<whitequark>
do you see that goddamn fucking mirror finish?
<whitequark>
it took me 11 endmills and about thirty attempts to produce that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what're you milling? :D
<whitequark>
a fucking box
<whitequark>
basically, for soaking PCB there
<whitequark>
for several operations... etching, plating, maybe more
<whitequark>
will glue with epoxy and perhaps waterproof with silicone germetic
<whitequark>
no, that's a wrong word
<whitequark>
with silicone waterproofing compound, according to my dictionary.
<whitequark>
okay.
<whitequark>
english is straightforward.
<whitequark>
<3 straightforward English
<purr>
Let it be known that whitequark hearts straightforward English.
* ELLIOTTCABLE
laughs
<whitequark>
what?
<whitequark>
I find English very straightforward and easy to learn
<whitequark>
without sarcasm
<whitequark>
in that regard, I like it much much better than Russian
* ELLIOTTCABLE
grins
<whitequark>
I know some of you ungrateful pigs don't understand just how good it is and complain
<purr>
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE actually has only one sperm, but it is very effective
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
very.
<aleXgordoN>
LOL
<purr>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's like the Master Ball
<purr>
<joelteon> he doesn't even know the brilliant math things i have been saying for the past half hour. YOUR LOSS FAGGOT
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
joelteon: brilliant math things
<malia>
ELLIOTTCABLE: sorry for the misunderstanding with some guy cannot remember name who thought I was spamming the book. I mentioned it just really to you--directed remark to you. Thought you would like to know what I had published.
* ELLIOTTCABLE
nods
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not angry at you, at all
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I fell really ill )=
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<purr>
<devyn> nerrrrrrrrrrl
<whitequark>
soooo
<whitequark>
vacuum cleaner is really good at sucking water out of intimate places
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hi, all.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aleXgordoN: what's your timeline, right now?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wish irccloud had a “show the time in this user's timezone” feature.
<aleXgordoN>
whitequark: TMI.
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: /ctcp ELLIOTTCABLE time
<whitequark>
aleXgordoN: I mean out of all the crevices of my CNC
<aleXgordoN>
ELLIOTTCABLE: 3am
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ick
<aleXgordoN>
whitequark: what you do with your girlfriend is your own business
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: only works if their system isn't in GMT
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alex's just reports GMT to me, and I know he's -1
<aleXgordoN>
ELLIOTTCABLE: -1?
<aleXgordoN>
we're on UTC+0 right now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
then ignore me (=
<aleXgordoN>
when the clocks go forward we'll be on UTC+1
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
shows how much I know.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Plugging in a display, and going from HiDPI to standard, is eye-wrenching.
<aleXgordoN>
ELLIOTTCABLE: GMT is greenwich mean time. Greenwich is in london :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it actually makes reading painful. /=
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aleXgordoN: I thought Greenwich was in Sweden or something. :P
<aleXgordoN>
(pronounced gren-itch, not green-witch)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that much I knew.
<aleXgordoN>
ELLIOTTCABLE: now pronounce bicester
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Bichester?”
* ELLIOTTCABLE
shrugs
<purr>
¯\(º_o)/¯
<aleXgordoN>
"bista"
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol english
<purr>
lol
<aleXgordoN>
don't ask.
<whitequark>
oh god my hand is so tired
<aleXgordoN>
whitequark: TMI.
<whitequark>
I really need to automate this
<whitequark>
some kind of hose
<aleXgordoN>
TMI TMITMI
<whitequark>
and a pump
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
omfgtmi
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
GUYS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
FROZEN
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
GODDAMNIT GLOWCOIL WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS CORRECT ABOUT EVERYTHING.
<whitequark>
lesbians?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no, frozen soundtrack
<aleXgordoN>
glowcoil is a lesbian?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or did you mean,
<whitequark>
oh
<whitequark>
I thought
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Why is Micah always right about everything?” “Because lesbians.”
<whitequark>
the movie
<ohhmaar>
lol
<whitequark>
I think Micah mentioned something about the movie and lesbian subtext
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
missed that, then o_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
was there even a female lead that wasn't the main character's sister? no.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so how the fuck lesbian
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
unless he means incestuous lesbian subtext
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
which is *way* more hot
<whitequark>
after kill la kill I won't be surprised
<whitequark>
wait, way more hot?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
dancing at my standing-desk, in front of my wide-open floor-to-ceiling windows
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
to Frozen.
<whitequark>
I agree, but isn't that weird?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I probably look like a nutjob from down on the street.
<whitequark>
you look like a nutjob even from 20,000km
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
weird as in taboo? yes. weird as in actually in any way wrong or negative? no.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
That one time that whitequark satellites.
<whitequark>
well, there *is* the genetics thing
<whitequark>
but otherwise yeah
<whitequark>
I mean, it's weird that you also find lesbian incest hot
<whitequark>
way more hot than regular lesbians are
<whitequark>
aleXgordoN: where's your "TMI" ?
<aleXgordoN>
whitequark: lesbian sex isn't real sex
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Oh, it's clearly wrong in a literal, physical enacting sort of way. As in, literally, genetically a mistake.
* aleXgordoN
runs away
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Just like “BDSM” is terribly fucked-up as a real thing, but extremely hot as a sexual fetish.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“It's not sex if there's no penetration with a penis!”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
So, it's not rape if he just fingers her, aleXgordoN?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
What about gay guys and butts? No penis-in-vagina … but is it still okay, because a penis penetrates something? :P
<aleXgordoN>
[for the record, that was a joke]
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I know, I just enjoy fucking with you.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you shameless troll you.
<reckless>
that was the weirdest captcha
<reckless>
oh dammit I shoulda used my twitter name
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's cool.
<aleXgordoN>
ELLIOTTCABLE: compare and contrast: lesbian sex and foreplay
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it always surprises me to see who already has persistent IRC bouncers, and who actually uses the web chat.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aleXgordoN: because fingering is clearly ‘foreplay.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or oral sex.
<aleXgordoN>
nah oral sex isn't foreplay... is it?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
The “all sex has to end with penetration” is a very childish view. I know plenty of real guys who think that way, and it puzzles me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Hey, quick, talk about PLT before we scare reckless off.
<aleXgordoN>
ELLIOTTCABLE: there's a difference between "end with" and "involve"
<aleXgordoN>
reckless: APPLICATIVE FUNCTORS
<vil>
omfg this is how you welcome a new person
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
vil: This is surprising to you? And you've been around here *how* long?
<vil>
I know I know
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… spherecat767, or what the fuck ever it was
<vil>
I'm feigning surprise to seem like a good person
<aleXgordoN>
damn have I done it again? I'm a fucking liability
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
You're the only *real person* I've ever met who had an Internet handle ending in arbitrary numbers like that.
<vil>
spherecat1 thank you very much
<vil>
it was gmail's fault
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, it was 1, so you must have been the first :P
<vil>
and I was young :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
OKAY BACK TO SPEC WORK
<ohhmaar>
holy shit, ELLIOTTCABLE you weren't kidding when you said all you talk about is sex
* aleXgordoN
commits sepukku before he can scare off any more new people
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
by the way, reckless, you'll get taught Paws if you hang out here long enough.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Be afraid.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Be very afraid.
