<pinbot>
[host 4] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmQfeKxQtBN721pekQh6Jq24adFUjnU65YdY3GNczfuG2T: Post http://[fc3d:9a4e:3c96:2fd2:1afa:18fe:8dd2:b602]:5001/api/v0/refs?arg=/ipfs/QmQfeKxQtBN721pekQh6Jq24adFUjnU65YdY3GNczfuG2T&encoding=json&stream-channels=true&r=true&: dial tcp [fc3d:9a4e:3c96:2fd2:1afa:18fe:8dd2:b602]:5001: getsockopt: connection timed out
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<whyrusleeping>
zignig: you always start chatting with me when i'm falling asleep
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<zignig>
whyrusleeping: hehe
<zignig>
GMT+8
<zignig>
i'm out of rotation...
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<whyrusleeping>
yeah... youre almost exactly on the other side of the world
<whyrusleeping>
i'm generally GMT-7
<zignig>
shall we both start tunneling now ?
<zignig>
might get a bit MAGMA coated.
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<whyrusleeping>
just a tad, lol
<zignig>
so i've got some code that uses github.com/weavemesh/mesh
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<zignig>
if then gets the hash of /share in mfs and broadcasts it to all the other nodes.
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<zignig>
it needs heaps of work but if I then add the shares on each node I get a replication of all the servers in the mesh.
<Mateon1>
whyrusleeping: I recently thought about refactoring go-ipfs's bash scripts to allow testing. This would involve moving functions from scripts to separate files, and would help prevent and find bugs like #3133 (release candidate version check)
<Mateon1>
Should I make an issue about it? Should I do it now, or should I wait until my fix gets merged?
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<Mateon1>
Actually, my fix only changed one file, since the same function was duplicated between multiple scripts..
<Mateon1>
Let me fix that
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<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: definitely file an issue
<whyrusleeping>
if you want to wait until your PR gets merged, i can try and get that in today
<Mateon1>
Oops, I broke the build...
<whyrusleeping>
lol
<Mateon1>
Why does CircleCI not have a 'source', though...
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<victorbjelkholm>
Mateon1, what are you looking for? The source that the build happened with?
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<Mateon1>
victorbjelkholm: No, the build failed due to a missing 'source' command. That executes a script from another file. This should have deduplicated 2 instances of the same version check code, but it broke on Circle
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<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: you broke the things
<Mateon1>
Oh, I get it. 'source' is a modern name for the . command. I did try to reproduce this in sh
<Mateon1>
whyrusleeping: Yep, in basic 'sh' it's not 'source', but '.'
<victorbjelkholm>
Mateon1, yeah, seems it's running in sh, not bash
<Mateon1>
whyrusleeping: I think that means I have to squash the commits, to avoid a failing commit on master
<Mateon1>
Okay, this issue is way less Googleable.
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<victorbjelkholm>
any ideas on how to run a single test in js-ipfs? daviddias dignifiedquire
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<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: a single test?
<daviddias>
from the test suite?
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, yeah, like I only want to run http-api/interface-ipfs-core-over-ipfs-api/test-object.js instead of all the http-api tests
<daviddias>
doing mocha path-to-test should work for the core tests
<richardlitt>
daviddias: what is shams name on IRC?
<victorbjelkholm>
ah, tried npm run test:node:http <path> but I'll try to invoke mocha directly instead, thanks daviddias
<daviddias>
for those, you can just to mocha path-to-test
<daviddias>
but better do mocha -t 60000 path-to-test
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: have you done any investigation into the websocket stuff?
<dignifiedquire>
otherwise will be doing that now
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: not yet, are you looking at it?
<daviddias>
thank you! :)
<dignifiedquire>
:)
<dignifiedquire>
getting closer and closer :)
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<Mateon1>
This is frustrating, the only linux machine I have at the moment is a raspberry pi, where the latest Go version is 1.0.2, which doesn't have the proper format for version checking.
