-available/open-source product, and, in its early years especially, in competition with a bunch of other projects. In the end, it's open-source. But until it released? it was shields-up private. Secret servers. Eyes-only mailing list. These days, it's more different, more open. But

02:41 <Stilett0> in its early days? As much was public, much more was private. "Hacker mystique."

02:41 <Stilett0> Sarayan back me up! :D

02:42 <cr1901_modern> AFAIK, MAME was open source in name only for a long time

02:42 <cr1901_modern> B/c emulation pie is srs bsns

02:42 <Stilett0> srs bsns!

02:44 <Stilett0> cr1901_modern: that's why it was "source available", not open source. Because OSI definitions are srs bsns! :D

02:45 <ej5> very srs

02:45 <cr1901_modern> Indeed :). And I have... Thoughts about the srs bsns of emulation

02:46 <cr1901_modern> that some ppl don't like

02:58 <Stilett0> very srs.

02:58 <Stilett0> *nods*

08:05 <ValleyBell> Stilett0: You don't happen to have manuals for some of the more exotic Yamaha sound chips like YMF271, YMZ280B or YMW258/MultiPCM, do you?

13:13 <l_oliveira> I wonder why chatzilla allows for more than one instance of itself. <shrug>