<vil>
^
<reckless>
I’ll be honest, I’m only here because web chat. I have a mild allergy to IRC.
<reckless>
Paws?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
allergy? you poor thing.
<reckless>
Yeah, I sneeze every time I see a part message.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aleXgordoN: ON THE ORIGINAL TOPIC,
* aleXgordoN
hands reckless a tissue
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aleXgordoN: okay. you'll probably be crashing before I complete anything new, here.
<aleXgordoN>
NO ALEX. BAD ALEX, KEEP IT CLEAN
* reckless
thanks you
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aleXgordoN: but hey, when you wake up, check it, 'k? I'll try really hard to have some new content written by the time you wake up.
<aleXgordoN>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I have an appointment with the finite state machine tomorrow, but sure?
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: "real sex is penetration" could also be something you've been conditioned on.
<whitequark>
kind of not your fault
<whitequark>
anyway
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: valid enough point, I suppose.
<whitequark>
aleXgordoN: my CNC is literally dripping wet right now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
TMI.
<aleXgordoN>
whitequark: got your tube handy?
<whitequark>
though it's mostly accumulated in a kind of sludge all over it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh my fucking god, TMI TMI TMI
<whitequark>
hahahahahaha
<whitequark>
aleXgordoN: tube?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-topic s/.*/a kind of sludge/
purr changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a kind of sludge
<whitequark>
no, I took a 1L bottle
<whitequark>
filled it with a liquid
<whitequark>
and sprayed it all under the endmill
<vil>
"a liquid"
<whitequark>
mostly water
* ELLIOTTCABLE
laughs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
poor ohhmaar.
<reckless>
I feel like there was kind of a bait and switch here
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ohhmaar: Give it time, you learn to tune out the puns and bullshit. (=
<vil>
reckless: that happens
<whitequark>
the best thing is, that is all true in a very literal way
<reckless>
well played, folks
<reckless>
well played
<whitequark>
accurately describing
<vil>
I've been idling in here for like 5 years thanks to that very thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Come for the PLT, stay for the gender dysmorphia”
<reckless>
PLT always sounds like an STD anyway
<vil>
you're going to fit in perfectly
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
reckless: wat.
<purr>
beep.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<alexgordon> micahjohnston: just explain applicative functors and they'll be sure you're 21
<whitequark>
hang on, I'll give you a photo
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<alexgordon> my arse is a abacus
<aleXgordoN>
TIL I talk about applicative functors a lot
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<ec> HD tits are waaaaaay better than SD tits.
<aleXgordoN>
I don't even know what they are
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<joelteon> dude lenses are FUCKING COOL
<aleXgordoN>
-what
<purr>
<jeannicolas> I think it's the dress more than the facial hair
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-find ell.io
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Found: micahjohnston, logs, paws, :d, and fuck you
<whitequark>
it's entirely in line with your expectations
<reckless>
aleXgordoN: we’ve met, then…?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
reckless: yeah, a bit. I also talked to Steve about PLT *a lot* for a while.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
When Paws was a fledgling idea and I had no idea what I was doing.
<reckless>
coooool
<aleXgordoN>
reckless: pretty sure you follow me on twitter
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(As opposed to when Paws was nearly complete, and I *still* had no idea what I'm doing. ;)
<aleXgordoN>
hold on
* aleXgordoN
reveals his true self
aleXgordoN is now known as alexgordon
* ELLIOTTCABLE
GASP
<vil>
HOLY SHIT IT WAS ALEXGORDON
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
THE WHOLE TIME
<alexgordon>
:O
<vil>
but then who is drparse?!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I thought it was the Xgordo Ale brewery
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hold on standing-desk head banging to Knife Party
* ELLIOTTCABLE
headbangs
<reckless>
alexgordon: yes :) but facts ruin jokes.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I need a thing
* ELLIOTTCABLE
orders the thing
<reckless>
ELLIOTTCABLE: per your question, was trying to find a way to get my GitHub contribution graph broken down by lang but then I got bored. So, ObjC.
<alexgordon>
TMI
<reckless>
The Thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mostly ObjC?
<reckless>
By volume, certainly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
FUCKING MIKA
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
reckless: you'll get along with alexgordon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: that's the magic of ELLIOTTCABLE.
<reckless>
ELLIOTTCABLE: you could probably fix that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
reckless: that would take effort, and also the giving of a shit.
<vil>
I have a pretty awesome personal site finally http://vil.lv/
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for instance, I would have to figure out how to SSH into my server.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm not even sure I know how to SSH anymore.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Does one use an interpreter? I remember that being a thing, back when I coded.
<reckless>
no one does, we’re all just faking it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
vil: I just tried to pronounce that URL out loud
<vil>
it's fun, right?
<vil>
:D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and now my tongue is a gyoza lizard.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or perhaps lizard gyoza.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
depends on how you tilt your head.
<vil>
if you mispronounce it sometimes you summon some sort of ancient demon
<reckless>
time to head off and set fire to my cortex
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
reckless: cocaine?
<reckless>
s’been real, folks
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
reckless: have a good weekend. <3
<vil>
o7
<reckless>
psh, papers
<reckless>
\o
<reckless>
(you too!)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
current status: ancient demon in my living room
<vil>
shit this paper is due soon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
upcoming status: running
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<vil>
brb
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
runnin' her hands through my fro,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bouncin' on twento-fo's,
<ohhmaar>
you guys watch any tv shows?
* whitequark
grins
<whitequark>
kill la kill
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ohhmaar: all of them
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that's a lie
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
all of them except The Office because that's dumb
<ohhmaar>
please tell me you didnt say that...
<alexgordon>
ohhmaar: I can confirm that I watch TV shows
<alexgordon>
though not on a TV
<alexgordon>
TVs are for the news
<alexgordon>
computers are for TV shows
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't have a TV
<ohhmaar>
what's a tv
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that's a lie
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
god damnit Monoprice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
who even NEEDS seventy-five feet of headphone cable
<ohhmaar>
ELLIOTTCABLE do you really hate the office?
* alexgordon
has never seen either Office
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, thoroughly hate it. one of my least-liked shows.
<ohhmaar>
do you work in an office alexgordon?
<alexgordon>
ohhmaar: no
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
according to hulu.com/grid?name=shows-you-watch&58661a1h8h5,
<alexgordon>
ohhmaar: I saw that clip of the american office that steve jobs shows when he was showing ipods or something
<alexgordon>
that's it
<alexgordon>
*showed
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I watch a lot of: Leverage, TNG, Castle, Community, Enlisted, New Girl, Crisis, Ugly Betty, Doctor Who, Blacklist, Endgame, The Awesomes, Misfits, Once Upon a Time, Farscape, Fresh meat, The Wrong Mans (OMGOMGOMGOMG), Heroes, Agents of Shield …
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Add-on Items ship with orders that contain $25 of items shipped by Amazon. Your Cart currently contains $24.60 of items shipped by Amazon. If you check out now, your Add-on Item will be saved for later.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh god damnit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what can I order that is 40 cents
* ELLIOTTCABLE
searches for 40-cent novelty dildos
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: it would have to be a very small dildo
<ohhmaar>
lol
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not necessarily
* alexgordon
imagines a keyring dildo
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that jelly shit is *cheap*
<alexgordon>
wonder what the cheapest thing on amazon is
<purr>
Let it be known that ELLIOTTCABLE loves ohhmaar.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for the Frozen reference
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whitequark: only 500$? wow. mind blown.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you know you're getting drunk when this happens:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
> p[wdpwd
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
zsh: bad pattern: p[wdpwd
<whitequark>
ELLIOTTCABLE: and half of that is international shipping
<whitequark>
"free"
<ohhmaar>
alright peace out everyone.