<richardlitt>
If anyone sees shamb0t, let me know!
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<lgierth>
shamb0t best b0t
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<ansuz>
ohai lgierth
<ansuz>
what happened re: bbc?
<lgierth>
they were finished with the first interviewee and then someone with a "crew" t-shirt had to do a "crew" thing
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<gamemanj>
how do we know you haven't actually been... replaced by a BBC-controlled clone!
<Mateon1>
It's alive! I can finally say I'm done with the PR. Circle passed the point of 'make deps'
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<ansuz>
this is the real lgierth
<ansuz>
bbc can't even fact-check, how are they supposed to clone?
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<gamemanj>
ansuz: But the real question is, are they incapable of fact-checking, or simply don't want to?
<ansuz>
all signs point to yes
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<sadadsa>
hey guys, anyone around..?
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: reviewed js-multibase
<sadadsa>
I'm pushing in my company to copy the way you guys discuss things on github, I'm wondering if there's any other groups that use it similarly to the way you do?
<daviddias>
thank you :)
<lgierth>
sadadsa: rust is doing a pretty good job too
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, so, seems like files adding is working now, I'll push the work in a bit. Quick Q though, seems some `cat` stuff is not working and tests are failing. That should not be part of the same PR right?
<sadadsa>
lgierth: thanks! love the work you guys are doing
<lgierth>
<3
<lgierth>
sadadsa: and golang of course
<sadadsa>
I finally started a golang job about a month ago.. very happy
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<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: got it, it might have run before and it was used through the CLI, but might not have been as compliant
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, yeah, I started working on getting interface-ipfs-core passing, stuck on cat. I'll finish the files add, push the work and then see if I can figure out what happens with cat
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<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, is there a way I can skip tests from interface-ipfs-core? both cat and add are in the same files.js test, but cat is not working, and out of scope for the adding...
* kiwano
wonders what's with all the M- and [m] nicks; some sort of client/gateway that's populr in this channel (and virtually unheard of elsewhere)?
<M-oddvar>
this channel is linked to a matrix room (matrix.org)
<daviddias>
inside node_modules/interface-ipfs-core/lib (<-- note that it is lib and not src)
<kiwano>
ok, that'd explain it
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, I'm thinking when updating the PR https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/pull/323 so I don't commit stuff that I know won't pass the build...
<M-oddvar>
the M users are "ghost" users created by the irc bridge
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, yeah, did that when developing...
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<kiwano>
so i just set up a node and was wondering if there's a mechanism by which my daughter would be able to use a node id, key, and ipns namespace of her own on my daemon, without having to run multiple instances of the server?
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<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: let's get cat fixed on that PR then (it is part of getting the tests to pass)
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, all right :) On it!
<daviddias>
thank you :)
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<gamemanj>
kiwano: So basically, what you're talking about is the ability to use alternate private keys?
<gamemanj>
kiwano: Because the last time I suggested that (for different reasons - applications may have their own keys for blockchain-like functions) they pointed me at the "keyring" system*.
<gamemanj>
*keyring system may or may not be implemented yet.
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<gamemanj>
*in fact, come to think of it, when did I send that PR which got rejected because of keyring?
<gamemanj>
Oh, apparently it's "keystore".
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<kiwano>
gamemanj: are there any docs for the keystore system?
<gamemanj>
kiwano: I'm not even sure if it exists .
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<kiwano>
gamemanj: wow, yeah, i dug around and it looks like the spec has been around for about a year and a half, and there still isn't a single line of code
<kiwano>
was the code that you PR'ed reasonably compatible with the spec?
<gamemanj>
No.
<gamemanj>
It was a command line option to the IPNS publish command that would at least let you publish to an alternate private key. Yes, could have been implemented better, but surely the idea was worth something,
<gamemanj>
rather than waiting endlessly for a feature that will never come...
