<dignifiedquire>
it was much easier with template strings than I expected :)
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<ArcWarden>
Anyone here with extensive knowledge on the ipfs-libp2p-nodejs library on github?
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<lgierth>
dawuud Kubuxu: someone made a PR against go-libp2p-transport yesterday i think
<Kubuxu>
yup
<dawuud>
Kubuxu: roger roger acknowledged
<dawuud>
i need my gx go-libp2p-transport hash to point to a version where go-multiaddr has the multiaddr to string conversion for onion addresses
<ArcWarden>
daviddias jbenet kubuxu Igierth wanted your opinion on how viable it is to use ipfs-libp2p-nodejs library for building a decentralized chat application? I have checked out Orbit that uses IPFS
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<dawuud>
lgierth: Kubuxu: jbenet: whyrusleeping: so... to fix this problem would i have to "publish" these versions of go-libp2p-transport and go-multiaddr on an ipfs storage server and then the hash is used by gx when it populates the local cache?
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<dawuud>
i'm convinced that because i do not understand how to use the gx vendoring software you wrote that it's preventing me from making progress on the ipfs tor onion transport
<dawuud>
progress is blocked
<Kubuxu>
dawuud: you need to publish your versions to gx
<Kubuxu>
you can use your own ipfs daemon for it
<Kubuxu>
and then use gx update [HASH] and gx-go rewrite
<nskelsey>
anybody got a map of the ipfs network? something like getaddr.bitnodes would be super cool to see?
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<dawuud>
hmm ok thanks
<dawuud>
i'll try to do that
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<kenshyx>
hello :), any ideas how to change config value Addresses.Swarm using js-ipfs-api?
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<lgierth>
whyrusleeping Kubuxu dawuud: what i think would be useful is a gx command which updates a dependency anywhere in the deps graph to a given hash, and bubbles up the changes
<keks>
yes
<keks>
yesyesyes
<lgierth>
it could even create pull requests based off .gx/lastpubver and dvcsimport
<keks>
(if dvcsimport is set correctly *cough*)
<lgierth>
yeah well
<lgierth>
that's just a tooling problem -- warn if it's not set
<keks>
what i mean is it is occasionnaly set wrong
<chriscool>
then I did something like "ln -s src/cli/bin.js test/bin/ipfs"
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<daviddias>
chriscool: could you do
<chriscool>
and I started to get this kind of errors but after some time I did a "npm install" in "js-ipfs/" and it is going well now
<daviddias>
npm -v
<daviddias>
node -v
<chriscool>
> node -v
<chriscool>
v4.2.6
<keks>
what is gx update --with-deps?
<chriscool>
> npm -v
<chriscool>
3.5.2
<keks>
lgierth:
<keks>
Kubuxu:
<daviddias>
chriscool: ok, so it should work
<Kubuxu>
keks: no idea :P
<keks>
sounds like what we want
<chriscool>
yeah I think it works now
<chriscool>
but it is not very clear in the README how to use the development version
<keks>
oh no, i see
<Kubuxu>
keks: looks like it
<keks>
well, not quite
<Kubuxu>
problem is: it doesn't give you the changed repos
<Kubuxu>
only hashes
<keks>
but going from hash to repo name is easy
<Kubuxu>
I mean, physical files which you can PR and so on.
<keks>
lgierth wants to update all packages in GOPATH, but --with-deps seems to update one anchor packet and all its dependencies. if you have several anchor points, this might get tiresome
<keks>
like the import path or a github url?
<keks>
aah
<keks>
i see
<keks>
i don't think that's what lgierth suggested
<twistedline_>
I work at a large Museum, interested in looking at IPFS to store a lot of digital assets. Today, how well do you think it would work and realistically what hardware would we need, storage aside. Probably ~200TB worth of images, maybe 10million files.
<achin>
i am pretty certain that no one has attempted to add that much data to IPFS. this would be uncharted territory i believe
<achin>
there are some issues with IPFS at the moment, for example adding a directory with a massive number of links
<achin>
depending on how you organize your data, this may or may not be a problem for you. but i would not be surprised is other issues might crop up, that only appear on massive datasets (and so would be undiscovered issues)
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<achin>
if you wanted to move forward with this, i bet the IPFS team would love to work with you and get some experience with something this size
<twistedline_>
data is very organized, the thing we like about it that we can link to something in a publication and that link to have some kind of permanency
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<achin>
to get the permanecy, of course, you would need to commit to running a permenant IPFS node that will host this data
<lgierth>
twistedline_: have you had a chance to talk to mediachain/mine? they work with many museums and the like to store stuff on ipfs
<twistedline_>
looks like metachain uses ipfs in the stack
<lgierth>
yeah that's why i'm mentioning it ;)
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<twistedline_>
do you work for them?
