<JesseW>
you should be able to put the part after ipfs.io ( /ipfs/QmYwAPJzv5CZsnA625s3Xf2nemtYgPpHdWEz79ojWnPbdG/readme ) into the webui and see it there as well
<WhiteWhaleHolyGr>
for not knowing what i was doing. i figured out what my problem was there. do a lot of people just have nothing uploaded?
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<Aranjedeath>
ah
<Aranjedeath>
ipfs isn't something you... browse
<Aranjedeath>
the questions sound like what I'd ask if I were expecting slsk, and failing to find the right ui for how you interact with those user-collected-files
<JesseW>
yeah, ipfs isn't oriented for browsing
<JesseW>
really, at this point it's mainly just for testing
<Aranjedeath>
yeah :)
<Aranjedeath>
that type of UI could be built in the future, but it would be through some layer of indirection to make the interface more human-legible
<JesseW>
and I suppose the use of it just as a way of hosting static content in multiple places works reasonably well for now
<Aranjedeath>
hashes translated into phrases or somesuch
<Aranjedeath>
yeah :)
<JesseW>
although since it requires its own copy of the content, it's not particularly good yet
<Aranjedeath>
(hashes into phrases would allow much easier human-legible file collections, but I think this isn't the end goal of ipfs ;))
<Aranjedeath>
I like "globally addressable content" but I also want someday for this to actually be interplanetary so I can have to correct myself in the future to say universally addressable content, as my punchline at a party
* Aranjedeath
plays the long game
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<bitspill>
How might I go about using go-ipfs-api to add a wrapped file?
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<dignifiedquire>
victorbjelkholm: also linked on dist.ipfs.io
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, dignifiedquire, thanks but I was thinking more of an announcement with just the top changes, rather than everything
<dignifiedquire>
you mean a blog post? ;) are you volunteering as tribute?
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, haha, no, just like, "new version, these are the coolest new stuff and these are breaking, the rest you can find here: {linkToChangelog}"
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<victorbjelkholm>
yeah, when I think about it, some kind of blog post, haha...
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<lgierth>
i'll make a blog post today
<lgierth>
which will be a summary of the 5 changelogs
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<victorbjelkholm>
lgierth, awesomeness :)
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<Johnny_>
I could generate a block for each product
<haad>
r0kk3rz: thanks! there's something even cooler coming out tomorrow at devcon2, check out https://github.com/haadcode/orbit/tree/pubsubport (orbit - finally completely distributed and p2p :))
<lgierth>
Johnny_: blocks are the lowest data abstraction layer, right above the disk storage. i think you're find using the files api (i.e. add/cat/ls)
<Johnny_>
I may be can identify a block by the product id
<lgierth>
blocks are identified by their hash
<lgierth>
i think blocks are not what you want
<lgierth>
try add/cat/ls with directory structures
<lgierth>
haad: it hasn't finished pinning yet -- in fact it's stalled since yesterday when i started, only fetched like 5 blocks
<lgierth>
haad: best to build on a machine somewhere on a good internet connection next time, e.g. on one of the storage hosts
<Johnny_>
Maybe if I put 1 file by product in the directory, I can get the url to get the combination of all files ?
<lgierth>
hey ligi o/
<ligi>
hey lgierth
<lgierth>
Johnny_: yes, if you add a directory, all it's contents are accessible by one hash
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<lgierth>
e.g. /ipfs/Qmfoobar/somefile
<lgierth>
or /ipfs/Qmfoobar/somedirectory/another/somefile
<lgierth>
if files don't fit what you need, you can build data structures using the object commands
<Johnny_>
lgierth: in case of CSV file the file order is important, it's possible to define it ?
<haad>
lgierth: :/ yeah I figured it might not come through... it's ok, don't worry about it, we can live without pinning it
<Johnny_>
the header must be the first file to be at the top of the file
<lgierth>
Johnny_: files are added exactly as they are
<lgierth>
Johnny_: if there's a csv header at the top, so be it
<haad>
r0kk3rz: if you come across any problems, please do open issues. it helps hugely to know what problems, even small annoyances, people experience.
<haad>
lgierth: thanks for persistently trying to pin it though :)
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<Johnny_>
the order is based on the creation date ?
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<lgierth>
haad: obliged :)
<lgierth>
Johnny_: which order? in the directory? i think it's by name. ipfs doesn't save the file timestamps and permissions
<Johnny_>
If it's the name it's perfect
<Johnny_>
lgierth: Do you have an example somewhere ?
<Johnny_>
if I use the command cat the combination will be done locally then the upload of the big file will be done from Azure DC
<Johnny_>
Do we have a server command which will do the same ?
<Johnny_>
concatenate file into one ?
<Johnny_>
concatenate files into one ?
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<lgierth>
ipfs won't do it for you -- you'll have to it yourself either before adding, or after fetching
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<Johnny_>
For the first creation of the file it's OK to upload all products. But for an update of 1 product, I would like to update just the block.
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<Johnny_>
maybe with ipfs block
<Johnny_>
I can do that ?
