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<purr>
<locks> elliot is always up, he takes viagra by the bucketful
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<purr>
<alexgordon> I remember browsing through this ruby code and it was so riduclously cramped, like it had been written on a tamagotchi
<devyn>
ruby tamagotchi haha
<devyn>
I wonder if English speakers would still pronounce it the same way if they had spelled it 'tamagocchi' instead
<devyn>
usually Japanese romanizations just double the consonant to represent gemination
<devyn>
the first consonant*
<whitequa1k>
devyn: btw, the pronunciation in russian is correct
<whitequa1k>
"tamagocchi"
<devyn>
that's just because Russian doesn't change 'o' into [a] though
<devyn>
English orthography is bizarre
<whitequa1k>
it actually does, I think, but in some regional dialects
<whitequa1k>
maybe vice-versa? I don't recall. there was something like that.
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<whitequa1k>
I honestly don't understand people's unhealthy obsession with anal sex, though
<whitequa1k>
I mean, it's an ass. why do you feel a need to put something in your ass, much less someone else's?! wtf.
<devyn>
it's like any other fetish
<devyn>
people who don't have it don't get it
<devyn>
at all
<devyn>
but I wouldn't call it unhealthy
<devyn>
why is it unhealthy?
<devyn>
lol
<purr>
lol
<whitequa1k>
I don't think so, I mean, at least here, it looks more like a fad than a fetish
<whitequa1k>
well, because it's painful and uncomfortable and people tend to impose it on their partners because of whoever they heard it from or absurdly unrealistic porn they've seen it in?
<whitequa1k>
which seems to be a sad reality for a vast majority of university-age couples for example
<devyn>
well it's not painful or uncomfortable to people who enjoy it, if done properly
<devyn>
you kinda have to prepare for it though
<whitequa1k>
I'm well aware
<whitequa1k>
it's not about 'enjoy', it's about following a fad
<devyn>
but yes, people see the porn and want to try it, I guess
<devyn>
and they don't realize that you can't just do that
<devyn>
like that
<devyn>
haha
<whitequa1k>
honestly at this point I just prefer to not know what most other people are up to, because every single time it completely exceeds anything I might expect and it ends up being extremely sad and pathetic and I hate humans even more
<whitequa1k>
ugh
whitequa1k is now known as whitequark
<devyn>
well it's not unusual to be attracted to it
<devyn>
great apes are very sexual
<devyn>
and very creatively so
<devyn>
unconventional things are sometimes desirable
<devyn>
many monkeys have anal and oral sex
<whitequark>
I'm not questioning a fetish
<devyn>
okay, then what do you think is so sad or pathetic
<whitequark>
I'm saying that following a fad without practically any consideration about experience or preferences of your partner, and moreover, expecting them to enjoy it by default, is horrible
<devyn>
oh okay, then yes, I agree with you
<whitequark>
I mean there's a significant amount of young women who I'm aware don't even realize that there is anything wrong with that shit
<whitequark>
it's simply how it is supposed to happen in those social circles
<whitequark>
when I hear a person talking, quote, "to feel less shitty I imagine myself as some kind of a doll or inanimate object" it makes me want to kill, maim and burn.
<devyn>
I know, but that's what they think they should do… some people (especially women) don't really get the chance to realize that sex should be a mutual thing
<devyn>
that's why there's a stereotype about women not enjoying sex
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<devyn>
because men can easily please themselves, and the women want to please their men
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<devyn>
and of course if that just becomes the cultural attitude
<whitequark>
no, it's not what they think they should do. it's a last-resort coping mechanism which allows to sustain that kind of anxiety and fear and stay at least somewhat sane
<devyn>
I'm not saying that it isn't
<devyn>
I'm saying that they don't really realize that that isn't right
<whitequark>
of course they do, anything more complex that an insect realizes that fear is something to avoid. that's its explicit physiological purpose!
<jeannicolas>
I dunno... breast implants seems like a much bigger WTF to me... it's a fucking surgery... to get bigger boobs... because some women think that that's what mean wants...
<jeannicolas>
s/mean/men/
<whitequark>
what they also realize is that there's basically nowhere to run
<devyn>
I don't think it's about "nowhere to run"
<devyn>
I think it's "if I don't do this, he won't like me"
<whitequark>
well, I didn't guess, I asked
<devyn>
you're talking about one specific person then
<whitequark>
several, the replies are surprisingly uniform
<whitequark>
you're right about one part, it's a cultural thing indeed
<devyn>
I don't really understand that then
<devyn>
why do they think they have nowhere to run?
<whitequark>
apparently, because a significant enough proportion of men they meet are following this policy closely enough to lead them to believe that all do
<devyn>
following which policy
<whitequark>
described above
<jeannicolas>
what about blowjobs?
<devyn>
the policy of forcing them to have anal sex?
<devyn>
okay
<devyn>
I see
<whitequark>
*sigh*
<whitequark>
can you generalize a bit?