<lgierth>
i work for protocol labs, we're producing ipfs together with the community
<lgierth>
i was just mentioning mediachain because you said you're working with a museum and they do to
<lgierth>
it definitely makes sense to give ipfs on its own a try
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<twistedline_>
yeah, I may just stand it up and try pumping stuff into it
<lgierth>
with go-ipfs 0.5.0 we'll have full support for IPLD (interplanetary linked data, http://ipld.io)
<dawuud>
lgierth: glad to hear you are also going to write a transport. yeah my transport only needed those few packages go-multiaddr etc
<lgierth>
dawuud: mine will be a bit special because UDP is, well, not connection-oriented :) it's likely gonna be ReadFrom()/WriteTo() interface all the way through the stack. unless i can somehow fit it into the connection/stream abstraction
<dawuud>
but it requires certain versions of those packages and i'm not sure which commit id of the go-libp2p-transport
<dawuud>
go-libp2p-transport doesn't build fo me
<dawuud>
i'm sure this is because it needs it's deps to be vendored into the gopath or something
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<lgierth>
dawuud: is it because of the jbenet/multiaddr != multiformats/multiaddr?
<lgierth>
i'm gonna fix that in a few minutes and bubble the changes up to go-ipfs
<lgierth>
and i have a proposal for gx tooling for this scenario
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<Sandi_>
Hi everybody! I did ipfs swarm peers and got tons of connections. But none of them responds to ipfs ls. They can be pinged. Is it because none of them have public files? Sorry, I'm very new.
<lgierth>
Sandi_: it doesn't matter on which node an object resides
<lgierth>
you only need its hash
<lgierth>
the hashes in the addresses printed by `ipfs swarm peers` are not object hashes, they're peer IDs
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<lgierth>
(peer ID = hash of the public key of that node, for encryption/signing)
<Sandi_>
Ooooh, makes sense
<Sandi_>
So it's like the deep web, I've gotta get the hashes somehow?
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<lgierth>
oh and the peer IDs are also used for IPNS -- each node can publish an object at /ipns/<peerid>
<lgierth>
Sandi_: you can "scan" the network to a certain degree
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<lgierth>
but yeah you need some entry point, just with the regular web
<lgierth>
i don't even agree there's a regular web / deep web distinction :)
<Sandi_>
Thank you so much! I'm very excited about this!
<lgierth>
(i mean't "just like with the regular web" above)
<lgierth>
you can get a hash of the ipfs website by looking at the DNS records for ipfs.io, btw
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<lgierth>
`dig TXT ipfs.io` shows you a dnslink=/ipfs/<hash> record
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<lgierth>
and yeah that's how all the web works. a web is just a collective of things pointing at each other via links. you enter somewhere and follow the links
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<lgierth>
except for things like facebook which try to give you the impression that anything outside of facebook is not the internet, and somehow dangerous
<Sandi_>
Yeah, you're right about the deep web distinction. I get it. IPFS would be the same as regular web if it had a search engine, right? The same in terms of "I don't need to dig for links/hashes".
<lgierth>
yeah! search engines can actually be done on ipfs
<lgierth>
it's not easy of course, and there's nothing concrete yet, but pretty good ideas
<Sandi_>
When I go to ipfs.io/ipfs/<hash>, it's actually the server hosting ipfs.io fetching <hash> from ipfs and delivering it to me via http, right? So it's not actually using ipfs. I'm doing that with ipfs cat and such.
<lgierth>
the thing that awnsers the http request is go-ipfs
<lgierth>
same thing you run locally, and you get the same http-to-ipfs gateway on localhost:8080
<lgierth>
(there is nginx in front of it on ipfs.io just for the ssl)
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<lgierth>
the dht has recently been extracted to its own gx package
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<lgierth>
nice find voxelot :)
<voxelot>
ahh cool ty
<lgierth>
so it's `grep handleAddProvider`
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<Sandi_>
A newbie question that's been bugging me: What happens if no one online has a certain file?
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<lgierth>
it'll hang and wait
<lgierth>
you can specify a timeout but by default it'll look until it finds a provider
<Sandi_>
So like a torrent with no seeders? It's gone.
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<lgierth>
filecoin will incentivize adding storage to the network
<lgierth>
one will be able to pay "the network" a few coins to pin specific pages of wikipedia, for example
<Sandi_>
I saw that yeah, so cool
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<Sandi_>
Me and a few friends want a tiny private forum for amongst ourselves. Maybe it will grow to a hundred people maximum. But we're too cheap to pay for hosting. IPFS would be applicable, right? From what I understand it's perfect.
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<voxelot>
Sandi_: one interesting thing you could try instead of paying normal hosting fees, or even lowered decentralized filecoin fees to keep your networks data alive is assume at least one person in your network will always be online at any given time and replicate your data
<voxelot>
Hopefully soon with libp2p it'll be easy to set up custom p2p systems for private forums
<Sandi_>
voxelot: Sadly I do not think we can ensure that. If we all lend some space on our PCs for filecoin we might get enough to host the forum. That would be free.
<Sandi_>
Ah, we'll see.
<voxelot>
yeah that is interesting, you could farm out enough filecoin before launching the app and then rent out some space on the ipfs network, and keep funding your forum while you are using it
<Sandi_>
Yes. Anyhow, thank you so much for all the answers, y'all! I'll be off now.