<whitequark>
also yeah I don't like buying expensive shit
<whitequark>
and this one still has cast iron frame so it's amazing as a machine
<whitequark>
and none of the <$10k ones have good controllers anyway, and even some >$10k ones have it shit too
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-learn spec =~ s/ihQzs/spec/
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Changed `spec` to: Paws' half-arsed Version 10 specification <http://ell.io/spec>
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ohhmaar: sleepin'?
<ohhmaar>
yep. i know its only 12 am
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
noob.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hey.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hit me up if you're taking the Metra in, some time, let's grab a coffee or sommat.
<ohhmaar>
i usually stay up longer but gotta help family members move
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
either that or go get *smashed*. You know, I'm down for whatever.
<ohhmaar>
yea definitely we'll plan it out some time
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-o7 @ ohhmaar
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
is that not a thing how is that not a thing after goddamn seven years
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-find bye
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so long you fucks
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-find o7
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Found: fistpump, exasperation, grenades, and sevens
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-fistpump
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: 7o7 FISTPUMP
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat no wrong that's wrong
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-factoid fistpump
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Popularity: 3, last changed by: <unknown>, <unknown time> ago
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-grenades
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: 7o7 FIRE IN THE HOLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-sevens
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: 7o7 my arms are made of sevens.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
…
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… … …
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I fucking love you guys.
<gq>
dammit
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i was like WELL I GUESS I COULD GO TO CHICAGO I DON'T WORK and d was like YOU DO NOT GET TO GO TO CHICAGO WITHOUT ME
* gq
sulks
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
LOL
<purr>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hey. no threesomes guaranteed.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
BUT
<gq>
hahaha i really doubt that's what he was thinking of
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lots of drinking, absolutely is.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I doubt your doubt is accurate because I'm pretty sure 90% of what D thinks about is a threesome with me. #egotist
<gq>
god i wish he was that gay
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
let me know when you guys can get a weekend free. I might drive over, or fly you over here, or something else awesome. I miss you fucks.
<gq>
i promise not to get drunk/high and fuck him in th ebathroom
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
god DAMNIT
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
god DAMNIT why did you remind me about that god DAMNIT
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also that's totally cool if you do
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you aren't my goddamn ex, and he's not my goddamn OTHER ex's roommate,
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: we usually have the week middles free, actually. he works weekends and usually has mon-wed/thurs or so off with this current job
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
er, wait,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
whatever.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: lol like you wouldn't be listening at the door if i did, ya creep
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
LEARN
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
TO
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
GODDAMN
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
PROGRAM
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
AND MAKE SOMETHING WITH ME
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what, is that a problem?
<gq>
no
<gq>
xP
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
derp
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I am quite drunk off of one beer
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I am a bad person
<gq>
one beer? nice
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and it's basically a session beer, at only 6% ಠ_ಠ
<gq>
even d usuallly needs two
<gq>
(d drank an entire bottle of mead on new years and got super fucked up, it was hilarious)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
jesus.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
please hold while I shit myself.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I have combination coffee-shits and beer-shits
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
because I've had a substantial quantity of both in the last half hour.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
berb.
<gq>
lel
<gq>
whitequark: anyway your CNC seems cool, i'm just a little ??? at what you would use it for?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
he said the same thing to me about my still-non-goddamn-existent 3D printer. ಠ_ಠ
<purr>
Let it be known that ELLIOTTCABLE is indifferent to ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
shaddthefuckup purr
<gq>
heh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
woah
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I sat down on the floor to fuck around with my dogs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and standing up was mildly difficult
<gq>
lol
<purr>
lol
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<whitequark>
gq: milling material.
<whitequark>
manufacturing stuff.
<whitequark>
I sometimes drill PCBs with it. I repaired my laptop with it.
<whitequark>
right now I'm assembling a box for soaking the aforementioned PCBs in.
<whitequark>
there's like five of them and hardkernel (samsung actually) can't be arsed making five distinct devboards
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol
<whitequark>
hardkernel = samsung
<whitequark>
essentially
<whitequark>
eligrey: x2 is boring
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what on earth is the *purpose* of that
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<whitequark>
of what?
<whitequark>
x2? or a4?
<whitequark>
well anyway, devboards are evaluation kits for socs
<whitequark>
you want to build something using a soc
<whitequark>
but building a board around a soc can be a LONG process
<eligrey>
whitequark: it was their best version at the time
<whitequark>
and usually you can't easily make prototypes anyway
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
er, any of the above?
<whitequark>
because say you can't order less than 10k chips (the raspberry pi bane)
<eligrey>
btw odroid x2 isnt a devboard
<eligrey>
you can make and resell products that just have an x2 in them
<eligrey>
the jetson tk1 is dev-only due to the no redistribution
<whitequark>
so you order a devboard and wire-wrap your future product around it
<whitequark>
like that apple pic you posted earlier
<whitequark>
then you squish that into a fancy case
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
shit.
<whitequark>
what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can't remember what the call-pattern staging was.
<whitequark>
did you even listen
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“wire wrap?”
<eligrey>
this is what i want to make: jetson tk2 (attached to the rift top or on the back strap) + oculus rift consumer version + leap motion attached to the rift front
<eligrey>
VR AIO
<whitequark>
use a lot of wires for connection, as opposed to a PCB or a set of flat ribbon cables
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Nice.
<whitequark>
either of which is much more complex to manufacture
<whitequark>
wire wrapping, you can do yourself with a soldering iron and some cursing
<whitequark>
usually
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gotcha
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
need subs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
why is it 12:30 on a Thursday night
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
instead of, say, 8PM on a Friday
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so I can fucking *bump*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
needwantneedwantneedwant
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm bass-horny. it won't go away.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: where'd you go.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i'm still here you lot are just talking about boring shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
SAWWY
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
SEX SEX SEX SUBWOOFERS SEX
<gq>
lol bump. i was like OMG ARE YOU DOING COKE?
<purr>
lol
<gq>
nope.jpg
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's intriguing, how much my musical taste changes when my subwoofer is disconnected,
<whitequark>
wobwobwob
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then again, when I'm listening on laptop speakers instead of a subwoofer-less but still hi-fi sound-system
<gq>
god fuck laptop speakers
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
there's ‘shite’ music I wouldn't ever admit to listening to, that I totally let play without skipping when I'm just on my laptop speakers
<whitequark>
ux32vd has moderately passable laptop speakers
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but that gets insta-skipped when I'm connected to a hi-fi system or wearing headphones
<whitequark>
like they're not good
<whitequark>
but they don't make you puke either
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then there's delicious, spectacular bass-tracks that I also skip over instantly when I've not got a sub, because it just sounds like terrible music without subwoofers.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah, ditto my Macbook speakers. They're surprisingly passable for how small that hardware must be.
