<appa-nerd>
There was a mention in the white paper about how persistent nodes were incentivsed but didn't bother to explain how. Did I miss the part or is it not yet implemented?
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<wak-work>
appa-nerd: there is no incentivization
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<ipfs-user>
does ipfs work with hashes other than sha256?
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<Dylanger[m]>
Anyone know how to have IPFS actually mount on /ipfs on a Fedora machine?
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<Dylanger[m]>
Don't worry, I forgot ipfs has to be before cat :P
<achin>
normally you just run "ipfs mount"
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<Dylanger[m]>
Can IPFS not get thru firewalls?
<Dylanger[m]>
`/NAT`?
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<dignifiedquire>
good morning everyone
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<Kubuxu>
morning \o/
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<dignifiedquire>
Kubuxu: do you know how we could add a branch to dist.ipfs.io?
<Kubuxu>
no idea
<Kubuxu>
never touched dist code
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<dignifiedquire>
thanks :) will wait for why to wake up then
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<lgierth>
Dylanger[m]: it can
<lgierth>
through NATs, that is. firewalls are a different thing and if they reject ipfs traffic, there's not much one can do
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<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, saw you were refactoring away wreck in favor of fetch, so didn't want to dig into the request-api, hence the weird looking stuff in the subscribe function
<appa-nerd>
I'm more curious how it's finding peers, I was setting it up as an experiment
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<lgierth>
appa-nerd: 1) the bootstrap list 2) mdns 3) when you try to fetch an object it asks your peers for other nodes who might have it 4) some node somewhere who knows your address and connects in
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<Pantograf>
hi. Is there anybody listening here?
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<victorbjelkholm>
Pantograf, of course, most of the time at least
<Pantograf>
victorbjelkholm: i did not understand one thing - if i add something to my local node, will it propagate somewhere by default?
<victorbjelkholm>
Pantograf, no, nothing is automatic. When you add files locally, you are the only one having those files and only nodes that requests that file will download it
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, you have to explain me a bit more about this comment: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-api/pull/377/files#r78542720 with through2, my stream skills is nowhere near good, how can through2 help? Also, I'm adding a custom method on the stream, I can still use through2 in that case?
<dignifiedquire>
yes you can
<dignifiedquire>
let me write up a quick scetch how this would look like
<lgierth>
Pantograf: one thing that *does* propagate is the info that your node is now a provider of that data
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, that would be very helpful, thanks :)
<dignifiedquire>
you can imagine through2 a little bit like map for streams
<victorbjelkholm>
lgierth, good point. I think, if you want to add "secret", you would encrypt it before adding and decrypt when receiving
<lgierth>
yep agreed
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, I'm guessing through2 would help create the transform function that haad talked about in a comment as well, right?
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<victorbjelkholm>
problem is, I only have the stream after one message have been sent, whereas I need the stream directly, in case you want to cancel subscription before receiving a any message
<victorbjelkholm>
not sure I implemented it correct, but it does pass some of the tests
<dignifiedquire>
don't use object mode
<dignifiedquire>
your incoming stream is a binary stream
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, if no, it complains "Uncaught TypeError: Invalid non-string/buffer chunk"
<victorbjelkholm>
parseMessage returns an object
<victorbjelkholm>
which basically was written by haad btw, not 100% what's going on in there
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<victorbjelkholm>
not sure how through2 helps in this case, seems to make the code more complicated, not easier...
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<dignifiedquire>
hmm
<dignifiedquire>
might be better to not use it then, but you should then use new stream.Readable({objectMode: true}) to create your stream
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<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, ok, we can investigate to use through2 in the future maybe
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<dignifiedquire>
victorbjelkholm: also make sure to propagate errors
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, they are propagating correctly already
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmeusS156FbDX9crFLyHEq5ipdVTmepJjcvpM2qANRbVym
<haad>
victorbjelkholm dignifiedquire if you have a moment, can you grab QmeusS156FbDX9crFLyHEq5ipdVTmepJjcvpM2qANRbVym and start it and join #ipfs?