<kiwano>
yeah, youre feature sounds more like what i wanted than what was in the spec anyway
<gamemanj>
Well, there's the obvious security implications of the command line in particular.
<kiwano>
i don't want my node holding on to my daughter's private key, but i do want her to be able to publish a file to her namespace through it
<gamemanj>
Well, that in itself would need a different feature
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<gamemanj>
like, you'd have her send a signed IPNS record or something
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<gamemanj>
but of course that would mean she'd have to have the IPFS software available to sign the record.
<gamemanj>
Also, IPNS records have a habit of... disappearing , after 24 hours or so.
<gamemanj>
I forget what the precise limit was.
<gamemanj>
I'm pretty sure there's an expiry date setting somewhere in there,
<gamemanj>
but who knows.
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<kiwano>
yeah, the feature i was thinking was more along the lines of a list of node ids whose participation in the network from which blocks should be accepted, and not sent to, and whose good-faith participation in the network should be ignored by my node
<gamemanj>
Yeah... that's not going to happen. You could try something like the pinbot approach, though. She hosts it on a local node, then tells your node to pin the file.
<gamemanj>
Via some mechanism that you construct.
<gamemanj>
But that's just to get files pinned.
<gamemanj>
Then you have to get the IPNS record out, and that's where things become difficult, because you have to make sure the IPNS record stays in your node's memory.
<gamemanj>
And I'm not even sure how well that would work.
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<kiwano>
i mean my ideal circumstance is that i have the necessary TXT record in my dns that she could just use ipfs to be able to publish a file to /ipns/herSubdomain.myDomain.org/filename and be able to grab it off of one of the web gateways
<kiwano>
from a friend's house
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<kiwano>
and have it be a bit more fault-tolerant than the server that's running the ipfs node
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<gamemanj>
Well, you do actually have to try and convince nodes to store your content if you want to try and use IPFS for fault tolerance.
<gamemanj>
It's not magical free hosting :)
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<Mateon1>
It's not free hosting, but it reduces server requirements such that a Raspberry Pi could host a website (if we could actually compile it on a raspi, the Go package is ancient [1.0.2] in Raspbian)
<gamemanj>
Mateon1: In Raspbian.
<gamemanj>
Mateon1: That being the key note.
<Mateon1>
Hm, are there ARM binaries?
<gamemanj>
Mateon1: And since Go executables are (apparently, I got one working on Android that was compiled on an RPi) statically linked, it should be pretty easy to get it anywhere.
<gamemanj>
If there are ARM binaries or not isn't really of consequence.
<Mateon1>
Well, it would save me a bunch of hassle, so it is.
<gamemanj>
They can be produced. Via emulation if need be.
<Mateon1>
I'll look into cross-compilation
<gamemanj>
I'll look into connecting to my Raspberry Pi.
<Mateon1>
And whether you need some fancy special compiler for that, or if the default Go package is enough
<gamemanj>
For cross-compile? Probably...
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<gamemanj>
let's see... Is Go version 1.6.3 good enough?
<gamemanj>
Oh. Apparently not.
<gamemanj>
System update time it is.
<kiwano>
gamemanj: in theory, i'd be accepting enough blocks from other nodes to convince those nodes to take my daughter's blocks
<gamemanj>
kiwano: I really do wonder sometimes if they should make BitSwap into a casual game.
<gamemanj>
Like Subterfuge. Or The Sims Freeplay.
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<kiwano>
i mean i've got a node running with a 10GB storage limit, and am not expecting to publish more than a couple dozen MB
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<gamemanj>
The issue is that BitSwap, if I read the paper correctly, works based on what other nodes want , not what you want to give them.
<gamemanj>
The easiest solution, of course, is to trick other nodes into wanting your blocks.
<gamemanj>
They then cache it, by nature.
<gamemanj>
Luckily, there is a very easy vector for this. The web gateway.
