lgierth changed the topic of #ipfs to: Please try out Release Candidate 4 of go-ipfs v0.4.3: https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs/v0.4.3-rc4 -- IPFS - InterPlanetary File System -- https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs -- FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 -- Channel logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ -- Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0 -- Sprints: https://git.io/voEAh
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<whyrusleeping> achin: yeah, pretty much
<whyrusleeping> he has an unpin command too
<achin> disk space is probably cheaper than the brainpower to rememeber to unpin old stuff
<daviddias> victorbjelkholm: sweet! :D
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<wak-work> it would be nice if you could set a TTL
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<wak-work> to at least be kinda friendly diskspace wise
<wak-work> it would be cool if ipfs had that anyway
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<achin> there's a new github issues with similar feature requests
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<achin> s/new/few/
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: are you still up?
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: if you are, would like to get a quick comment on this: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/pull/489#issuecomment-247241264
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<daviddias> sure
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<JesseW> It'd be nice to dump http://netlib.sandia.gov onto IPFS. It doesn't seem to be available yet
<JesseW> What's the current status/ETA for go-ipfs being able to serve files in-place (i.e. point it at a downloaded torrent, and it will make it available over ipfs, without making a new copy or otherwise messing with the original files)?
<JesseW> (this should probably be an FAQ)
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<JesseW> ah, this looks like the FAQ entry for this: https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/62
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: releasing js-ipfs-api, ci is happy
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<zignig> dignifiedquire: keep up the good work. :)
<dignifiedquire> thanks zignig :) trying my best
<zignig> dignifiedquire: getting a web / nodejs lib for ipfs will help with the coming galatic domination !
<zignig> looking forward to pub-sub-hub-wub-wub landing too.
<zignig> once there is broadcast/subsription channels many more cool things are possible.
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: do eeet
<daviddias> :D
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: ^^
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<daviddias> oh :(
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<daviddias> why is node-forge complaining, not being shimmed properly?
<dignifiedquire> yeah, looks like I missed sth there in the shim config, trying to fix this first before I do tha releases
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<dignifiedquire> aand fixed :)
<dignifiedquire> was just missing the shim
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: aand it is out: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-api/releases/tag/v9.0.0
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<chriscool> Hi everyone!
<chriscool> daviddias: are you still around NYC?
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, awesomeness!
<jbenet> chriscool: yes, he is. he just went to sleep. (im about to go too)
<chriscool> jbenet: ok thanks! I will catch up with him later
<dignifiedquire> :D did he finally manage to go to sleep
<dignifiedquire> I bet whyrusleeping had to drag him
<keks> which is funny given the name
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<dignifiedquire> victorbjelkholm: are you around?
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<keks> a question for the go people: libp2p-transport.Listener and manet.Listener seem to be competing interfaces and are very similar. is this an accident of history or do they serve different purposes? is it worthwhile to implement both?
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<aggelos_> so btw, there seems to be an ipfs community in berlin?
<aggelos_> will be there next week, wondering if something will be going on
<keks> i'm not sure where the ipfs people hang in berlin, but i enjoyed visiting c-base
<keks> but i guess that already was on the list ;)
<keks> aggelos_:
<dignifiedquire> victorbjelkholm: have you started working on https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/issues/229 yet? otherwise I would do it now
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, yeah, I'm around!
<victorbjelkholm> sorry
<dignifiedquire> no problem :)
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, I have not, feel free to take
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<dignifiedquire> alright will do :)
<aggelos_> keks: hey I'm not into geek tourism, just going there to see some friends. I've lived there in the past :-)
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, I did manage to get the browser tests to run in buildkite though! https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmQSw7Eojm8fVfTSf5R3KD7uRBTo1rJ4ffXu88eFTkEsN6
<victorbjelkholm> take long time to run, but works nicely
<victorbjelkholm> runs in parallel with the node tests, which is nice as well
<dignifiedquire> nice
<victorbjelkholm> the setup for browser tests is not ideal though, in the future should be able to run selenium hub instead of karma launching the browsers
<victorbjelkholm> but good enough for now
<keks> aggelos_: hehe, i see. have fun then!