<haad>
it's an OSX build for Orbit with ipfs pubsub
<victorbjelkholm>
haad, I'm on ubuntu :/
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<victorbjelkholm>
osx not hipster enough you know
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<dignifiedquire>
good morning daviddias
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<whyrusleeping>
goood morning all the peoples
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<haad>
victorbjelkholm: you can help me even more if you're on ubuntu! if you can build the Orbit linux app from https://github.com/haadcode/orbit/tree/pubsub and join me on #ipfs?
<whyrusleeping>
victorbjelkholm: i'd say osx is more hipster and ubuntu
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: did you see how fast I got key gen?
<daviddias>
show me :)
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<whyrusleeping>
haad: whats the pubsub topic string for orbit?
<jbenet>
it should be one per channel. something like: hash("orbit" + channel.name), or really, orbit should be fully qualified for name spacing: hash("<orbit-domain>/pubsub/" + channel.name)
<whyrusleeping>
wait, the channels are just the channel name?
<haad>
right now yeah
<whyrusleeping>
i see
<whyrusleeping>
okay, cool
<haad>
jbenet: yeah definitely should be namespaced
<whyrusleeping>
lets not do hashing
<whyrusleeping>
that makes it harder for me to do things like make the gateways help out with a given channel
<haad>
I was thinking, while playing with connecting irc to orbit, that we could have something similar to other paths we do, eg. /orbit/irc/ipfs (irc #ipfs) or /orbit/orbit/ipfs (orbit #ipfs)
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, i like that
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<jbenet>
haad: i cant open that orbit you added, i think it's because of ipfs killing permissions
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<jbenet>
whyrusleeping: what's the plan on perms? i dont think we use the metadata object, right? should we add them to the dir link -- or what?
<haad>
jbenet: what's the error? "The application 'Orbit.app' can't be opened"?
<jbenet>
haad: yeah
<jbenet>
i think its because the binaries are not +x
<haad>
shit :/
<haad>
jbenet: it's something to do with Electron I think. I've been seeing that lately and just tried to fix it and while locally it seems to work now, obviously there's still something wrong :/
<whyrusleeping>
jbenet: we could try and use the metadata object for that
<jbenet>
haad: chmod +x "Orbit.app/Contents/MacOS/Orbit" made it ipen
<haad>
jbenet: \o/
<haad>
thank you!
<haad>
I was going carzy with that :D
<jbenet>
lol
<jbenet>
ipfs eats perms right now
<jbenet>
it should not
<jbenet>
go-ipfs*
<whyrusleeping>
om nom nom
<jbenet>
(but also js-ipfs)
<haad>
:/
<haad>
ok
<haad>
zipped then
<jbenet>
yeah a zip or tar will help
<jbenet>
tar import with `ipfs tar` will reuse most of the content you just added
<jbenet>
ipfs tar add <file>.tar
<haad>
will help with the size too (it's ~190mb unpacked atm)
<whyrusleeping>
tar up the dance floor
<victorbjelkholm>
haad, sure, ubuntu build coming up. Just have to use the pubsub branch and then follow the readme right?
<whyrusleeping>
haad: it builds on arch
<whyrusleeping>
but i get a couple weird error boxes
<jbenet>
haad: i still have to have the daemon running right?
<haad>
victorbjelkholm: pull again, was missing require('path')
<victorbjelkholm>
hah
<jbenet>
victorbjelkholm: it's a script meant to be added to github.com/haadcode/orbit and run from that root
<jbenet>
victorbjelkholm: ./install-pubsub.sh --- does all the npm madness and build go-ipfs@feat/pubsub for you, puts it in node_modules/.bin/ipfs
<jbenet>
haad: o/ should check it out.
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<haad>
jbenet: checking it
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<haad>
jbenet: we don't need the rm -rf's anymore
<jbenet>
one of these days i'm going to break and write gx-sh
<jbenet>
the only hard part is namespacing.