<eligrey>
Also have you listened to it high with headphones for the spacial stuff
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wassat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat the fuck
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't do drugs, broskifucktard
<eligrey>
Minus the high part
<eligrey>
Yeah I know
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, neither have I heard of that album :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what artist?
<eligrey>
Kettel
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ah, haven't listened to them since last time you introduced me
<eligrey>
I got flacs if you need em but I'm on my phone atm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol no thanks.
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I Spotify, bro. Me and high-quality music files aren't currently a thing.
<eligrey>
I think sorry but we don't hear you is the best track of the album
<eligrey>
If you did do drugs specifically marijuana this album is an interesting experience
<gq>
i love how ELLIOTTCABLE's initial reaction is I DON'T DO DRUGS and eligrey's like not drugs, music!
<gq>
....but it all loops back to drugs in the end~
* ELLIOTTCABLE
sighs
* gq
giggles
<eligrey>
Btw I never smoke
<eligrey>
Health conscious
<gq>
oh yeah, eligrey? how do you do it, then?
<gq>
edibles only, i'm putting money on it.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
can we please, not?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just do me the favour.
* gq
throws marijuana at ELLIOTTCABLE
* ELLIOTTCABLE
sighs
<eligrey>
When you vape you get a golden compound that you can put in peanut butter
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
why are all my acquaintances fucktards.
<eligrey>
Instant edibles
<gq>
last time i was on mj i stole someone's housekeys 'cos i was paranoid he'd try to drive
<gq>
*drive drunk, that is
<eligrey>
I mean as a result of vaping herb
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: rude
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: is it on Spotify
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
most likely, I don't know. Watching TV, not listening to music at the moment
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
TV and working on the specification
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: what kind of tv?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Leverage
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's one of my old favorites; Hulu suddenly dropped three new seasons of it on me
<eligrey>
Have you seen how you can just classify [x] in woman
<eligrey>
Wolfram language
<eligrey>
Hit enter instead of backspace
eligrey is now known as eligrey-phone
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what?
<eligrey-phone>
Have you seen the central wolfram language library page?
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nope
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but, definitely don't care right now. like I said, busy.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ew
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
black IPAs are even worse than white IPAs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't even understand how that is possible.
<gq>
i keep saying
<gq>
IPAs
<gq>
they suck
<gq>
i'm sorry
<gq>
it's the truth
* ELLIOTTCABLE
pats gq
* gq
bites ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
What about belgians?
<gq>
meh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hey now, I'm not quite drunk enough yet
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wink wink something wink
<gq>
okay to be honest part of the problem is i don't have the fucking money to like
<gq>
buyasd;lifya;soifdya;lsyidf
<gq>
WINKING
<gq>
STOP
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, I was asked to give a talk about Paws
<gq>
OH MY GOD (i am drunk enough for that) ANYWAY
* ELLIOTTCABLE
laughs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
stop what? :D
<gq>
shurrup. anyway. talk. PAWS.
<gq>
yes?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the money to like what?
<gq>
a) who asked you this
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and why do I have to stop winking
<gq>
b) did they know what they just got themselves into
<gq>
to buy like 50 kinds of beers to find out if i like them or not
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
A) kept anonymous for the sake of the innocent,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
B) no.
<gq>
lol. poor stupid fuckers.
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I had 25 kinds this past weekend.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for, iirc, thirty bucks. or sommat.
<gq>
purr: I WILL.FUCKING IKASLDIFY ASDF YOU KILEL YOU
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
best thing.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: well aren't you fancy.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yes!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I am!
<gq>
heh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I am buying victorian clothes 'cuz dad!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
In fact, I got introduced as “dashing!”
<gq>
haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
er, not dashing, wassit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
DAPPER
<gq>
dashing, dapper, w/e
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the three biggest compliments I've received in the past year: Having an ex describe me to one of her friends who hadn't met me, when I wasn't around, as ‘dapper.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
being told “You are *the most interesting person* I've ever met,”
<gq>
see, i describe you to people who don't know you as 'fucking insane'
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and alexgordon's “100% intense” monologue.
<gq>
and 'you don't understand if you don't know him'
<gq>
to which people laugh and go 'okay'
<gq>
then they meet or encounter you and are like 'you were right. holy shit. what the fuck.'
* ELLIOTTCABLE
smiles
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
thanks, I appreciate the compliment.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
favperson <3
<gq>
hehe
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so close
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so very close
<glowcoil>
oh my fucking god you still think java is a really good sandwich alexgordon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: wat.
<glowcoil>
i've been trying for *hours* to get A FUCKING APPLET RUNNNING
<purr>
beep.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
god damnit
<glowcoil>
THIS IS *LITERALLY* THE WORST THINGS
<glowcoil>
I HAVE EVER DEALT WITH
<glowcoil>
ON A COMPUTER
<glowcoil>
*COMPLETELY* FUCKING UNNECESSARY
* ELLIOTTCABLE
laughs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Java pissed glowcoil off.
<glowcoil>
like no part of this ordeal is necessary
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Surprise, surprise. ;)
<glowcoil>
so much FUCKING bullshit
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE, whitequark: ... i never once mentioned lesbianism in the context of frozen
<gq>
glowcoil: .....i must have missed this conversation. wut.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: right!? I was equally lost.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I LOVE CHERUB SO MUCH
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: also amirite frozen soundtrack
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mostly when slightly inebriated
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: YESYEYES
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: Cherub? yesnomaybe?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: fuck ME I have made so much goddamn progress on this spec in the last 24 hours.
<glowcoil>
god i love it so much
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've been on such a roll. Holy crap.
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: cherub?
<glowcoil>
gq: whitequark was just making things up
<glowcoil>
gq: slander
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I re-wrote almost *everything* already there, to be at least 50% more understandable and less Elliottified,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and have already further completed about half of the remaining #INCOMPLETE sections
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Cherub!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you still Spotify?
<glowcoil>
swallowing my pride and installing eclipse
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and I just generally don't listen to unpopular music )'=
<gq>
glowcoil: i just know lots of crazy conservatives have decided that since anna had ice powers & didn't immediately glom onto hans she must be a LESBIAN. so OMG GAY NO NO NO NO GAYS NOOOOOOOOOO
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
my own loss, I know
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
too lazy.