<dignifiedquire> I actually want to move to using saucelabs so we get better browser coverage
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<dignifiedquire> that's not super fast, but would give us nice browser badges and we can be certain things work across different browsers
<victorbjelkholm> it's very expensive for a small benefit, probably be more beneficiary if we run our own hub
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, BuildKite can give you that as well, as long as we setup the pipelines correctly
<dignifiedquire> sauce labs is free for open source
<dignifiedquire> so not expensive at all
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, and how many concurrent sessions we get then?
<dignifiedquire> I think 3
<victorbjelkholm> hm, so like a free mini-plan
<dignifiedquire> yeah, which would be enough for now, I would just run on all major browsers on the latest versions
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<victorbjelkholm> enough for now, agree
<aggelos_> so I saw someone mentioning a wikipedia-on-ipfs project at some point but dunno any details
<aggelos_> what's the idea there? clearly one can't have circular links, so...
<aggelos_> is there a generic proposal for how to handle circularity when you can't or don't want to go through ipns?
<keks> you could use append-only logs, which would fit wikis quite well imho
<keks> like a git history
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<aggelos_> keks: so you need rich client functionality to create the page out of the log?
<keks> or you find a clever way do cache it
<keks> maybe using cosi to verify that peers don't lie to you http://dedis.cs.yale.edu/dissent/papers/witness-abs
<keks> aggelos_:
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<aggelos_> keks: that's not really solving the circularity "issue" at all
<aggelos_> but you can have the links be non-circular and always point to the previous version
<aggelos_> I was wondering if it would make sense to have a 'deep' directory type
<achin> aggelos_: you can have "circular links" in a way by refering to urls like "foo.html"
<achin> that is, urls relative to the current directory or hash
<aggelos_> oh hmm
<aggelos_> so this could work in a totally flat hierarchy
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<aggelos_> but if your client has the concept of a current directory, then why not a parent directory too?
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<achin> sure, it does. so you can link to "../../foo.html" just as easily
<achin> which is actualy what the wikispecis-on-ipfs demo did. but i'm sorry i don't have that link/data around anymore to show you
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<keks> when you refer to a page, you simple refer to the initial commit (which is the canonical id of a page) and then apply the changes
<keks> *simply
<achin> actually, i wonder if i have this wikispecies mirror somewhere in my zfs snapshots...
<keks> one of these changes may be that you add a link to a page that links to you. the canonical id never changes and thus provides you with the ability to do circular links
<victorbjelkholm> meh, travis is trash. I'm working from a branch in my repo and in a PR to the upstream repo. I accidently pushed to upstream repo once, deleted the branch shortly after, and now Travis is trying to use the upstream branch instead of from my fork. Oh god...
<aggelos_> keks: ok, thanks for the info. need to start reading the source one of these days...
<keks> i don't know if this is in ipfs or anything. it sure is on scuttlebot.io
<keks> which is a great project btw
<aggelos_> oh I didn't know about it
<keks> substack's hyperlog also uses that mechanism
<aggelos_> hyperlog I'd run into
<aggelos_> keks: thanks, will take a better look in a bit
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<keks> on a second thought, you would need something like a maintainer for each page
<keks> or a group of people with the right to push. completely open probably works, but is difficult
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<keks> go people: should i use github.com/multiformats/go-multiaddr or github.com/jbenet/go-multiaddr?
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<victorbjelkholm> keks, multiformats/go-multiaddr
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<victorbjelkholm> the jbenet one redirects you to the multiformats one
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<keks> hmm okay the go type system complains if i use multiformats
<victorbjelkholm> oh, then I don't know. Maybe Kubuxu or whyrusleeping have an idea
<keks> because multiformats/go-multiaddr-net depends on jbenet/go-multiaddr and go doesn't realize they're equivalent
<Kubuxu> we need to migrate the imports
<keks> i just found the issue on github
<keks> external users of the lib will experience breakage when this is changed, i suspect?