<jbenet>
almost feel like i'd want a new shell.
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<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, meh, lets finish gx-js first! Would be nice to dogfood it
<haad>
jbenet: I think it'll be easier to fix the orbit's build process in npm but the part of building the go-ipfs bin could be something I could integrate.
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, install went fine now :)
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<haad>
jbenet: then again, dignifiedquire was in the opinion that we could put the custom bin to dist.ipfs.io and npm install it from there
<haad>
victorbjelkholm: cool
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, temp solution that doesn't require dist.ipfs.io, add a folder with the custom pubsub binaries to ipfs, pin it and release a @dev version of go-ipfs-npm
<haad>
hmmm
<jbenet>
victorbjelkholm: and then you have to worry about that difference confusing us. hacks are fine for 1 person in a limited amount of time. less fine for n people or over longer time.
<victorbjelkholm>
at least what I can see now, is that dist.ipfs.io only includes released/official versions, no build based on branches
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, yeah, I'm proposing it as a temporary fix, until we have some proper way of dealing with it, instead of getting stuck
<jbenet>
just release a branch on dist.ipfs.io -- it should be easy to do. you dont have to have it in "dist.ipfs.io", you can use the hash yourself (eg "/ipfs/<root-of-distributions-that-you-build>"
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<jbenet>
the dist.ipfs.io domain is guarded-- but anyhone can download the repo and build whatever versions they want and point to {ipfs.io, localhost:8080}/ipfs/<root-of-distributions-that-you-build>
<haad>
can someone who knows what they're doing do that for me?
<victorbjelkholm>
I'm in #ipfs at orbit now
<haad>
I would want to npm install a package that has the pubsub binaries
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<jbenet>
haad: ask whyrusleeping or kubuxu to do it--? i think both of them know how -- whyrusleeping told dignifiedquire how to do it, too
<jbenet>
victorbjelkholm: how did you get past the white screen?
<dignifiedquire>
jbenet: I'm unclear now, my idea was to have a pubsub tag and deploy that actually to dist.ipfs.io
<jbenet>
victorbjelkholm: did you use the version downloaded from ipfs? or just orbit?
<dignifiedquire>
it would just be one of the versions when clicking through to the listing of all versions
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, I did not have a white screen
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<dignifiedquire>
or do you not want that?
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, I was running the pubsub daemon in the background since forever, not sure if orbit used that one or not though
<victorbjelkholm>
let me try with it off
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, requires the daemon in the background right now
<victorbjelkholm>
it's so much faster with pubsub though, great work haad
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<victorbjelkholm>
gah, I'm getting my head filled with so many awesome use cases for pub/sub!
<victorbjelkholm>
it's gonna explode
<haad>
victorbjelkholm: I didn't make the pubsub nor make pubsub fast :)
<haad>
all kudos to whyrusleeping jbenet and daviddias
<victorbjelkholm>
but you did add it to orbit! Which was cool
<victorbjelkholm>
but yeah, other great people made the go-ipfs pub/sub happen :) Thanks to all of you
<fleeky_>
... what is pub/sub?
* fleeky_
steps out of lurking for a moment
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<haad>
whyrusleeping jbenet: anything you can do on the go side re. the discovery for pubsub so that peers would connect automatically? I could also hack something on the app side, maybe make every client look for the same hash or smth
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<lgierth>
haad: maybe make topics hashes of ipfs objects, and whoever provides it is assumed to do pubsub?
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<haad>
lgierth: I had that in a while ago but I found the hashing confusing overall, it's a lot easier to build stuff on it when everything is in clear text. that said, I really want to do the namespacing/pathing for the channels.
<haad>
...and finally pull in irc to orbit :)
<haad>
and the other way around
<lgierth>
a topic -> object mapping allows for all kinds of cool metadata though, think "channel profiles"
<haad>
true true
<haad>
or permissions
<haad>
pubsub (finally) opens all those question for exploration. very exciting!
