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<cr1901_modern> ej5: What is Visual Floppy Disk? https://twitter.com/TubeTimeUS/status/1248422119383289857
<cr1901_modern> I didn't know Microsoft was branching out into programming languages for reading obsolete media
<ej5> oh that's just HxC
<ej5> very handy program
<ej5> also i just realized that's an amiga disk that i imaged
<kode54> btw
<kode54> does it support visualizing Apple IIgs floppies?
<kode54> those actually used multiple motor speeds, and packed the sectors more densely on the outer tracks
<kode54> so they got 800k instead of 768k
<kode54> sounds like a very small advantage
<kode54> for such a complicated piece of hardware or software driving it
<ej5> GCR right?
<kode54> I don't remember
<ej5> it supports apple ii floppies, so perhaps?
<kode54> apple ii floppies always had 16 sectors per track
<kode54> except for dos 3.2, which had 13
<kode54> I just know the only floppy drives that were ever backwards compatible with Apple IIgs floppies were the ones supplied with classic Macs
<kode54> they could read and write ProDOS disks
<ej5> interesting
<kode54> or you could format them HFS and use them with newer GSOS
<ej5> apple was always really weird about disk drives
<kode54> back then, Apple IIgs called the "FST" or "File System Translator", High Sierra
<kode54> the HFS one
<ej5> dates back to woz designing his own custom controller and (some other engineer) doing the custom analog board for the drive itself
<kode54> high sierra fs
<kode54> yeah
<kode54> the Apple II disk drives were special
<ej5> yeah, stepping controlled entirely through software
<kode54> in that they saved a boat load of money by making half of the logic pure software
<ej5> thats where we get all that spiratracking crap
<kode54> I remember Lode Runner for Apple II
<cr1901_modern> floppies with spirals... like CDs?
<kode54> it used 1/4 and 3/4 offset tracks, spaced with an offset of 1.5 tracks
<ej5> yeah they did tricks with the 4 software controlled signals that directly controlled the stepper motor phases
<kode54> and the media was so sensitive to the read head passing over it, that reading the disk with the wrong track offsets could actually damage the data
<ej5> mmm i dunno about that
<kode54> well
<kode54> I just know
<ej5> the read head is entirely passive
<kode54> my dad used a generic copy software to copy the game from a friend
<kode54> and not only did it produce a non-working copy, it rendered the original unusable
<ej5> could be he didn't swap the disks out correctly, or put the wrong disk in the wrong drive
<kode54> I found that doing the same thing with a proper copy app for it, even rendered the game unreadable
<ej5> i'd be very surprised if it was a hardware issue
<balrog> whitequark: yeah, the Apple II floppy drives do have a different AFE
<balrog> this means that while you usually can get away with using PC drives for read, reliability for write is difficult
<balrog> the 3.5" drives are more forgiving, though with GCR media it can still be problematic
<cr1901_modern> #openmfm
<balrog> I wouldn't say it's impossible to get it working though
<whitequark> ack
<balrog> cr1901_modern: channel is empty?
<cr1901_modern> sorry it was a joke
<cr1901_modern> but definitely a bucket list idea
<cr1901_modern> Absolutely no use other than to prove it's possible
<cr1901_modern> whitequark: Completely OT, but whatever... have you ever used ansible to successfully redeploy postfix on a fresh VPS install? And it worked w/o issue?
<andlabs> did anything use GCR on 3.5" disks other than Macintosh
<andlabs> IDK what the 1581 used
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<whitequark> cr1901_modern: probably? i use my own recipes though
<ej5> andlabs, apparently the sector format is standard IBM (or very close to it)
<andlabs> on the 1581? I thought you still needed special software for reading MFM IBM disks
<ej5> you do because the file system is different
<andlabs> oh I thought you needed the special software regardless of filesystem
<andlabs> maybe I'm confused
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