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<keks> we could fork instead, letting jbenet/ma-net import jbenet/ma and mf/ma-net import mf/ma
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<dignifiedquire> Kubuxu: there is at least this: https://github.com/joyent/node-lockfd
<Kubuxu> this could work
<Kubuxu> on unix
<Kubuxu> but I don't know what are we using on other platforms
<dignifiedquire> which writes the pid into the lockfile if fcntl is not available
<Kubuxu> yeah, for windows
<Kubuxu> because nobody wanted to fight with winapi for that :p
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<victorbjelkholm> haad, you're still working on the pubsub branch of orbit? Or is it in master now?
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<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, you'll open an issue about adopting the logger for cli output or you want me to do it?
<dignifiedquire> could you? and just a short comment why it is an improvement over console.log?
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<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, absolutely
<dignifiedquire> thanks
<dignifiedquire> victorbjelkholm: this locking buisness is some bullet you dodged there :D
<dignifiedquire> I now need to go and write a cross os, cross process lock module before I can implement it :D
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<victorbjelkholm> nonono
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, why not just write the file when starting, on crash/exit, remove the file? And then block start if file exists?
<victorbjelkholm> sounds way complicated what you're about to do
<dignifiedquire> because that is not guranteed to work, processes can die without a chance to clean up
<keks> but isn't everything else also left in inconsistent state?
<keks> ie. dangerous to simply continue?
<dignifiedquire> not really
<victorbjelkholm> dignifiedquire, wouldn't cluster solve this very easily? Top-level cli spawns child, then child can die for whatever, and we get a chance to clean up?
<victorbjelkholm> domains + clusters
<victorbjelkholm> that way, the fork can die and we get to have cleanup
<dignifiedquire> no it wouldn't top level process can die
<dignifiedquire> not guranteed
<dignifiedquire> e.g I cut the cord
<dignifiedquire> no cleanup
<victorbjelkholm> way easier to write a cross os, cross process lock module...
<dignifiedquire> it is actually
<victorbjelkholm> cut the cord? Sure, but you're lock is gonna handle that as well
<dignifiedquire> it is
<dignifiedquire> because it uses os level functionality that will clean up the lock when it comes back
<victorbjelkholm> I'm not confident... But I'm not gonna stop you if you think it's the best way :)
<dignifiedquire> it's the same thing go does
<dignifiedquire> also I am not going to touch the cluster module with a ten foot pole even of my life depended on it, I got burned by that waaaah too often
<victorbjelkholm> I had good success in running a lot of things with cluster/domains, works very well in fact. What's so bad about it?
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<victorbjelkholm> haad, what the hell... Found a way of getting it to start up immediately, you're not gonna believe the solution though
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<victorbjelkholm> put a setTimeout in the app.ready, with an empty function
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<victorbjelkholm> this setTimeout fixes it
<victorbjelkholm> I have no clue on why...
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<victorbjelkholm> Electron being cool and hip maybe
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<keks> hmm is there a multiaddr thingy for pipes? seems like a good way to mock network connections
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<victorbjelkholm> keks, thinking about something like this? https://github.com/multiformats/ma-pipe
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<keks> uhm. yes. that was easy, thanks :)
<victorbjelkholm> np :)
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<geoah> whyrusleeping wakey wakey rise and shine! :D
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<geoah> hm... I think I'm a bit confused... `tests/sharness` at some point does `ipfs dht put planet pluto` and then `ipfs dht findprovs planet`. -- but -- the ipfs cmd tries to decode58 the key -- which most likely fails -- so what am I missing? How does this test pass?
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<richardlitt> Agenda for next week's sprint: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/195
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<keks> just realized I was running go1.5.3 :S
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<keks> what multiaddr protocol code does secio have? it seems similar to secret handshake so i'd like to choose the next number
<keks> oh wait i'll just look
<keks> oh, it doesn't seem to have one
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<whyrusleeping> keks: yeah, the multiaddr protocol number for secio is pretty much just the /ipfs/ one
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<keks> i see
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<whyrusleeping> Thats a really great point though... we should probably figure out how to layer that correctly
<whyrusleeping> we need to really figure out where the boundary is
<whyrusleeping> because right now, secio is a protocol that is selected after the initial connection
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<geoah> whyrusleeping yo! could you please scroll like... 10 lines up?! :D (15:25)
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<whyrusleeping> geoah: lol, my irc window right now: https://ipfs.pics/QmVagwPi8Bdxs2QrxFLhxzGCeGS1QekNRWjdAikHzh5WV9
<whyrusleeping> geoah: uhh.... i havent the faintest clue how that test ever passed...