<whitequark>
you've even said it yourself
<devyn>
the policy of forcing them to do things without regard for how they feel about it?
<whitequark>
06:18 <+devyn> I know, but that's what they think they should do… some people (especially women) don't really get the chance to realize that sex should be a mutual thing
<devyn>
okay, well it helps if you say what you're referring to
<devyn>
in any case, whitequark
<jeannicolas>
tl;dr: forcing your sexual partner to do anything they are not comfortable with is a bad thing...(even if it's something that porn depicts as "normal") ... I don't think anyone can disagree with that
<devyn>
it just comes down to objectifying sexual partners
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<devyn>
they see them as an object
<devyn>
to use to satisfy and relieve themselves
<whitequark>
jeannicolas: well apparently quite a few people do
<jeannicolas>
I'm not surprised by that... and that's sad :(
<devyn>
whitequark: you see, I don't think most would disagree if you said that
<devyn>
I think they'd do it anyway but they'd be able to tell you what's wrong with that if you made them think about it
<whitequark>
devyn: you'd be surprised
<whitequark>
well, "most". *shrug*.
<purr>
¯\(º_o)/¯
<jeannicolas>
but I don't think anal in itself is bad... just like I don't think those (imho) disgusting gagging blowjobs are bad... I think it's bad if people think that it's "the norm"...
<jeannicolas>
and expect their inexperienced sexual partner to do it...
<devyn>
whitequark: yeah, like, I know some people are total dicks and would just say "nah, she's my bitch, she does what I tell her to do"
<devyn>
but I don't think most people would openly say that
<jeannicolas>
but the act in itself... meh... do what you want in your bedroom really... I don't care if you like a grapefruit shoved up your ass!
<whitequark>
jeannicolas: exactly what I'm talking about
<devyn>
even if that's how they feel
<jeannicolas>
I do agree that the "average" porn nowadays is quite disturbing... and it should be used as a model for... well anything really
<jeannicolas>
shouldn't*
<jeannicolas>
lol
<purr>
lol
<devyn>
I don't think it's "disturbing" -- it objectifies, certainly, and people need to be made aware of that, because I think young guys get it into their head that that kind of sexual objectification is normal
<devyn>
but there's really no getting around the fact that it's basically the intention of porn
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<devyn>
it's sex, as an object
<joelteon>
echo! (echo! echo! echo!)
<devyn>
joelteon: ?
<jeannicolas>
I dunno... it's weird... I find the average porn (think BIG paysites like brazzers, bangbros etc...) depicts quite a rough, super hardcore style of porn... not something I would want to base my first sexual experience on... and yet... in this day and age... that's the "model" that kids have...
<devyn>
of course it is
<devyn>
it's sexually stimulating
<devyn>
in a very raw way
<whitequark>
I dunno, I always found that it is not
<devyn>
it's not my preference either
<jeannicolas>
yeah but I think it's different for me, as a 30 years old who's married etc.. to see stuff like that... than it is to a 12 years old who's "learning about sex"...
<devyn>
people don't watch porn to "learn about sex" though
<devyn>
they watch porn to get off
<jeannicolas>
if you say so!... I dunno...
<jeannicolas>
I honestly have no idea...
<jeannicolas>
I hope so! :)
<devyn>
and that's *why* it has the effect that it does
<devyn>
because people just don't learn to separate the two on their own
<devyn>
watching porn and masturbating is selfish
<whitequark>
there's tons of decent porn. but mainstream stuff is horrible for some reason
<jeannicolas>
I have no issue with people watching super hard stuff and understanding what they're watching really... but I have issues with young people watching that and thinking it's "how it's supposed to be"
<whitequark>
I mean, take, for example, that famous Sasha Grey
<whitequark>
literally only thing she does is hangs around and randomly screams at camera
<joelteon>
you should join mothers against pornography or whatever it's called
<devyn>
I think you're overcomplicating it though
<whitequark>
how is that supposed to be arousing I have zero clue
<devyn>
I don't think they think that's "how it's supposed to be"
<devyn>
I think they think "this is hot, I can get off on this"
<joelteon>
make a real difference
<jeannicolas>
devyn: again... if you're right, then good!
<whitequark>
1/2 hilarious, 1/2 you need to be a real moron to watch this
<devyn>
lol, idk
<purr>
lol
<devyn>
jeannicolas: the problem is really just that people don't learn to separate the two on their own. so by the time they have sex, unless someone tells them otherwise, it's a very selfish, objectified thing
<devyn>
their goal is to "get some"
<joelteon>
dude
<joelteon>
just tell them to talk to julianne moore
<jeannicolas>
devyn: I've worked for porn companies (writing paysites backends, affiliate program stuff etc...) for years (from 18 to ~23-24 years old, my main revenue was from porn sites)... I've seen my share of porn really... trust me when I say I'm open minded... but then I see stuff like facialabuse.com, etc.. and I'm like... wtf is going on
<devyn>
I think what happens is by pursuing it so selfishly
<devyn>
they inadvertently become dominant
<devyn>
and it's all about them
<devyn>
but maybe some people are just naturally dominant like that
<devyn>
sadistic
<jeannicolas>
to do stuff like that... you have to be...