<gq>
glowcoil: so i'm like. you are not a crazy conservative. all of my wut.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, I forgot
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
there WAS a huge gay controversy surrounding Frozen
<gq>
yep
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
forgot about that
<gq>
i mean musta not been that huge
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ice powers? don't recall that part
<glowcoil>
*every* 3d animated movei of the last 10 years
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY GLOQCOIL
<gq>
my parents bought frozen for my 15 year old bnaasodiyfa;oisdyf;aois yfd ARE YOU SERIOUS ELLIOTTCABLE
<glowcoil>
has had a homsexuality controvesry
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I DIDDDDDD THIIIIIINGS UGH
<gq>
oh my actual god
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I DID I DID I DID
<gq>
anyway my parents bought it for my sister so idk
<gq>
my parents are pretty nuts so if they dont' freak out about something
<gq>
i'm like well dang that controversy must have REALLY been fringe
<glowcoil>
but yeah i find a lot of personal parallels between leaving religion/mormonism and both the tangled/frozen things
<glowcoil>
as well as toy story
<glowcoil>
:p
<glowcoil>
(buzz lightyeear)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol
<purr>
lol
<glowcoil>
fully aware that that's wanky
<glowcoil>
just some personal meaning i find
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
still some of my favorite code that I've ever written:
<glowcoil>
yeah this, right now, is making me *seriously* want to completely give up on a cs degree
<glowcoil>
and just do math
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
'cuz they make you Java.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Welcome to **EXACTLY** what happened to me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Just sayin'.
<gq>
glowcoil: consider how much money they will pay you and think again
<gq>
glowcoil: as opposed to how much money ELLIOTTCABLE has because he was born into it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
People hear me say that, and go ‘he must really not have much patience for boring classes’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but what *really* happened, is that JAVA IS *LITERALLY* EVIL.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: more like must not have much patience for useless clases
<gq>
*classes
<glowcoil>
like so, so, so many man-hours went into this non-native widget library for eclipse
<glowcoil>
that feels subtly wrong in every way possible
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I just realized the dumbest thing:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I have no idea what *happens* to the result of a combination, in Paws.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, it *works,* somewhere in the code for one of my three implementations, I do something with it.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
But I just can't remember.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
And my documentation / specification don't actually *say* or *seem to care*. Which is impossible.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Hugely fundamental omission :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ah, figured that out
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
was being dumb, *Paws* doesn't do *anything* with the results. The results of a combination are not its business, that's left up to the receivers.
<glowcoil>
i am going to fucking kill myself
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
over Java? what a waste.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
when you could build the next Java replacement, instead. <3
<glowcoil>
no i literally never want to program again
<glowcoil>
done with this shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm sorry glowcoil )'=
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I know that feeling so hard.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm … rather sick at heart, that I'm back on the computer right now *at all*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm only here to combat loneliness and depression at the moment, straight-up. I *understand how much this shit sucks*. /=
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<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: :c
<glowcoil>
honestly i think my interests have shifted entirely
<glowcoil>
from pure cs stuff to
<glowcoil>
pure math, and math/cs applied to art like games and music
<glowcoil>
like i'm really really interested in hand writing some dsp stuff and music theory stuff to fuck around with procedural music
<glowcoil>
i feel like language design was a really harmful mindset for me
<glowcoil>
like, i got all utopian
<glowcoil>
i want to just accept that things are shit, choose the least shit things
<glowcoil>
and make cool things out of them
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
interesting.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
opposite. I want to improve life for people, U/X is my only real care.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
It's the only thing that calls me back to C.S.
<glowcoil>
mhm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's an interesting thing: we care about the same thing, beautiful product
<glowcoil>
it's hard for me to get that deep excitement for that
<glowcoil>
that i have for like making art things, and for pure math
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but the *people* I want to produce for, kind of require me to care about the stupid shit, and kind of require you to ignore the stupid shit.
<glowcoil>
yeah
<glowcoil>
man i really want some audio hardware to fuck around with
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
this shit is sixteen *pages* long. ಠ_ಠ
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and there's whole sections unwritten, at least another four pages' worth, I'd guess.
<glowcoil>
wow
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
if this isn't verbose and specific enough, fuck me, fuck everything
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Disney music :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Thanks, Spotify
<glowcoil>
ya
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: wicked is coming to slc this summer
<glowcoil>
<3
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
seen it yet? it's goddamn spectacular.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
FUCK YOU GOOGLE DOCS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Reconnecting”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or rather, ‘Fuck you, my WiFi’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as whitequark nailed it down for me
<glowcoil>
have not seen
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
doitdoitdoitdoit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what sort of audio hardware do you want?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm still on a hardware-high over my workspace, although being me, I immediately put that entire project on hold to work on this dumb-ass spec.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
keep glancing over there longingly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
>,>
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
smell of solder. static-band on my wrist, having NO IDEA what I'm doing again, for the first time in years.
<glowcoil>
hmmmmmm i mean like, the thing that's top on my list is just like a mic
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“You can also singlehandedly thank Beastie Boy's album "Paul's Boutique" for bringing us the sample copyright laws we have now. They got sued by everyone (Jimmy Page, ACDC, you name it) due to all the uncredited samples they used on that album.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that is the coolest thing I have ever seen.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what're you up to
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
talk to me nigger-genitals
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wow, that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
is the most racist that word has ever sounded to me.
<prophile>
hah
<prophile>
I'm slogging through the last stretch of my degree
<prophile>
it involves... proofs
<prophile>
which are INCREDIBLY TEDIOUS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
incredibly tedious, eh?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
computer science™
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wheehoooo.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can't remember, are you in for a PhD?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what did you end up doing your thesis about?
<prophile>
despite goading from many sides, no
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hm?
<prophile>
everyone seems to want me to do a phd
<prophile>
but this is just the end of my bachelors' degree
<prophile>
my thesis - as it is - is on functional reactive programming without glitches
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glitches?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and I wasn't even aware that a bachelor's involved a thesis o_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
thought that was masters or PhD material.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
meh what do I know, I've dropped out three or four times. can't even remember.
<prophile>
hah
<prophile>
well, it changes across the world
<prophile>
even across universities
<prophile>
most of the UK involves a thesis or a dissertation for a bachelors' degree
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
interesting.
<prophile>
glitches are an interesting situation which arises out of FRP where A and not A can be true
<prophile>
it's quite interesting
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
don't bother, because I don't even understand functional programming.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm this far in, and I never goddamned grokked functional programming.
<prophile>
functional programming is easy
<prophile>
you just get rid of everything that isn't a function
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
forgive me:
<prophile>
you are forgiven, my child
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
*declarative* functional programming, à la Haskell.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as for it being easy,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
people keep saying that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but people also keep telling alexgordon that *Paws* is easy, and he hasn't been able to wrap his head around it yet. :P
<prophile>
hah
<prophile>
paws is complicated
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Haskell is my Paws. I try, and try, and try, and just *can't*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
dirty filthy lies, Paws is ridiculously simple
<prophile>
what is it you don't grok?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, the project isn't, but the core language that I'm talking about here and comparing to Haskell / alexgordon, definitely is.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
simpler than Io or Scheme, even.
<prophile>
do you still have... noughties, or whatever they were called?
<prophile>
the mysterious metadata thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Haskell? I don't have a specific thing, I just get really really confused, really really fast, when I try to follow any of the tutorials or books I've been through.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
A) unimportant, B) yes, and C) no.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
they're still a concept involved in the project, yes.