<whyrusleeping> but!
<whyrusleeping> er
<whyrusleeping> nvm
<geoah> lol
<whyrusleeping> it *was* passing
<whyrusleeping> and now its not...
<geoah> yeah I know, but as far as I can see the key that goes to the DHT is an empty string
<whyrusleeping> huh
<whyrusleeping> what happens if you switch over to using real keys?
<geoah> not sure how I do that for the tests
<geoah> but still... it was passing o_O
<achin> i'm about to add a very large directory into IPFS (both in terms of number of files, and size). any settings/options i might want to use first?
<whyrusleeping> i would add something like: `hash=$(echo "BLAH" | ipfs add)`
<whyrusleeping> and then use that hash for the provider calls
<whyrusleeping> achin: ooooo
<whyrusleeping> try the latest master
<achin> ok
* achin rocking and rolling with 73cd8b3
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<whyrusleeping> achin: try with the --local flag too if you want
<achin> to what command is that an option for? (it doesn't look like an option to ipfs-add)
<whyrusleeping> its a global
<noffle> woah, ma-pipe is pretty neat!
<whyrusleeping> achin: for add, it basically disables providing
<whyrusleeping> and then you can manually provide the hashes with `ipfs dht provide` later
<achin> can i just specify the root hash to `dht-provide`? do i need to list all of them?
<whyrusleeping> achin: it has a -r option
<achin> super! ok i will try this
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<achin> ok, running now. you can follow the ipfs go_memstats here :) https://andrewchin.net/grafs/dashboard/db/ipfs?editorTab=Display&from=1473959236360&to=now
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<achin> (not totally sure what are relevent stats to look at)
<achin> also, i'm not totally sure the memory is increasing for the daemon. maybe i didn't use --local correctly
<whyrusleeping> eh?
<achin> ipfs add --local -rw /path/to/foo/
<whyrusleeping> that looks good to me
<whyrusleeping> memory shouldnt really increase
<whyrusleeping> your memstats are looking solid
<achin> i goofed on one of the graphs. i was graphing the total number rof bytes allocated (directly. i should have been graphing the rate of increase, which i'm doing now)
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<achin> ipfs is giving me a 3 hour eta, i feel like this is a good test
<whyrusleeping> how big is this thing?
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: getting this when running `ipfs swarm addrs` on latest master https://gist.github.com/dignifiedquire/52df56c867b793fdc4c1a4ec85f8b2fd
<achin> i think it's about 600000 files
<dignifiedquire> is that on purpose?
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<geoah> achin o_O
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: thats technically correct output
<whyrusleeping> but its showing worryingly bad address detection
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<AdrianG> whyrusleeping: hi, can we use SHA3 as the default hash?
<whyrusleeping> AdrianG: why?
<AdrianG> ipfs errors out if i change the hardcoded variable in the go-ipfs-utils.
<AdrianG> and it seems to have something to do with Cid and the format.
<AdrianG> whyrusleeping: we are using ipfs in a product, and we must support sha3.
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<whyrusleeping> Theres a few assumptions we're making right now that prevent us from easily switching hashes
<AdrianG> i will be more than glad to submit a patch.
<whyrusleeping> fixing this is fairly high on our priority list, as its a requirement for us shipping ipld
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<AdrianG> how can I help to get it done?
<whyrusleeping> Switching to sha3 means we also need to move forward with CIDv1
<whyrusleeping> and fix the issue where bitswap assumes that we're using sha256
<AdrianG> is there a targeted date?
<AdrianG> I see.