<lgierth>
what great times to live in
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<victorbjelkholm>
I think uglify uses the env variable as well to do something
<Kubuxu>
victorbjelkholm: re: --writable demo. long time ago I made: https://ipfs.io/ipns/bin.ipfs.ovh/ It could use some love if you feel like it. --writable would work great with it and there are some bugs and code isn't great (I'm not JS person)
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<whyrusleeping>
haad: i'll add that discovery thing now
<victorbjelkholm>
Kubuxu, hah, yeah, it's cool, not sure how I feel about it, we're competitors ;) http://ipfsbin.xyz/
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<Kubuxu>
hah
<Kubuxu>
If you take UI from mine (and thus from hastebin), we are not. Something about simplicity of hastebin just makes me want to use it for everything.
<haad>
whyrusleeping: will it be behind a flag or by default on?
<haad>
(discovery)
<whyrusleeping>
a flag
<haad>
whyrusleeping: k
<haad>
dignifiedquire: wtf :O
<haad>
dignifiedquire: will definitely put that in
<victorbjelkholm>
Kubuxu, I don't see any way of setting the filetype though
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<Kubuxu>
you fake an extension
<dignifiedquire>
haad: should make your ui a bit snappier :) but removes the nice error messages
<victorbjelkholm>
hastebin is more like a anything-goes-bin, ipfsbin more of a code-bin
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<dansup>
Kubuxu, cool. I suggest switching line 38 of application.css to "margin-right" from "padding-right" so you don't have to scroll sideways
<Kubuxu>
dansup: thanks I was looking for that for quite some time.
<Kubuxu>
:p
* Kubuxu
can't CSS.
<dansup>
np :)
<Kubuxu>
like I can change colours and that is it. :p
<victorbjelkholm>
Kubuxu, man, css is a language you don't want to learn
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: this is coming along nicely, will hopefully finish tomorrow: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/pull/485 so we can have fast key gen everyweher
<Kubuxu>
dansup: I thought you were dead.
<dignifiedquire>
Kubuxu: ask haad for his gif describing css :D
<victorbjelkholm>
been with css for many years, still have no idea of writing css architecture that is scalable
<dignifiedquire>
victorbjelkholm: I tell you a secrete, it doesn't exist
<dignifiedquire>
the only way of doing scalable css is using unique ids per element :D
<dignifiedquire>
and using lots of js
<dansup>
Kubuxu, im not dead :) just decided to move on from cjdns
<dansup>
ipfs is the future :3
<Kubuxu>
good with me, the network seems to be dying slowly.
<dignifiedquire>
whoo js-ipfs just go its 600th star ⭐️
<whyrusleeping>
is this the same dan whose phone i have from largs?
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: different dan!
<lgierth>
hey dansup
<whyrusleeping>
damn
<Kubuxu>
dansup: it worked <3
<lgierth>
dansup: we'll be in toronto again soon :)
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: if you still have it, keep it for a few weeks longer so i can use it in toronto :D
<whyrusleeping>
lol, sure thing
<dansup>
lgierth, hello
<dansup>
is ansuz going too?
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<dansup>
Kubuxu, yay
<lgierth>
i don't think so
<lgierth>
kubuxu and whyrusleeping and myself though
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<whyrusleeping>
ansuz is on vacation
<dansup>
cool, too bad im in alberta
<lgierth>
we'll be pretty busy but afterwards i'd be up for beers and hacking from the 15th
<lgierth>
toronto has a pretty decent hackerspace
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<dansup>
nice, wish I could make it. What are you guys doing in Toronto?
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<lgierth>
gotta meet every once in a while if you're distributed :)
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<dansup>
heh
<richardlitt>
daviddias: github.com/libp2p/spec
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<haad>
daviddias: I think it'll be enough if we have a -dev version of the go-ipfs-dep package
<haad>
I can take care of the rest in the postinstall/build process
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: while you are here can you add me to go-ipfs-dep on gh and npm so I can do that dev version for haad?