<prophile>
see, that's most definitely Hax
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
there's nothing related to them, except a conspicuous hole in the design left there by intention, in the specification.
<prophile>
k
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and most importantly, the answer to that question is unimportant to the specification, also by design (=
<prophile>
I could teach you haskell
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that'd be rather neat. Another time when I'm not marathoning a re-write of the spec?
<prophile>
sounds like a plan
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
speaking of which, you should let me steal some of your time to review this for me, and maybe write Yet Another Tiny Paws to verify that I'm not insane, this weekend or next week
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
maybe when your brain isn't bent by proofs.
<prophile>
my brain isn't THAT bent
<prophile>
I just booted completely the wrong VM
<prophile>
scratch that
<prophile>
my brain is basically a dali painting
* ELLIOTTCABLE
laughs
<glowcoil>
prophile: oh like the whole not-synchronous updates thing?
<glowcoil>
prophile: f(x, !x) where the two xs get updated at different times?
<prophile>
more or less, yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so. sleepy.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wtf you doing awake, glowcoil?
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i'm so sleepy too but
<glowcoil>
sleep is not an option
<glowcoil>
5 hrs till midterm
<glowcoil>
and 7 hrs till project due
<glowcoil>
:(
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh gods
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
work well, bro. |=
<prophile>
:(
<glowcoil>
ewww i'm the sick kind of hungry
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
eww >:
<glowcoil>
where eating any more food would make me throw up but lack of eating is making me feel sick
<prophile>
the one where you're hankering after human flesh?
<prophile>
oh
<glowcoil>
prophile: exactly!
<prophile>
:(
<glowcoil>
didn't want to say it
<glowcoil>
thx for the sympathyfrowns guys
<glowcoil>
i hope i can stay alive
<glowcoil>
:p
<prophile>
DRINK COFFEE
<prophile>
LIVE FOREVER
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
don't eat the brain
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I ran out of coffee and started on beer
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
then I ran out of beer and started on soda
<glowcoil>
haha i would be drinking coffee but i think i would puke
<glowcoil>
ugggggh this cs assginment should be done
<glowcoil>
it's now very easy
<glowcoil>
now that i've sorted out compiling and running
<prophile>
what's the assignment
<prophile>
and why aren't you doing it in haskell
<glowcoil>
prophile: required to use java
<prophile>
idris compiles to java
<glowcoil>
prophile: recreate a stupid ass game that we have an executable of for reference
<glowcoil>
haha ok should'lve used idris
<prophile>
i've been playing with jasmin recently
<prophile>
it's pretty neat
<glowcoil>
we have to turn in the source code
<prophile>
well, that's easy enough
<glowcoil>
oh hahah
<prophile>
you compile to the JVM then decompile it with JD :D
<glowcoil>
hahaha
<glowcoil>
we also get points for commenting, and "elegance"
<glowcoil>
so
<glowcoil>
uggggh this is so bad
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I wiped out all of my Airport base-stations, wiped out my network settings.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Set them all to the most basic, idiot-proof auto-configured shit.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Let's see if this makes my network more reliable. Maybe I mis-configured something once.
* ELLIOTTCABLE
reminds himself
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
small bites.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
small bites, elliott.
* ELLIOTTCABLE
sighs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Just got my dog chasing her tail. Most. Adorable. Thing.
<glowcoil>
FUCK
<glowcoil>
i am panicking now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bro. Calm down. You'll do fine. You're smart, did you go to the classes?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Feeling more awake, more productive. Amazing. All-nighters are weird.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Fuck that, brains are weird *in the general case.*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: probably a useless thought, but is there any way I can help you? /=
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i doubt it :/ thanks tho
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
roll hard
<glowcoil>
yeah all nighters are weird
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
/nick pimpcoil
<glowcoil>
i've slept very little the past couple days
<glowcoil>
lololol
<purr>
lololol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fuck 'em wit' yer Vans on.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
#earlymorningbump
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
The subject of when to turn the subwoofers *off* at night is fairly well-explored, socially … but what time in the morning is it acceptable to turn them *on*?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, am I really an asshole if I *help* my neighbors wake up for work? :P
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<glowcoil>
hahah
<glowcoil>
yeah
<glowcoil>
tough question
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
That's okay, King of Anything just came on, and now I'm losing my shit in happies, *without* any bump.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
;)
<glowcoil>
my wallmate is an asshole about loud music, constantly complains when it's coming from an entirely diffferent direction, and plays loud music i can hear probably more than he hears mine
<glowcoil>
haha i love that song
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
stop listening to me in IRC and go get some cramming in.
<glowcoil>
ok
<glowcoil>
this is having really like
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
o7
<glowcoil>
hard to fix bugs tho
<glowcoil>
it's really bad
<glowcoil>
:/
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ugh.
<glowcoil>
anyway focus time
<glowcoil>
o7
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fuck the assignment and study for the test?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
go go gadget glowgoil.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowdoyle.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowboil. (ew.)
<glowcoil>
lol
<purr>
lol
<glowcoil>
what the FCUIK
<glowcoil>
i'm printing out
<glowcoil>
the thing i'm adding to x every step
<glowcoil>
and it's fucking 0
<glowcoil>
but the thing is moving
<glowcoil>
like
<glowcoil>
what
<glowcoil>
the
<glowcoil>
fuck
<glowcoil>
things are happening that are literally not possible
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that is not true
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you just have an insufficient understanding of the (unnecessarily) complex interactions between whatever debugging system is being exposed, and your code inside the runtime, clearly :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
#helpfulelliott
<glowcoil>
ok fixed
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: lul ya
<glowcoil>
the problem was
<glowcoil>
the beginning of the print logs was gone
<glowcoil>
out of the buffer
<glowcoil>
and, the very very first value of dt was *huge*
<purr\Paws>
[Issues] ELLIOTTCABLE opened issue #10: An execution can't absolve responsibility for a *sub-graph* of its responsibility https://github.com/Paws/Issues/issues/10
<purr\Paws>
[Issues] ELLIOTTCABLE opened issue #11: There isn't a sane return-value for charge() … and there really shouldn't be https://github.com/Paws/Issues/issues/11
<purr>
<elliottcable> This is Red Primary; shit's gone recursive down here on the ground. Can we get some garbage-collector support in here?
<glowcoil>
helllll yes
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Holy crapfuck, man.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
This is a real thing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Like, a real, complete, thing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, far from complete. But it's internally whole, I suppose. Complete at this level of completion. Or something.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
WHATEVER PAWS IS DONE BYE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-spec @ everybody
<purr>
everybody: Paws' half-arsed Version 10 specification <http://ell.io/spec>
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-bye @ everybody
<purr>
everybody: so long you fucks
* ELLIOTTCABLE
drops mic, walks off stage, climbs into bed
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<purr>
<alexgordon> glowcoil: java is the good sandwich that my future wife will make for me when we're both in heaven after jesus has come back and collected us in his minibus
<glowcoil>
i am going to fucking murder alexgordon the moment he sets foot in this channel again
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: LOL
<purr>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
purr, your timing is impeccable, as always.