<whyrusleeping> Mid October, let me detail some stuff in an issue and i'll tag you
<whyrusleeping> are you AdrianG on github too?
<AdrianG> no. just pm me here pls
<Mateon1> Gah, I keep finding bugs but I want to go to sleep early! I managed to break yet another gx repo (needed deleting the whole $GOPATH/src folder to fix), as well as an 'out of space on device' situation while pinning persisting even after clearing out a bunch of space on the drive.
<AdrianG> i will have to create an account, as this is for commercial vs personal work.
<whyrusleeping> AdrianG: ah, gotcha. will pm
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<Aranjedeath> if you delete stuff, remember to sync the changes to the filesystem
<whyrusleeping> Mateon1: youre on a roll
<Aranjedeath> modern linuxes will not immediately sync changes, including deletes
<whyrusleeping> how are you managing to break these gx repos?
<Aranjedeath> (depending on fs)
<whyrusleeping> Aranjedeath: Yeah, that 'depending on fs' part is tons of fun to deal with
<Mateon1> whyrusleeping: By failing IPFS fetches on a spotty wifi
<whyrusleeping> Mateon1: hrm... gx should be downloading to a tempdir and only finalizing the download once its complete
<whyrusleeping> are you perhaps running an older version of gx?
<Aranjedeath> whyrusleeping: lmao yes it is
<Mateon1> Nope, my IPFS installation process was `go get github.com/whyrusleeping/gx` -> go install -> `go get github.com/whyrusleeping/gx-go` -> go install -> `go get -d github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs` -> `gx install` -> Fail due to spotty network!
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<Mateon1> I did forget about the --global flag to gx, so it created its' vendor folder
<Mateon1> But that shouldn't be an issue, should it?
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<Mateon1> Also, enchancement: If GX can't use the local daemon (timeout or something, because of an impenetrable NAT), it should fall back to the gateway. (HTTP/S isn't firewalled)
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<noffle> Mateon1: we could also spawn an ephemeral ipfs node on the spot
<noffle> Mateon1: I don't *think* the gateway has an api for recursive fetches (yet?)
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<geoah> whyrusleeping I heard you like PRs, so I made a PR for your PR. https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3227 ^_^
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<Mateon1> noffle: It already uses the gateway if no daemon is running, but if one is detected, it doesn't fall back
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<noffle> ah, I see
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: can we merge this? https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/pull/489
<dyce> ipfs doesnt support gccgo right? and why is that?
<jbenet> dyce go1.7
<jbenet> that's all that should be required. not sure if gccgo supports go1.7.
<noffle> oh shoot
<noffle> whyrusleeping: just realized my gx PR changed the indent of package.json to 1 space instead of 2; must've typoed
<noffle> now I get full file diffs on all my gx changes
<victorbjelkholm> whyrusleeping, general question about gx stuff. When you have a 3rd party library you want to add to a project, do you download/build it from source and add it ipfs with gx? Or you just bypass gx for thirdparties
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<whyrusleeping> victorbjelkholm: we either clone the source, gxify the package, publish, and use that
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<whyrusleeping> or we fork it, gxify, and then use our fork to publish
<whyrusleeping> noffle: uh oh, good catch
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<victorbjelkholm> whyrusleeping, I see, thanks!
<whyrusleeping> victorbjelkholm: we own the org 'gxed'
<victorbjelkholm> !pinbot /ipfs/QmQfKvne8kJk8A2BXtRJktRyL8fAWnVZRgFJYbKzQoX6a5
<pinbot> usage: !pin <hash> <label>
<whyrusleeping> and have been forking things to there
<victorbjelkholm> !pinbot /ipfs/QmQfKvne8kJk8A2BXtRJktRyL8fAWnVZRgFJYbKzQoX6a5 form-example-with-writable-gateway
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmQfKvne8kJk8A2BXtRJktRyL8fAWnVZRgFJYbKzQoX6a5
<victorbjelkholm> whyrusleeping, ooh, I see. Maybe we should start doing the same for npm modules
<victorbjelkholm> starting to lose my head with all time wasted on waiting for npm
<whyrusleeping> right?