<whitequark>
Connors characterized Putin’s body language as a “highly restricted...head-to-tail spinal pattern similar to fish movement” in one 2004 report, according to her because he likely did not crawl as an infant.
<whitequark>
what.
<whitequark>
no, seriously, what?!
<devyn>
I just installed MediaHint
<devyn>
because
<devyn>
why not
<devyn>
it works
<jeannicolas>
hola unblocker works well too
<jeannicolas>
and when all else fails... AdFreeTime's DNS are pretty useful
<jeannicolas>
(oh shit more ellipses, hopefully people won't judge me)
<devyn>
whitequark: hahahahahahahaha
<whitequark>
that is so. much. better. than real news
<whitequark>
I mean, he isn't even that far off with the whole "don't be a pussy" thing! he should present that as evening news in an entirely deadpan manner
<joelteon>
why do so many ipv6 addresses start with 2001
<devyn>
you know news-comedy shows are really popular in NA, right whitequark? lol
<purr>
lol
<devyn>
there are tons of them
<whitequark>
NA?
<devyn>
north america
<whitequark>
oh
<whitequark>
didn't know that
<devyn>
yeah
<whitequark>
you mean fox news is a comedy, right? right?
<devyn>
sadly, no
<whitequark>
wait
<whitequark>
"attached mattresses to their vessels"
<whitequark>
is also not edited
<whitequark>
what.
<devyn>
I don't know what they were thinking haha
<devyn>
maybe they stink really bad?
<devyn>
maybe they were just airing them out and the news media speculated stupidly?
<devyn>
lol
<purr>
lol
<whitequark>
Last week, one Ukrainian warship crew had attached mattresses to their vessels to repel Russian soldiers in the event of an attack. They've taken down the mattresses now.
<whitequark>
"Well, we realized the Russians wouldn't attack," said one naval officer.
<whitequark>
is this some kind of elaborate prank?
<jeannicolas>
sammcd: holy shit you're still here?
<devyn>
haha
<devyn>
whitequark: it's just a massive dick waving and insult contest
<devyn>
what do you expect
<whitequark>
devyn: eh?
<whitequark>
between news networks or what?
<devyn>
ukranian forces and the "militia"
<whitequark>
I mean, I find it hard to believe that some guys over on that ship is deranged enough to claim that mattresses will protect him from a russian attack
<devyn>
no, I'm pretty sure they were mocking the russians
<whitequark>
maybe he was sarcastic and whoever wrote that for CBS is unable to recognize that?
<devyn>
well they showed pictures... but yeah I think it was a joke they just didn't get
<devyn>
lol
<purr>
lol
<devyn>
news media in America doesn't make jokes
<devyn>
interprets everything seriously all the time
<whitequark>
Ukrainian naval ships Slavutich, right, and Ternopil, left, in dock in Sevastopol, Ukraine, on Tuesday, March 4, 2014. The blankets and mattresses are placed over the side of the ship to hinder any attempted assault. (AP / Ivan Sekretarev)
<whitequark>
...
<sammcd>
jeannicolas: weeeeeeeeeee
<sammcd>
I pwn this channel
<sammcd>
everyone here ph33rs me
<sammcd>
and my just rule
<sammcd>
also they don't know who I am........
<whitequark>
"he's not connecting with [commander] at all"
* whitequark
bangs his head over the desk
<whitequark>
I couldn't make this shit up if I wanted
<whitequark>
connecting, my ass.
<whitequark>
*sob*
<devyn>
kik
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<whitequark>
hahahaha blockchain.info's mobile phone selector is awesome
<whitequark>
Kazakhstan (+7)
<whitequark>
if you don't know
<whitequark>
+7 is all of Russia
<devyn>
lots of countries use +1 too
<devyn>
United States (+1)
<devyn>
Canada (+1)
<devyn>
but those two are big
<devyn>
I'm sure there are small ones too
<purr>
<Nuck> I reject your genitalia and substitute my own.
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<purr>
<incomprehensibly> STRAWBERY AVALNGELHTA
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<purr>
<alexgordon> can we have an etherpad of elliottcable's exes too?
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<purr>
<elliottcable> I'm racist as all fuck when it comes to sex
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<glowcoil>
purr: you already did that one
<purr>
<gq> witness purr, voiced by Paul Bettany, as he shuts down starbound because 'god dammit go outside, fuck your video games'
<joelteon>
silverfish armageddon just happened
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<joelteon>
i'm amazed how devoted mtr is
<joelteon>
just amazed
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<purr>
<joelteon> you don't realize how much pressure there is for the cool kids to rub their faces in poop these days