<glowcoil>
ok 90% done with CS
<glowcoil>
got my equation sheet done for physics, feeling like I know enough from AP physics that this will not be scary
<glowcoil>
I'll probably swing a solid B at *least*, and judging by what happened last semester getting a solid B according to the syllabus means I will get an A
<glowcoil>
CS is either A- or A hopefully
<glowcoil>
survey of jazz is a bullshit easy A
<glowcoil>
math is crusin for a A
<glowcoil>
my scholarships are safe
<yorick>
glowcoil: sane grades pls, 1-10 only
<glowcoil>
time to get a shit ton of caffeine
<glowcoil>
yorick: where is that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
rf: you listening in here?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
rf: or is that bouncer done?
<yorick>
glowcoil: literally everywhere but the USA
<glowcoil>
i know france is 1-20
<yorick>
and france, fuck france :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
1-10, who does that
<glowcoil>
lol i could probably wikipedia for example after example of non-1-10
<purr>
lol
<glowcoil>
these are all arbitrary scales and calling one of them sane is Losing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm a unit-sanity nut, but even *I* have never seen grades conveyed as anything except A:90+, B:80+, C:70+, D:60+, failure:59-
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
DISAGREE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anything base-ten is Sane
<glowcoil>
ten is your fucking fingers
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anything based on a basic unit of human-perception is Sane
<glowcoil>
we beat it into our heads and write in its base
<glowcoil>
so it becomes easy to think in but
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anything based on a unit of human-perception, and conveyed in multiples of ten, is Sane
<glowcoil>
I don't think it's saner than anything else
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… that's clearly not true
<glowcoil>
well yeah if it's perception stuff
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
by definition, doing the intuitive, easy thing is ‘sane’
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: if we grew up in base 12 etc.etc.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah, tests are set like '80% is 6' and calculated from there, where 6 or higher is 'not fail'
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
doing an unintuitive, difficult thing is ‘insane’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
agreed that ABCDF is insane, by the way
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just had never *heard* of 1-10 actually being used.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wait wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
80% is 6
<glowcoil>
curves
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not only does it use the digits 1 to 10, but it's **not actually base ten**!?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that's … the least sane thing I've ever heard.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: it is
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anyway, NOT MY PROBLEM, THANK GOD
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: 0-6 are easier to get than 6-10
<joelteon>
10 isn't a digit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't make scales (well, except UJD.) I just use 'em.
<yorick>
joelteon: it's 100% perfect
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yahyahyahyah anyway
<yorick>
wait, what, everything over 8 is A? silly americans, how are you supposed to differentiate 100% from 99%
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
80%? what? no, everything over 90%.
<joelteon>
who uses letter grades anymore?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
again, everywhere I've ever seen. Wow, this is making me feel out-of-the-loop.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah, 8 is more like 90% on the grading curve
<yorick>
(assuming 80%=pass)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and 9?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anything over 59% is technically a pass, here.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
depends on the definition of pass, though.
<yorick>
10=100%, 6=80%, go calculate things
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
can certainly lose scholarships, or be removed from programs, or whatever, for grades under, say, C-average, or D-average.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but still, only F, below 60%, is technical a failure.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yorick: forgive me for not growing up somewhere where I was expected to calculate bell-curves in my head?
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: we have gradations of failure :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I literally have no idea how to get the value for a “9” out of what you just told me, without asking Wolfram Alpha.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: it's mostly not a bell curve, they just subtract failures*dificulty from 10 and anything under 1 is rounded up
<joelteon>
that's dumb
<yorick>
some teachers do bell curves, too, but those are rare
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
failures times difficulty?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“failures” being a measure of what? the failure grade? I don't get it :x
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: say they set the norm to '80% = pass', then they count the number of points you can get on a test
<audy>
maybe facebook will give out free oculus rifts
<audy>
like those green stick things in batman returns
<yorick>
so if there are 20 points on a test, then every error is one point down from 10
<audy>
then I can jailbreak one
<yorick>
audy: with a huge facebook logo on it and ads everywhere
<audy>
yorick it would be cool if it looked like a book
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
audy!
<audy>
ELLIOTTCABLE!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
audy, I need some eyes, and a brain. Do you have both?
<yorick>
"The grades 9 and 10 are hardly ever given on large examinations (on average, a 9 is awarded in only 1.5%, and a 10 in 0.5% of the cases)."
<audy>
ELLIOTTCABLE for what
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
audy: proofread and sanity-check my work. I just finished the first Paws specification.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: meh, google quic spec is better
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lolthx
<purr>
lolthx
<audy>
will have a look ELLIOTTCABLE
<audy>
in chemistry class learning about heisenberg
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
doing some formatting clean-up, because I'm amazingly still awake
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: also urbit specification is better :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I am familiar with neither; and making the ‘best’ spec ever, by some strange metric, is not my goal at the moment. :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
point is, can you read it, and build a Paws, or not?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm trying to figure out if I missed anything. ugh.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: seems like you have lots of interpreter details and not very much actual language semantics
<yorick>
why are all your language concepts interfaces?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've never written a spec before. When I started, I copied a lot of the formatting, style, the whole ‘approach’ from the specifications I admired:
<yorick>
ES3?!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
referenced the R5RS, and ECMAScript 5 specs a lot; as well as (iirc) the SVG or HTML5 one, can't remember which.
<yorick>
heh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and that's not the language concepts, that's just the *types*. Semantics that aren't easiest-conveyed as types are down below.
<yorick>
it could be that I've never heard of Paws but I still have no idea what it is :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
important note: I'm super-aware that this entire document is verrrrrrrry heavy on the implementation-details. But that's, again, because I'm not a spec-writer, I'm a programmer, writing his first spec; huge quantities of this were derived by opening one of the various codebases implementing the concepts, and working back-and-forth from the codebase to the
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
document.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yorick: hm?
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: it's a language, okay, with a java-like VM
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
another thing this document isn't here to do.
<yorick>
do you have a document that does that anywhere?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Presumably anybody reading it is A) somebody I've already explained Paws to, at a high level (of course including the purposes or benefits thereof), or B) someone who already *uses* Paws, and wants to learn how the Paws machines evaluating their code work.
<yorickpeterse>
que?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh gods, several, but … all out of date, and all *much* larger in scope than the specification there.
<yorick>
yorickpeterse: fix your hilights already :D
<yorick>
-spec @ yorickpeterse // we'r reading this
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
As the first two pages say, that spec focuses myopically on one tiny part of “what Paws is.” a Nuclear machine. Most any other document I can dredge up, or conversation from IRC, is going to cover a bunch of shit largely irrelevant to that spec.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
BUT LEMME SEE WAT I CAN FIND
<yorick>
well, fuck you too purr
<yorick>
-spec @ yorickpeterse
<purr>
yorickpeterse: Paws' Version 10 specification <http://ell.io/spec>
<yorick>
ah, so it can do it :)
<yorick>
we'r reading that
<yorick>
EC ported his software to english
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lessee
<yorickpeterse>
I TRIED FIXING MY HIGHLIGHTS
<yorickpeterse>
it no work
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“code” examples, very relevant, because they're written in the ‘intermediate form’ that a machine following that specification will evaluate:
<yorickpeterse>
yorick: nfi, it shouldn't even do it anymore since I disabled that ages ago
<yorick>
neoreactionary programming :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, yorick, familiar
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
was making fun of it with whitequark last night
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
forgot it was called that.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: their VM is brainfuck, but with numbers, and they optimize it by compiling things to specified code patterns which the interpreter detects and substitutes optimized code for
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yes, I know
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
looked into it briefly a while back
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, I know I'm batshit. I accepted that a long, long time ago. But at least I'm not *Urbit*-batshit.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
especially when ‘history’ is from a couple months ago.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, in this case, a couple years. But whatever.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wow. Coproductive parameterization is from early 2011? Thought it was later than that.