<whyrusleeping> i'd love to see a gx-js pick up steam
<victorbjelkholm> !pinbot QmNP1DKnVcAtm7PfmNMbyDNjyR1zDCYBiNcjDYr23Gy5Zz better-form-example-with-writable-gateway
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<victorbjelkholm> whyrusleeping, same here. GX4LAJF
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<dawuud> dear ipfs devs ples merge https://github.com/multiformats/go-multiaddr/pull/21
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<dawuud> jbenet: whyrusleeping: pls review https://github.com/david415/ipfs-onion-transport
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<noffle> whyrusleeping: looks ready: https://github.com/whyrusleeping/gx/pull/96
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<noffle> poor whyrusleeping
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<whyrusleeping> sorry, dont mind me, i'm over here crying in my corner
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<dawuud> actually crying isn't on your todo list
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<geoah> omfg this is awesome! :D https://github.com/whyrusleeping/todo
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<achin> gamification of whyrusleeping's todo list
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<whyrusleeping> dawuud: dammit. i'm gonna have someone put it on my todo list for me
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<dawuud> :)
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<geoah> could I ping someone to please retry travis & circle ci on https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3227 ? :D
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<Kubuxu> done
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<geoah> Kubuxu thanks :D
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<geoah> woo everything is green now! :D
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<jbenet> !pin /ipfs/QmTCDDKbavE8CAst1BexDwj2GyWxLQBjJe7VUYeKwQX3gm latest website
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmTCDDKbavE8CAst1BexDwj2GyWxLQBjJe7VUYeKwQX3gm
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<lgierth> still pretty cpu hungry ^
<lgierth> 40% of one i7-5557U core
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<Aranjedeath> on my server it's using 3.5-4.5%
<Aranjedeath> but I am only connected to the network
<lgierth> you have a browser rendering js animations on your server?
<Aranjedeath> no pinned objects, etc
<lgierth> i meant the thing that juan pinned ^
<Aranjedeath> I do not! i have a bittorrent tracker
<Aranjedeath> :D
* Aranjedeath hopes new versions of freebsd decrease cpu cycles used for packet processing
<Aranjedeath> devtools has a great profiler, as does firefox developer edition
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<whyrusleeping> dawuud: there, reviewed
<whyrusleeping> overall its pretty clean 👍
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<dignifiedquire> so using syscalls is really no fun :/
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: aren't you like a kernel master?
<whyrusleeping> i worked in the freeBSD kernel previously
<dignifiedquire> then you can surely tell me what I am doing wrong here: https://github.com/dignifiedquire/rusty-lock/blob/master/native/src/fs2/src/unix.rs#L43
<dignifiedquire> it always returns 0, even after multiple calls, and from different processes
<whyrusleeping> why are you writing rust?
<dignifiedquire> because I found a crate that was supposed to do file locking cross plattform in rust, and I wanted to use it to do repo.lock in js-ipfs
<dignifiedquire> I already have the js wrapper set up :/ but the actual locking code doesn't do what it's supposed to do :(
<dignifiedquire> (nobody wrote proper file locking in javascript as far as I could tell from my research, everybody assumes yeah we only have on process running, eva)
<dignifiedquire> if you don't want to look at it, that's totally fine, I might just try and write a wrapper for https://github.com/camlistore/go4/blob/master/lock as that seems to work well enough for go-ipfs
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: is it possible now to give aegir a custom path for the input file and a custom for the output?
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<daviddias> oh :(
<daviddias> well, I guess a fork and changing those hard coded values will have to do
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<dignifiedquire> PR very welcome, would be nice to have a config field in .aegir.js that changes these sth like src: "src/index.js", "dist": "dist/index.js"
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: 👍, just won't have time to spend on that fully, but agreed
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<achin> memory usage grew very slowly during the ipfs-add, but quickly dropped back down once it was all finished
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<dawuud> whyrusleeping: thanks i'll take a look
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<whyrusleeping> geoah: omg, youre the best. Thats such an annoyingly subtle bug
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