<haad>
whyrusleeping: I don't know what else you have on your plate and what other urgent thing you have, but if you can bump the prio for the dist build, that'd be awesome
<lgierth>
Kubuxu: different unixes put bash in different places -- or are you asking whether we should rather do /bin/sh?
<Kubuxu>
if /usr/bin/env or /bin/evn is supporte in all unixes that we can use it to search the PATH
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<lgierth>
i've never heard of one that doesn't have env
<lgierth>
i think env is even required by posix
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<Kubuxu>
so it might be the best solution
<lgierth>
it's certainly preferrable to use /bin/sh but some of bash's features are really neat
<daviddias>
richardlitt: got a reminder on my cal for libp2p.io review
<daviddias>
is it up? might be good for me to check before hand
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<lgierth>
richardlitt: good occasion for trying out the ipfs-pages thing :)
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<whyrusleeping>
attempting to find my home computers ip address by searching for dht providers of things i know i've added
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<whyrusleeping>
YES
<whyrusleeping>
IT WORKED
<whyrusleeping>
:D
<whyrusleeping>
my modem reset and changed my home IP
<whyrusleeping>
but i found it by looking for providers of the last dists page i built
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<haad>
jbenet victorbjelkholm daviddias whoever has OSX, can you try that ^
<haad>
it should now start go-ipfs-floodsub0 automatically (included in the build)
<haad>
although, I think it still needs repo initialized at IPFS_PATH or ~/.ipfs
<jbenet>
haad can you make it init a repo in its own path? maybe as part of the .app bundle? or maybe in `.../Application\ Support/`? it would be AWESOME to get devcon people to chat in the room with Orbit. and small things like this will make it not possible for people to do it.
<jbenet>
and use different ports for swarm and gateway?
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<jbenet>
(--- on ports, choose others. or if you want to avoid port conflict problems entirely, you can set it to `.../tcp/0` and it will choose one automatically, and print the chosen address to the console. im not sure if chosen address is available through the API-- (if not, it should be) cc @whyrusleeping)
<jbenet>
haad: lmk if i should be filing issues for this
<whyrusleeping>
port zero works, the chosen address gets put in the /api file in the repo
<jbenet>
whyrusleeping what about the _gateway_'s port
<whyrusleeping>
good question
<jbenet>
i dont _think_ it gets set anywhere
<jbenet>
accessible from the api
<jbenet>
only the daemon output...
<whyrusleeping>
me neither
<whyrusleeping>
i cant see it being put anywhere
<whyrusleeping>
only output to stdout
<whyrusleeping>
i feel like it might want to live in `ipfs id`
<whyrusleeping>
but that doesnt feel quite right
<whyrusleeping>
since you can use ipfs id on remote peers
<jbenet>
not if it's accessible by remote endpoints.
<jbenet>
yeah
<jbenet>
whyrusleeping could populate it only for self. that's special cased anyway
<whyrusleeping>
maybe we need an `ipfs gateway` subcommand
<jbenet>
yeah agreed. though what that cmd should look like will be tricky becasue there's a gateway inside the `ipfs api` too.
<jbenet>
and `ipfs api` should probably be a command too.
<haad>
jbenet: you don't think IPFS_PATH is enough for a different repo?
<haad>
jbenet: can you elaborate on why you think it should run in dedicated ports/repos?
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<haad>
jbenet: I just added that it inits a repo if one doesn't exist (whatever is ipfs' default, $HOME I think)
<haad>
jbenet: yeah actuall, open issues. I'll see what can be done but this is first orbit-devcon-rc :)
<haad>
I just ran the whole process through and it all works, so I'm happy with it. everything in addition will be considered bugfix and polish but this is the baseline build for devcon (I think, fingers crossed)
<haad>
hey everyone, if you have a moment, it would help hugely if you could clone https://github.com/haadcode/orbit/tree/pubsub and follow the instructions to try out Orbit. I want to make sure the installation/run process works for everyone and that the instructions are correct.