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<ohhmaar>
ELLIOTTCABLE did you sleep at all?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Sleep is for people without programming-languages to develop.
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* ELLIOTTCABLE
grins spastically
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: DID YOU ALREADY TAKE YOUR TEST
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
OR IS MY TIMELINE OFF
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I TOOK IT
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I DEFINITELY GOT AT LEAST A SOLID B
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
See? Told you you'd nail it.
<glowcoil>
CURRENTLY CRUNCHING TO FINISH CS PROJECT IN AN HOUR AND 7 MIN
<glowcoil>
:P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I finished Paws while you were away. So that's cool.
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: thx <3
<glowcoil>
i saw messages!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Go finish your project and then come implement Paws. <3
<glowcoil>
and i have the spec open
<glowcoil>
ok <3
<glowcoil>
first slep
<glowcoil>
haha
<glowcoil>
well rn i'm cruisin
<glowcoil>
huge amount of caffein
<glowcoil>
i feel great
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
dittttttttttoooooo
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gonna go crack open some Paws code and bang my head against *that*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
now that I've impossibly conquered the mountain of this specification
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, theoretically
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
guess that's pending alex waking up
<glowcoil>
:p
<glowcoil>
ELLIOTTCABLE: srsly gj
<glowcoil>
:o
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can't even think about it right now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that seems unreal
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and pretty sure I missed at *least* a couple important things
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but that's just it, its from “I've formally written down a couple of the important things” to “There's a couple of the important things oft un-written-down.”
<glowcoil>
ay
<glowcoil>
ya
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
now, theoretically, we implement. All of us. And then we federate.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then we bug-squash all to fucking hell.
<glowcoil>
i wonder if hands can federate
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then, we take that big, stable, sane platform,
<glowcoil>
maybe i can make a middle ground hands
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and FUCK IT ALL THE FUCK UP WITH AWESOME IDEAS.
<glowcoil>
with diff syntax
<glowcoil>
but federate-compatible
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bang out time travel.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and insanities.
<glowcoil>
ya ya ya
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
do some awesome shit with multi-platform federation, the stuff I want to do with Unitary libraries,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… assuming Paws doesn't die right here and now with me hating programming and not goddamn caring. >,>
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
which is by far the most likely situation. <,<
<glowcoil>
java style encapsulation feels very cozy
<glowcoil>
i have to admit
<glowcoil>
like it's definitely worthwhile
<glowcoil>
java isn't
<glowcoil>
alex and i were discussing
<glowcoil>
how OO conflates "logical piece of program" and "data type"
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
isn't that the *point* of OO?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, literally, the definition?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
OO is saying “I'm going to intentionally think about every logical piece of a program as a data-type.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then derives various benefits from that worldview.
<glowcoil>
not really
<glowcoil>
like i mean look at erlang, it does the same thing without the conflation
<glowcoil>
the original vision of smalltalk was more about messages than about data types
<glowcoil>
etc.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
dunno erlang
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
while I was at it, I updated the version-history. Wow, that's some feels, right there.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not enough that you necessarily have to throw out your code … but still.
<alexgordon>
awesome
* alexgordon
reads
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so... implementations?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hm?
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
this follows µPaws pretty closely. I haven't double-checked that µPaws fully follows all of this spec, but I suspect it follows most of it.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn! devyn! devyn! devyn!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
DEEEEEVYYYYN!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I specified Paws' Nucleus. I did it. It's a thing. Come sanity-check and proofread it for me you beautiful Canadian bastard.
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I meant, is it ready to be implemented?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yep
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that's the point. As far as I can tell, you can write a µPaws.js-equivalent Paws machine, from that spec alone.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
*theoretically*, without coming to me. Probably, in reality, that's not true.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also, *none* of the ‘stdlib’ is in the spec. Intentionally. So, you can run Paws code on your machine, as long as it doesn't actually do anything. other than be code. that runs. and doesn't do anything. ;P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, go write, and when you find something the spec *doesn't* accurately cover (which is hopefully very little, now), come slap me so I can add that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
HOME RUN, BOYSSSS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: but before you start anything, literally just *read* it. It should be eminently readable (it's me. I don't do well with “dry technical.”), and I need proofreading as badly as I need sanity-testing/implementation.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
some of my mistakes may be so glaring that you catch them on a first pass, who knows.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Two ‘we live in the future’ feelings, today.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
One from Tesla releasing an OTA software update that changed the safety properties of its cars at highway speeds,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and the other when I retweeted a tweet *from inside my IRC client*, without having to install any plugins, configure any settings, sign into any accounts, or debug any perl errors.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mocha and coffee-script have decided to stop playing together at all
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ughaeitwborawuleteghslnipotaw;r
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
THIS IS WHY OI DON'T USE THESE TOOLS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
GOD DAMNIT
<glowcoil>
nanosleep wins the award for cutest function name of the year
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
sounds like a pokemon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil: wat.
<purr>
beep.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<gqbrielle> not really, you just poker face a couple times and there you are. gaga, gaga everywhere.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I finished a spec )'=
<glowcoil>
makes me think of nanoloop, a cute abstract sound maker for game boy
<glowcoil>
and also of nullsleep who is a chiptunist guy
<glowcoil>
but also is just cute
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I feel like it's not real. I have to keep telling myself it *is* real, until one of you fuckers pays attention and tells me whether it's real or not. )'=
<glowcoil>
and then the next 2 twets got like 20 rts
<glowcoil>
so ya
<glowcoil>
i'm a famous philospher
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
:D
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Atom really is quite cool.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but the vim support is *horrid*, unsurprisingly.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
suddenly wondering if learning vim into myself at a deep level was a horrid mistake.
<glowcoil>
i know vim pretty deeply
<glowcoil>
but only use it for clojure
<glowcoil>
and perhaps haskell
<glowcoil>
becuase of indent shit
<glowcoil>
it's the only editor with good indents
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
interesting
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and disagreed, I hate the way it handles indents
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… but it's me, and a fully sentient editor more intelligent than the additive I.Q. of this entire channel couldn't correctly predict my indentation and alignment habits.
<glowcoil>
ya
<glowcoil>
you have to admit like
<glowcoil>
if you're writing list
<glowcoil>
lisp*
<glowcoil>
then emacs and vim are really the only options that are anywhere near not fucking awful for indents
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
trudat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
emacs, really, superior to vim, clearly, for that