<kiwano>
so roughly speaking, web requests will generate interest from the web gateway in getting (and storing) my blocks
<gamemanj>
That's my theory, anyway.
<kiwano>
so if my daughter's published a file consisting of, say "where's my dad, and how do i reach him over the next 2 weeks while he's away from home"
<kiwano>
and she just requests it from the gateway a bunch of times before i go
<gamemanj>
Keep in mind that how long it sticks around in cache is dependant on the caching algorithm.
<kiwano>
then she can still get my contact information if the reason she wants to get a hold of me is, say "the server's down, and i can't read my email and i need it for school"
<gamemanj>
Also, if she requests it >1 time, then her node will cache it, and all further requests will be local.
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<gamemanj>
Well, I suppose if it's via the web gateway, but then the gateway's caching it.
<gamemanj>
Point is, it's a bit difficult to trigger continuous network storage, and that's because it's basically freeloading off of the IPFS cache system to hold your data, which isn't a... what's the word...
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<gamemanj>
...Sustainable proposition.
<Mateon1>
Wow, that was relatively painless
<Mateon1>
Go has the easiest cross-compiling system in any compiler I've seen so far
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<gamemanj>
Mateon1: Well, that makes my "hard work" updating the system (I'm just watching a terminal) a waste of time.
<gamemanj>
I congratulate you for encouraging good system update habits everywhere!
<gamemanj>
Insert emoji of thumbs up.
<kiwano>
yeah, i just have a problem with the idea that hoping for 3x redundancy, when i'm allocating 400x storage for the rest of the network to be able to use, is somehow freeloading or unsustainable
<gamemanj>
I think what you were looking for was filecoin, but I don't think it ever actually happened.
<gamemanj>
Filecoin would probably have implemented what you were looking for, though.
<gamemanj>
"you store this and I'll store that"
<kiwano>
yeah, there seems to be a lot of vapour in this space :P
<Mateon1>
gamemanj: More like: "I'll pay you this if you store that"
<gamemanj>
IPFS is more request-oriented, "if you give me this, I'll give you that"
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<kiwano>
the thing is that i have no interest in running up a balance or anything
<Mateon1>
I was hoping to donate a bunch of space to Filecoin once it becomes a thing, but I am currently nearly out of space on my 2 TB harddrive
<Mateon1>
So I need an upgrade first
<gamemanj>
Well, in theory with Filecoin, if it had ever been implemented, as long as you were storing more or equal to what you wanted others to store, you'd be fine.
<gamemanj>
At least, I think that was the idea, anyway.
<Mateon1>
If the idea of "storage farms" for Filecoin mining becomes a thing, it should be incredibly cheap
<kiwano>
i get the sense that ethereum swarm is a similar instance of vapour to filecoin :P
<ekleog>
something looks wrong with filecoin, to me: people would want to give disk space, but often what you actually want is mostly people giving bandwidth, because storing without sharing sounds useless
<ekleog>
"give"
<gamemanj>
ekleog: It's not just bandwidth, though. The data needs to come from somewhere. It's like the situation kiwano mentions.
<kiwano>
yeah, i have a situation where my disk and bandwidth are, for my own purposes, essentially infinite
<Mateon1>
ekleog: The proof of availability in the whitepaper might fulfill that purpose
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<ekleog>
gamemanj: yeah, but you'd need both in what I mean
<kiwano>
i'm hosting vservers for a bunch of monks largely because i can (and because they'll give me basically no grief if my server goes down)
<gamemanj>
ekleog: Accessibility is certainly a requirement, but the speed isn't too much of an issue.
