lgierth changed the topic of #ipfs to: Release Candidate 1 of go-ipfs v0.4.3 has been released, available at https://dist.ipfs.io -- IPFS - InterPlanetary File System -- https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs -- FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 -- Channel logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ -- Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0 -- Sprints: https://git.io/voEAh
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<H3g3m0n[m]> Oracle was arguing that APIs where under copyright. An API would seem to be a specific version of a protocol.
<JesseW> More or less -- but that's an instance of "All rectangles are squares, but not all squares are rectangles."
<JesseW> Even if all APIs are "specific instances of protocols", not all protocols are APIs. And (as I understand Oracle's (bad) argument), it focused on features that are true of APIs, but *not* true of non-API protocols.
<JesseW> Specifically, to implement the Java API, you need to create a bunch of classes with a bunch of methods with specified names. Oracle was claiming those names, grouped in that way, was itself copyrightable, and made any other use of those names in that grouping a derivative work.
<JesseW> A protocol that *didn't* specify a set of names, but merely specified the expected ordering of, say, a series of bits, would not seem (at least to me) to be vulnerable to the same argument.
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<voxelot> just made a branch of ippm that will use go-ipfs daemon to install packages https://github.com/nginnever/ippm
<voxelot> anyone feel like being the first to test installing a package, aside from my vps?
<voxelot> using 'ippm install acorn-jsx' should fetch a test package i have registed
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<JesseW> voxelot: hm, neat, will look
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<voxelot> JesseW: cool thanks! ping me if it works, or blows up
<JesseW> voxelot: what's the branch name?
<voxelot> master
<voxelot> moved the js-ipfs implementation to its own branch for now
<JesseW> ok, what's the repo you forked from, then? :-)
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<JesseW> or is this all your project, and you just moved the previous work to a separate branch?
<voxelot> yeah all one project i've been working on
<voxelot> i started it with full js-ipfs but then couldn't get the block routed
<JesseW> what version of node/npm is needed?
<voxelot> so i turned master into a useable go-ipfs api
<JesseW> I have node v0.10.29 and npm@1.4.21
<JesseW> which I'm pretty sure if old
<JesseW> er, is old
<voxelot> JesseW: I should add the version to the requirements
<voxelot> believe you need at lest v5 for node and 3 for npm
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<voxelot> whatever js-ipfs-api rewuires
<JesseW> ok
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<voxelot> requires Node v4.x (LTS) or higher
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<JesseW> installing updated versions of node now
<JesseW> this should also get the webui working for me :-)
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<voxelot> if you're building the webui from source then yeah you'd need new node version, or else it should load in the browser from the distribution
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<JesseW> hm, that didn't seem to fix the webui for me
<JesseW> I'm piping it through an ssh tunnel -- could that be breaking it?
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<JesseW> hah, something to add to the docs (and/or add a check in the webui): If you change the port number when tunneling the webui -- it breaks
<JesseW> I should probably open a issue for this... :-/
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<JesseW> voxelot: installing deps via npm
<voxelot> JesseW: nice, one day you won't have to use npm to install ippm, seems kind of silly to depend on npm but I have to build installs for all the os
<voxelot> also kind of silly to depend on a go application for a js package manager, but the js-ipfs version is almost there
<JesseW> voxelot: got 4 warnings
<JesseW> npm WARN optional Skipping failed optional dependency /chokidar/fsevents:
<JesseW> npm WARN notsup Not compatible with your operating system or architecture: fsevents@1.0.14
<JesseW> npm WARN karma-webpack@1.7.0 requires a peer of webpack@^1.4.0 but none was installed.
<JesseW> npm WARN eslint-config-standard-jsx@1.2.1 requires a peer of eslint@^2.1.0 but none was installed.
<JesseW> So, after running `npm install` -- what then? where's the ippm command?
