<flyback->
by the time it's in your mouth, your teeth etc are fucked anyways
<azonenberg>
lol, i was wondering the same myself
<flyback->
i'm surprised the stuff is safe enough for laundry but yet still eats silicon
<azonenberg>
flyback-: laundry?
<azonenberg>
its for toilet cleaning afaik
<azonenberg>
and it doesnt eat Si, it eats SiO2
<azonenberg>
I think the idea is, stubborn rust stain on sink/toilet
<azonenberg>
dissolve top micron or so of glaze on the porcelain
<azonenberg>
take stain with it
<flyback->
hahaha
<berndj>
oh is that how HF removes rust?
<berndj>
i always assumed it was some sort of anion substitution + solubility trick
<B0101>
berdj: when was the last time azonenberg messaged on this channel?
<berndj>
B0101: about 8h30m ago
<berndj>
oops, only saw your message an hour after.  make that 10 hours ago
<azonenberg>
berndj: thats just a guess
<azonenberg>
i could be wrong
<berndj>
i never thought "rust remover" was something for toilets, either! i assumed it was to get rust off *metal*
<azonenberg>
berndj: this stuff is apparently made for ceramics
<azonenberg>
They make ones for metal too
<azonenberg>
I have no idea, i've never used it for its intended purpose :p
<azonenberg>
i use it as a cheap source of not-too-concentrated HF
<azonenberg>
swkhan: did you get the wafer?
<berndj>
what, did you send it by neutrino beam??
<berndj>
the only stuff i can find with "rust" in its intended purpose, seems to be based on phosphoric acid.  or just "acid-based", they don't always say WHAT :(
<azonenberg>
berndj: most of the ones meant for metal etc are phosphoric
<azonenberg>
thats why the one HF product on the market was a lucky find
<flyback->
berndj, it's also nasty shit
<flyback->
so be careful
<berndj>
we know by now!
<flyback->
well I am not taking any chances
<flyback->
I seen photos
<berndj>
afaik azonenberg has calcium gluconate around Just In Case (tm)
<flyback->
good
<berndj>
(maybe not calcium?)
<berndj>
what have your dealings with HF been?
<azonenberg>
uses a lab coat, norfoil gloves, goggles, and a full face shiedl as well
<flyback->
none
<flyback->
just reading
<flyback->
but about 7-10 yrs ago when I was shopping at walmart and I picked up the bottle of wink
<flyback->
Ii yelled out "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?"
<berndj>
but just imagine, your bones will become birefringent as they turn to fluorspar!
<azonenberg>
flyback-: lol
<flyback->
it was on the bottome shelf too
<flyback->
wtf
<flyback->
some kid could get into it
<azonenberg>
flyback-: they put denatonium benzoate in it :p
<azonenberg>
why???
<azonenberg>
by that point its already in your mouth :p
<flyback->
yeah by the time you tasted it you are fucked already
<flyback->
*CANUCKED*
<berndj>
just how much of 3% HF would you need to be truly screwed?
<berndj>
if that's less than what it takes to let the denatonium benzoate do its job, then yes, bottom shelf is bad
<azonenberg>
berndj: i have no idea
<azonenberg>
i've never so much as splashed a drop on me
<azonenberg>
and i dont plan to try :p
<azonenberg>
i've gotten a drop on my gloves once or twice but always noticed and changed immediately
<berndj>
i got the impression that you needed a good splash for it to take (serious) effect
<azonenberg>
berndj: Probably
<azonenberg>
But i dont like taking chances
<azonenberg>
gloves are cheap, fingers arent :p
<berndj>
yeah
<berndj>
makes you wonder how you can use fluoridated toothpaste!
<berndj>
(i'm pretty sure by now that that "stinging" sensation from brushing your teeth is exactly what makes HF so dangerous - only in a small dose)
<azonenberg>
No, its NaF
<berndj>
(making little fluorspar particles in your cells)
<azonenberg>
and in a tiny volume
<azonenberg>
like 0.01% or so
<azonenberg>
i dont think you ca nfeel it
<berndj>
dunno; at the dentist you get this NaF mouthwash too, same effect
<azonenberg>
you sure thats not the mint flavor?
<azonenberg>
i cant stand mint
<azonenberg>
i use this silly all-natural childrens fruit flavored toothpaste as its the only non-mint i've found anywhere lol
<berndj>
lol
<azonenberg>
its fluorinated but doesnt seem to have any stinging
<berndj>
hmm, i don't know, but why would that pink dentist's solution also be mintified?
<azonenberg>
people are used to mouth-cleaning things being mint flavored
<berndj>
hmm, some random googling reveals "Expect to feel a tingling feeling if you use toothpaste with fluoride in it."Â Â (an article on how to cure acne with toothpaste)