<Mateon1>
kiwano: That kind of stuff makes me want to have a static IP
<gamemanj>
I mean, why were tape backups invented? :)
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<kiwano>
Mateon1: i have a /28 :)
<ekleog>
Mateon1: you have to take care that the file is effectively sent to normal people, not only to checkers of availability
<Mateon1>
kiwano: Cool :) Unfortunately, for my ISP, requesting a static IP is reserved for businesses
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<kiwano>
but just the other week, some asshat in the datacentre's tech services offlined one of the UPSes and took down half the gear in the suite i was in
<kiwano>
(well less than half since some of the gear has redundant power)
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<gamemanj>
datacentre
<ekleog>
kiwano: you have your own AS? that's not exactly what everyone has
<kiwano>
it's not really mine, it belongs to the guy whose rack my server lives in
<kiwano>
he's just allocated a /28 worth of it to me
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<gamemanj>
Stiill. I believe you have upstaged RX14 on the "ladder of people having computing resources".
<kiwano>
and yeah, i know my case is a bit unusual there
<Mateon1>
Also, it's nearly 2017, and my ISP doesn't support IPv6. I'm not sure how common that still is.
<kiwano>
i live on a sailboat, so it's not like i could have anything even remotely resembling reliability on a home internet server
<gamemanj>
Mateon1: hello from ipv4 land
<kiwano>
my hosting provider still doesn't have any v6 AS
<gamemanj>
Mateon1: we drink tea here
<kiwano>
so i don't
<gamemanj>
Mateon1: we like tea
<kiwano>
mmmmmm tea
<Mateon1>
gamemanj: Well, I'm from a country famous for alcohol.. So Tea and Vodka
* kiwano
sweetens his tea with maple syrup
<gamemanj>
... maple syrup ?
<gamemanj>
In tea ?
<gamemanj>
I'm not sure if I should call it an abomination, genius idea, or both.
<Mateon1>
I've never actually had maple syrup. I wonder how it compares to honey.
<Mateon1>
I've had honey tea a few times - delicious
<kiwano>
really it was just my nationalistic follow-up to Mateon1's vodka
<gamemanj>
Uh... I don't know that one.
<kiwano>
though sometimes i like to make a nice thick mexican drinking chocolate, and sweeten that with maple syrup instead of cane sugar
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<gamemanj>
Aha! So Mexico, not Canada. See, I knew I didn't know this.
<kiwano>
nah, i'm in canada, i just import my chocolate :)
<kiwano>
for some reason the cocoa trees don't grow particularly well around here :P
<gamemanj>
Well, at least it's not maple syrup and cane sugar
<gamemanj>
That would be so sweet, you'd... what happens when someone eats something so sweet, it overflows and hits unsweet again?
<Mateon1>
gamemanj: I don't think that happens with sugar... just strong sweeteners
<gamemanj>
...I was kidding.
<gamemanj>
I didn't actually think such a thing could occur. And now you've told me that it could theoretically occur with strong sweeteners.
<gamemanj>
I need to go looking for fallen lightbulbs.
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<Mateon1>
lol
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<Mateon1>
Well, I have experienced it with stevia leaf concentrate and some artificial sweetener I forgot the name of.
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* kiwano
starts thinking of the neurology of taste perception, and wonders how that might work
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<gamemanj>
Oh. Apparently there's an ARM go-ipfs binary package.
<gamemanj>
Additional note. IPFS is... not a package on my system??? Or go-ipfs. It's apparently a binary I dropped in /usr/local/bin. Well, no need for Go, that's 160MiB saved, and worth it if you know my disk space issues.
<gamemanj>
So that explains a lot.
<gamemanj>
It also suggests I should not be trusted to administrate my Raspberry Pi.
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<Mateon1>
Wow, I just thrashed my raspberry pi
<Mateon1>
Is it possible to set a lower GC ceiling?
<Mateon1>
It doesn't seem to collect even after a ~700 megabytes of RAM are used
<Mateon1>
My Pi has 1 gigabyte...
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<jedahan>
Mateon1 have you changed the graphics memory split to be the smallest allocated amount towards video memory?
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<Mateon1>
Ah, jedahan left.
<Mateon1>
But yes, almost. I kept a very small bit of video ram on the pi, this isn't the issue