<i[m]>
Chat via ipfs? Wat? How cool.
<jbenet>
i can try orbit now. others trying would be good.
<jbenet>
haad: IPFS_PATH is enough for a different repo, just note that you need to place it somewhere standard. i think within the .app or within `$USER/Application\ Support/...` is standard. i.e. do not use $USER/.ipfs (the default IPFS_PATH value)
<jbenet>
haad: i.e. if i double click and open orbit it should use its own ipfs instance with its own repo and NOT interfere with any other ipfs instance i have running in my machine.
<haad>
jbenet: there's a bit more to it than just using a isolated repo for Orbit. think of the linked data that never gets out there if it's isolated in the app's repo.
<haad>
jbenet: umm, why not? sounds like we should have a discussion on this, mind opening an issue?
<jbenet>
haad this is why different ports matter. its going to be a mess for people to try this if not. (ie may be fine for your demo, but it would be amazing if we can get a bunch of people to try it)
<jbenet>
okay will open issue
<jbenet>
(yeah understood-- we dont reuse the local repo right atm. if this was using a "latest release of ipfs" its a different story, but it's using a branch release, which others are not guaranteed to have)
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<jbenet>
i'll put it in issues
<haad>
jbenet: ah, got ya, understand what you mean
<haad>
you're right
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, I'm in #ipfs in orbit, wanna try it out again?
<victorbjelkholm>
I still get the same error right after entering my username, ugly javascript alert with the error
<victorbjelkholm>
maybe can hide that at least, unless we can actually figure out what's going on
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, also, could you send over a osx version? Gonna try on another laptop
<haad>
victorbjelkholm: I'm there too
<haad>
we're prolly not connected :/
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<whyrusleeping>
haad: the version of ipfs with pubsub on that dists page i sent has a --discover option on the sub command
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, can't get connection with local daemon on/off, other osx machine is just showing white page
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<victorbjelkholm>
and no output in logs either, just one debug and info about that the application is starting
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<haad>
victorbjelkholm: that usually means there were problems starting the daemon
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<haad>
white page
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<victorbjelkholm>
ah, I downloaded QmNxGFwFs2KgJjFBMjzAdz1oS3qYMeUNNrDoL8NNjumZGS that I saw you put before
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<haad>
hmm ok
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<haad>
let look into it
<victorbjelkholm>
haad, I removed ~/.ipfs because it had a very old version, started again
<victorbjelkholm>
now instead I have a black page
<haad>
ah, that might the problem!
<haad>
victorbjelkholm: anything in the browser log?
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, yeah, fs not defined
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<haad>
umm
<haad>
hmm
<haad>
ok
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<haad>
that shouldn't happen
<victorbjelkholm>
web console logs says IPFS path is /tmp/orbit-demo-2- but I don't think that's true, otherwise behavior wouldn't change once I deleted ~/.ipfs
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, you tried that very build you've published?
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<jbenet2>
@haad https://github.com/haadcode/orbit/issues/104 i think that lays it all out -- sorry if anything is harsh i dont mean it to be, just have little time today to be more wordy
<haad>
victorbjelkholm: yeah I did try that. will need to look into it.
<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping, Imagine if that wasn't the real juan?!
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<whyrusleeping>
nah, i checked
<whyrusleeping>
hes sitting behind me
<jbenet2>
victorbjelkholm: yeah good point, thanks for verifying
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<victorbjelkholm>
pff
<victorbjelkholm>
this is a coup, I'm sure
<jbenet2>
:c
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad, if you want, I can help out with fixing the stuff Juan wrote about tomorrow, and also try to debug the errors I've seen
<victorbjelkholm>
if they are necessary to have before devcon
<achin>
should we start arming ourselfs with pitchforks?
<victorbjelkholm>
achin, I think the moment have never been better.
<whyrusleeping>
achin: no pitchforks necessary, return to your homes
<victorbjelkholm>
Down with the ops
<achin>
whyrusleeping is wearing a funny looking hat. is he to be trusted?