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<lgierth>
aah i see. yes you can do that but it'll be a bit complicated
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<Johnny_>
GREAT!!! lgierth
<Johnny_>
Do you have an example from what I can start with ?
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<lgierth>
you'll need a toplevel file object (echo -n | ipfs add) and then start adding links to your blocks, and update these links when the blocks change
<lgierth>
i'm not sure how exactly
<lgierth>
you'll have to experiment with a bit unless someone else has instructions
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<Johnny_>
I just don't know what is the IPNS record :D
<Johnny_>
How do change it
<Johnny_>
and how to make the links
<Johnny_>
QmaFv4 is a block right ?
<gamemanj>
Nope.
<gamemanj>
This is at the object level.
<gamemanj>
(Well, kind of. Ask someone who knows the 'unixfs' abstraction details if you want anything precise.)
<Johnny_>
It's ok
<r0kk3rz>
Johnny_: for file level stuff you dont need to worry about blocks
<Johnny_>
It's not ipfs block but ipfs object I should use in fact
<gamemanj>
you ipfs add a working tree on a local machine, pin the working tree on the remote-side (Files that have not changed should not be re-downloaded by this!).
<gamemanj>
If you want your site to have "one" ID that accesses the latest version, you then write a script to run "ipfs name publish <your tree root> every ~12 hours or so. (Disappearing point is supposedly after 24, but...)
<Johnny_>
I will try to do that tomorrow guys
<Johnny_>
It's great
<gamemanj>
Also note that the IPNS name is based on your peer-id.
<Johnny_>
Thanks for your help guys
<Johnny_>
I install on my computer ipfs
<Johnny_>
I have to take care of my children now
<Johnny_>
:D
<Johnny_>
Bye
<gamemanj>
Ok. I would like to note that if outbound data transfer is expensive, you may well get data usage issues simply due to the large fanout.
<gamemanj>
I'm not quite sure.
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<Johnny_>
gamemanj: I agree, It's p2p after all so I will have to upload things from other people. I don't know which data center is not expensive in outbound data transfer. For me Azure is not a choice...
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<sdgathman>
Johnny_: I had a similar issue with cjdns - where you relay encrypted packets for other users. My solution was to allocate a fixed amount of bandwidth for cjdns (using tc in linux), and the peers automatically adjust to the bandwidth available.
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<sdgathman>
A similar thing works for ipfs. Throttle traffic on the ipfs ports to a cap - say 1 mbit/sec.
<sdgathman>
These p2p things tend to use available bandwidth - so you have to set boundaries.
<sdgathman>
Good fences make good neighbors.
<gamemanj>
Uh, I don't think a titanium fence with laser turrets on the top makes good neighbors...
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<Johnny_>
If i use 5GB per month it's free
<gamemanj>
Johnny_: So 0.00024 mbit/s?
<gamemanj>
5 GB per month is a bit, uh, small.
<Johnny_>
5 Giga Bytes
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<gamemanj>
Yes, but if you're spreading that evenly throughout a month,
<Johnny_>
not bit
<gamemanj>
Yes, I know, I did the /8 when working out the megabits-per-day.
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<gamemanj>
Well, here's how many mega bytes per second: 0.001929012345679
<gamemanj>
5000 / (30 * 24 * 60 * 60)
<Johnny_>
OK good
<gamemanj>
Oh, good news, I did make an error.
<gamemanj>
0.015 mbit/s.
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<Johnny_>
gamemanj: It's enough ?
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<stoogenmeyer>
hey folks.. I come here every time I have a networking question..
<stoogenmeyer>
I'm wondering - when making a UDP request.. what are possible causes of a slow request?
<stoogenmeyer>
Also, when making the request, is there simply no connection whatsoever between the two endpoints? The one making the request just shoots packets into the internet and for all it cares, they could reach their destination tomorrow?
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<lgierth>
stoogenmeyer: UDP packets are unreliable: they can get lost, arrive out of order, arrive multiple times, arrive delayed
<lgierth>
it can be anything
<lgierth>
there are also firewalls that block udp for whatever stupid reason
<stoogenmeyer>
no I know that.. I'm only asking about the side making the request.. think about making a udp request in Go but finding out the request is really slow
<stoogenmeyer>
which seems weird to me assuming udp is just fire and forget
<lgierth>
voxelot: <3 i should get a geth client then? :)
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<Johnny_>
Bye
<voxelot>
lgierth: is easy enough to install, syncing takes awhile though
<voxelot>
but once you're up, one cool thing it can do now is keep a global array of files that everyone can scan through (encrypt if you want privacy :))
<voxelot>
or you could give your geth private key to someone and they could put it in their geth and access all your files uploaded, seeding payments is currently bugged i think, will lose more than you gain atm but fixing soon
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<lgierth>
!pin /ipfs/QmfBqPdZnTeDoCESjVPcdTvfy1scJiJHWDdgymarXjaN1X blog
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmfBqPdZnTeDoCESjVPcdTvfy1scJiJHWDdgymarXjaN1X
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<pinbot>
[host 4] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmfBqPdZnTeDoCESjVPcdTvfy1scJiJHWDdgymarXjaN1X: Post http://[fc3d:9a4e:3c96:2fd2:1afa:18fe:8dd2:b602]:5001/api/v0/refs?arg=/ipfs/QmfBqPdZnTeDoCESjVPcdTvfy1scJiJHWDdgymarXjaN1X&encoding=json&stream-channels=true&r=true&: dial tcp [fc3d:9a4e:3c96:2fd2:1afa:18fe:8dd2:b602]:5001: getsockopt: connection timed out
<eris>
What exactly is the format of the current location in the web UI?