<voxelot> JesseW: try running `ippm`
<voxelot> if you installed globably it should run
<JesseW> I installed it locally
<voxelot> do an `npm i -g`
<JesseW> I don't want to install it globally
<voxelot> so you can mpve off to a test directory and `ippm install acorn-test`
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<voxelot> ohh, okay then
<voxelot> `cd src/cli`
<voxelot> `node bin.js install acorn-test`
<voxelot> it should create a node module folder in ippm/src/cli with the installed mods
<JesseW> node bin.js version acorn-test
<JesseW> acorn-test version: ^1.2.2
<JesseW> node bin.js install acorn-test
<JesseW> NAME: acorn-test
<JesseW> IPFS REPO PATH (option): undefined
<JesseW> Installing: acorn-test
<JesseW> element: QmZpBPSxphha114KH3zWQUpkkRWXF9fQyBLW92TNJND9cw
<JesseW> ipfs online
<JesseW> writing package:
<JesseW> wrote node_modules folder:
<JesseW> dependency not registered skipping: babelify
<JesseW> dependency not registered skipping: browserify-derequire
<JesseW> dependency not registered skipping: browserify
<JesseW> dependency not registered skipping: unicode-7.0.0
<JesseW> (I really should have pastebin'ed that, sorry)
<voxelot> haha yeah, but cool! looks like it worked :)
<JesseW> excellent!
<voxelot> thanks for trying out, you're the first!
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<idl> Hi. Will ipfs work over tor?
<JesseW> voxelot: happy to help
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid created greenkeeper-mocha-3.0.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6vTS
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/greenkeeper-mocha-3.0.0 cbcf3f7 greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update mocha to version 3.0.0...
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #386: Update mocha to version 3.0.0
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<dignifiedquire> good morning
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] dignifiedquire deleted greenkeeper-mocha-3.0.0 at cbcf3f7: https://git.io/v6v32
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] dignifiedquire created remove-unused (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6v3o
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/remove-unused 3bd634b Friedel Ziegelmayer: chore: remove unused devDependency: mocha
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] dignifiedquire opened pull request #387: chore: remove unused devDependency: mocha (master...remove-unused) https://git.io/v6v3P
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<dignifiedquire> alu: checking it out
<dignifiedquire> alu: what is it? currently seeing mostly pink and black :D
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<dignifiedquire> haad: I would like for orbit to use aegir at some point :) I know you looked into that at some point and you had some issues with it, what exactly where they?
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<haad> dignifiedquire: can't remember what the issues were exactly. but iirc the forced conventions, the setup process, etc.
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire closed pull request #318: Update aegir to version 4.0.0
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<cwahlers> dignifiedquire: q about aegir, i recently tried to test something quick in a codepen, and included two aegir generated cdn bundles. it seems both bundles included babel-polyfill, which really shouldn't be included in libs. resulted in a 'Uncaught Error: only one instance of babel-polyfill is allowed' in the second included bundle
<dignifiedquire> cwahlers: well we do have to include it to make sure it's actually standalone and usable in all the browsers
<dignifiedquire> or do you have a better idea?
<cwahlers> you can only ever use one such bundle at a time then, though
<cwahlers> heh not really :/
<cwahlers> i'll think about it, and maybe file an issue (where?)
<cwahlers> just something i stumbled over the other day
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<cwahlers> dignifiedquire: either require user to include https://cdnjs.com/libraries/babel-polyfill or use transform-runtime https://babeljs.io/docs/usage/polyfill/
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<dignifiedquire> cwahlers: nice, I didn't know about this
<dignifiedquire> will def move to this
<cwahlers> dignifiedquire cool, want me to file an issue somewhere?
<dignifiedquire> yes please on https://github.com/dignifiedquire/aegir
<dignifiedquire> thanks!
<cwahlers> np!
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<dawuud> howdy
<dawuud> i'm here if anyone wants to chat about tor integration
<tmg> dawuud: can you give me the head lines?
<tmg> I run tor, then start ipfs daemon with some --proxy flag
<tmg> how does the routing work?
<tmg> daemon -> socks proxy -> circuit -> exit node -> bootstrap nodes ?
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<Codebird> IPFS over TOR sounds painfully slow.
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<ild> Codebird, yes. but in some cases I would like to hide a seeding node.
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: let me know when you have time to talk through the changelog proposal
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<dawuud> Codebird: freedom is always painful
<dawuud> tmg: do you know about the tor control port? we're going to use it to create onion services... furthermore you can ask the control port what the socks port is
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<dawuud> Codebird: slow crypto train ftw
<dawuud> Codebird: also pls... it's Tor not TOR
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<ild> dawuud, can IPFS node be accessible to other nodes via tor?