<victorbjelkholm>
you see? First the promise you light, then they take it all away
<whyrusleeping>
its a monacle
<achin>
victorbjelkholm: tyranny !
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<victorbjelkholm>
dictatorship!
<achin>
pitchforks!
<whyrusleeping>
he did it
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<achin>
shifting the blame are we
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<whyrusleeping>
i dont know what youre talking about
<whyrusleeping>
it was dignifiedquire all along
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<whyrusleeping>
something something change the blocksize
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<achin>
if whyrusleeping had his way, we'd all be enslaved, forced to bring him a never-ending supply of coffee
<whyrusleeping>
i'm actually pretty good on coffee right now, but i could totally go for a big bowl of fruit
<achin>
in unrelated news, my ipfs node has been up for about 48 hours with no problems to my home network connection \o/
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<lgierth>
yay
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<whyrusleeping>
achin: yeeeee
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* achin
is gonna pin all the things
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<jbenet2>
whyrusleeping diasdavid: please ack that commit, in that commit
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<achin>
and maybe re-start my wikipedia-on-ipfs project
<whyrusleeping>
ACK
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<achin>
snACK ?
<whyrusleeping>
achin: are you running latest master?
<achin>
whyrusleeping: yep
<whyrusleeping>
ah, yeah
<whyrusleeping>
theres some nice improvements there
<whyrusleeping>
also, once 0.4.3 ships theres gonna be some more cool stuff in master
<whyrusleeping>
hopefully
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<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping, was doing some pubsub tests between two laptops on the same network, somehow it stopped when I disconnected the internet, is that something you're aware of?
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<whyrusleeping>
thats... not right
<achin>
i'm helped in that i have a new computer, so if i need to get a machine to spend a few days extracting/preprocessing the wikipedia dump, i don't mind that so much any more
<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping, had to temporary sacrifice the other computer for reasons but I'll give it another try tomorrow
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<whyrusleeping>
victorbjelkholm: did you unplug the entire router?
<whyrusleeping>
or just the internet?
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<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping, no, the router that my fibra is connected to, not the router/hub managing the wifi
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<whyrusleeping>
were you able to do any other communication between the two laptops?
<whyrusleeping>
directly
<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping, didn't have time to try
<whyrusleeping>
okay
<victorbjelkholm>
I'll try it again tomorrow
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<achin>
here's an idea for a new github bot: very often in the ipfs/archives repository, someone does some initial work, links a hash, but then some weeks/months later, their node is offline, and so that content is generaly done
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<achin>
it would be cool to monitor all comments on that repo, and pin all mentioned hashes
<achin>
also periodically try to check to see if mentioned hashes are still available, and if not, add a comment to that effect
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<jbenet2>
@achin i want a hubot pinbot for that, so you can do `@ipfs-pinbot pin <path>` directly on gtihub
<jbenet2>
@achin and if it knows you and you have pin perms, it pins it.
<jbenet2>
and it responds "@achin ok, I pinned <path> for you"
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<achin>
that'd be cool too
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<sdgathman>
A little blue sky here: we use a content addressable database that is basically a b-tree with leading dup suppression. Each key record consists of a dup count and a single byte to distinguish to content from its neighbors.
<achin>
but i'd like to contribute by pinning some of this low-value and in-progress work (stuff that might not normally be suitable for pinning on the ipfs gateways)
<sdgathman>
This could be made distributed also. The obvious disadvantage over hash of content is the integrity checking.
<sdgathman>
Can anyone think of any advantages?
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<sdgathman>
For accounting applications, the dynamic key records average 5 bytes in size (redundant bytes are lazily dropped from index blocks).
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<whyrusleeping>
there are two jbenets
<whyrusleeping>
somethings gotta give
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<achin>
more tyranny
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<whyrusleeping>
there, now youre part of the problem
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<achin>
ahhhhh what do i do now!
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<achin>
do i continue the fight against this oligarchy of power or bask in the glory of my new hat-like thing
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: what did I do?