<eris>
There's a number in there that I can't make sense of.
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<musicmatze>
hi
<musicmatze>
I'm not sure I understand what IPFS is... can someone explain it to me (maybe even in german via a /q)? I've alread read the website and watched some talks on youtube... and I understand the basic idea... but I have questions :-)
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<eris>
It's /essentially/ just a way to distribute files.
<musicmatze>
so if I understand things correctly, as soon as I put something into ipfs, everyone can fetch the data?
<musicmatze>
but the data is still stored on my "node" until someone fetches the data to their node?
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<eris>
Yeah.
<musicmatze>
and what happens if my "node" goes offline (assume its my notebook) ... also - what about firewalls? And me getting a new IP every other day?
<musicmatze>
how does this work?
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<achin>
are you familiar with bittorrent, musicmatze ?
<eris>
musicmatze: If your node goes offline and no other node is serving the file, no one can of course get it until it gets online again.
<musicmatze>
yes, but not from a technical perspective... just from a users perspective
<eris>
... They can't get the file?
<musicmatze>
eris: but how to know whether it is online again if I changed my IP in between (because I shipped my notebook to another place for example...)
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<achin>
well, in bittorrent, when there is no one seeding the file, that's like the case in IPFS when every node which has the file, is offline
<eris>
DHT
<achin>
your IPFS node has an identifier that sticks with it, even after your IP address changes
<musicmatze>
achin: ah, okay.
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<musicmatze>
can one find out who distriubted a file in the first place?
<musicmatze>
because if not, this has (from what I see by now, ofc) a huge potential for (legal and illegal) file sharing... doesn't it?
<achin>
you can see which node claims to be providing a block of data
<achin>
but you cannot know if that node was the original provider
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<musicmatze>
And how do updates work? I mean... I saw that there are web applications served via IPFS - what if an application gets updated - as far as I understand it is the hash->file reference immutable... so an update would result in a new hash... how does this get distributed? If I understand correctly, it would take some time until all users switch to the new application and the old one gets "forgotten" - isn't this
<musicmatze>
problematic with security updates?
<achin>
the new hash would probably be distsributed by IPNS
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<achin>
which is the mutable part of ipfs
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<achin>
an application could check for updates every day, for example, and give a notice or warning to the user if a security update was made
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<musicmatze>
that would cover security issues where the user is the target, but not where the application is the target (privilege escalation and such things)
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<achin>
i'm not sure what you mean
<musicmatze>
if you want to break into the users environment, to get $things, you can use a buggy application somehow... if you want to break into the application to do harm, you can use the old version which is not updated because of the immutability... (I'm not sure whether this is a scenario at all... just guessing around)
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<achin>
so in this scenario, you would want all users to stop using the old version, right?
<musicmatze>
yes.
<musicmatze>
even more - you don't want to have the old version available anymore...
<achin>
you would have to specifically programm your application to not run unless it was the latest version
<musicmatze>
hm... fair enough, that sounds like a good advice then, yes.
<musicmatze>
all this is really interesting, really! :-)
<achin>
it is!
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<musicmatze>
I will see whether I have some time in the future to play around with IPFS, maybe even dig into it and hold a talk at my local linux users group in the upcoming semester! :-)
<achin>
it's pretty easy to get set up and running, you should try it out
<musicmatze>
as soon as the cloud in my uni is up again I will spin up a VM and play around with it...
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<musicmatze>
aaand there is the cloud :-) I just started a debian VM and will play with ipfs now! :-) awesome!
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<achin>
fun!
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<lgierth>
NeoTeo: thanks for /docs/install heads up, fixing
<NeoTeo>
@lgierth np, great to see 0.4.3 released \o/
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<lgierth>
:)
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<kulelu88>
Hello
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<kulelu88>
how is IPFS different to bigchainDB?
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<voxelot>
hey kulelu88: bigchainDB bring characterstics of the blockchain to a bigdata type distributed database
<voxelot>
you can think of it like the distributed leveldb to the ipfs filesystem
<kulelu88>
levelDB? is that a distributed DB built on top of ipfs?
<voxelot>
no that was analogy to a non distributed stack
<kulelu88>
let me try phrasing the question in a little easier fashion. When would I use IPFS and when would I use bigchainDB?
<voxelot>
that's a really good question, I think that is application specific and finding a way to have them sit side by side in a distributed stack is still an open question ready for prototypes, not sure
<kulelu88>
I wanted to use bigchainDB to build a prototype of a distributed PGP-key server, but I am open to evaluating different approaches to achieve that goal