<achin>
dignifiedquire: ohi. do you know if anyone is currently using the rust-multihash code on the multiformats repo? i want to make an API-breaking change to rust-multihash, and if anyone is using it, i want to be able to give them a heads up
<i[m]>
Did somebody say Rust?!?!?!?
<lgierth>
achin: i'd say open an issue
<achin>
before the PR?
<dignifiedquire>
i[m]: RUST
<dignifiedquire>
achin: I don't know of anyone using it atm, so go ahead and make the PR :) if someone is using it they hopefully will see the PR and comment there
<achin>
(not the game :P)
<achin>
dignifiedquire: great, ok thanks
<lgierth>
achin: or just the PR -- i think whoever is interested will most likely be watching
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<achin>
i've been trying to get it out tonight, but to be honest, playing in the vive is just too damn fun
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<whyrusleeping>
achin: thats why i havent gotten a vive yet
<whyrusleeping>
i wouldnt get anything done
<whyrusleeping>
with the oculus i was saved by oculus breaking linux support
<whyrusleeping>
but while it worked i was pretty sucked into it
<achin>
i spent a while playing paintball with internet friends last night. it is stupidly fun
<achin>
it has no right being as fun as it is
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, i'm concerned about how fun VR is and will be
<whyrusleeping>
like, i think the addictiveness of it will be a serious issue
<achin>
also, my legs are now sore
<achin>
from playing computer games
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<whyrusleeping>
positive reinforcement, gotta reward that good behaviour
<achin>
tru
<achin>
else they might revolt too.
<whyrusleeping>
yeap, gotta keep them subservient
<sdgathman>
whyrusleeping: like in the William Shatner Tekwar novels?
<whyrusleeping>
sdgathman: after a quick google tldr, yes
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<whyrusleeping>
I take my role as the totalitarian dictator of irc very seriously
<achin>
quick question all: the Datastore.StorageMax field in the ipfs config -- is that for all of IPFS_PATH (including all blocks)? or just the datastore (which is i think the leveldb database?)
<lgierth>
just the datastore i believe
<whyrusleeping>
achin: assuming that it actually works (i dont think it does). its for the blocks dir
<lgierth>
on that note, saturn is happily refusing to run gc although it's above gc watermark
<achin>
first signs of the uprising!
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: quickly, quell the rebellion on saturn
<whyrusleeping>
we musnt let them think they can get away with that
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<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: ok it's not actually go-ipfs's fault on that low-on-diskspace host
<fleeky>
hi there, get this error in console when running orbit . [Wed Sep 14 2016 00:21:15 GMT+0200 (CEST)] "GET /assets/vendor.js" Error (404): "Not found"
<lgierth>
i'm not even sure the add command needs to use the core-api
<kevina>
okay, that good
<lgierth>
(and i think it doesn't get in your way regarding datastore)
<kevina>
as long as you don't touch the add code, it won't cause any real problems
<kevina>
so will the core API provide a way to add files?
<kevina>
are is the chunking, etc, out of scope, and the core API is only concerned with the resulting blocks/node?
<lgierth>
oh yes definitely -- but it might be just a subset of the add command. i haven't taken a close look at what the add command does (in the cli and in the daemon)
<lgierth>
(yes ^ it will provide the unixfs add function)
<lgierth>
the core-api is supposed to cover most of the operation and usage of the ipfs node
<kevina>
so now I'm confused, why won't the add command use the core-api?
<lgierth>
the goal is to be able to just switch the impl from a real node in the same process, to e.g. the http api on a different machine
<kevina>
so as long as it does the same thing, everything is okay?
<lgierth>
it doesn't have to -- we haven't decided or really discussed whether the core-api needs to cover everything, or can simply be a useful common denominator between implementations and access modes
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<lgierth>
yeah basically. just another abstraction
<lgierth>
so that you can swap out the stuff underneath the interface
<lgierth>
there's more info and discussion in that interface-ipfs-core repo ^