<dawuud> ild: it will partition the network into a onion only section
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<dawuud> but certainly we could use tor exit nodes to anonymously browser existing tcp/ip public nodes
<ild> thanks
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<dawuud> ild: yeah and we get NAT penetration for free when using Tor onion services
<dawuud> as distributed systems programmers it's our job to unfuck the internet with NAT penetration :)
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<ild> dawuud, also cjdns will bring NAT penetration for free
<ansuz> ^
<ansuz> +1
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<Codebird> I know it's Tor, but I just seem to automatically capitalise it unless I specifically focus on not doing so.
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<tmg> dawuud: that sounds kinda cool. Does that mean onion nodes can only talk to other onion nodes?
<Kubuxu> dawuud: and it will be orders of magnitude faster then Tor
<tmg> oh ^ scrolled up
* Kubuxu never really used Tor:
<Kubuxu> what is possible range of latencies when connecting to hidden service?
<ild> Kubuxu, i'm using tor to ssh my server and latency for key pressing about half of second
<ild> but total speed will be also limited
<dawuud> Kubuxu: here's an IRTF charter for an interesting research group, "Human Rights Protocol Considerations":
<Kubuxu> something we figured out during this year's Squatconf is that Tor hash to have X minimal latency
<Kubuxu> I will give the X in just a sec
<Polychrome[m]> Awhile back I've noticed a post on a forum showing off a Unity3D scene pulling assets off ipfs. I'm guessing they had to clobber up their own HTTP connection to the ipfs api. Is there something kind of a more solid C# API available now days?
<dawuud> the idea that technologists shouldn't think politically but only about protocol speed is morally laugheable.
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<Polychrome[m]> I'm kind of curious about possibly setting up an Active Worlds inspired clone that uses ipfs for its object path instead of a web server.
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<dignifiedquire> Kubuxu: I'm here
<Kubuxu> So the http-ipfs-sepc right now describes what the API responses look like.
<dignifiedquire> yes
<Kubuxu> and describes everything, including not important parts which renders it not really usable for testing
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<Kubuxu> as I said it is more of description than spec, when I am describing something I focus on details and try capture it in full
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<Kubuxu> with spec I would focus on important parts that are required for functioning
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<ild> Is there a way to tag somehow many files and then find them all even if they are uploaded from different hosts?
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<ild> Will ipns find all files if they have same name?
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<daviddias> nicolagreco: dignifiedquire mentioned that https://github.com/bigchaindb/py-ipld is ready
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping closed pull request #3007: commands: fix refs 'edges' option work (master...feature/refs-format-regression) https://git.io/vKxmM
<daviddias> were you looking for that one?
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<daviddias> haad: pushed the convo to https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/125, jbenet also shared some thoughts
<Codebird> I've almost done writing up the technical stuff for my arduino solar PWM charge controller, which I shall publish via IPFS. More good content.
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/auto-migrate-windows (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6vKY
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/fix/auto-migrate-windows 1854d3e Jeromy: extract binaries with .exe name on windows...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #3021: extract binaries with .exe name on windows (master...fix/auto-migrate-windows) https://git.io/v6vK4
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu created feature/daemon-mount-offline-flag (+2 new commits): https://git.io/v6vK6
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/daemon-mount-offline-flag 96b0961 Jakub Sztandera: daemon: ipfs daemon --offline --mount should fail with nice message...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/daemon-mount-offline-flag 5918f5b Jakub Sztandera: sharness: fix inporper use of test_expect_failure...
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<daviddias> jgantunes we are at Copenhagen Coffee Lab, me Kubuxu and whyrusleeping, you are welcome to join and hack with us :)
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<jgantunes> thanks daviddias, I might join you after lunch ;)
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu force-pushed feature/daemon-mount-offline-flag from 5918f5b to df8b8b4: https://git.io/v6vik
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/daemon-mount-offline-flag df8b8b4 Jakub Sztandera: sharness: fix improper use of test_expect_failure...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu created feature/eval-symlink-windows (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6vPI
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/eval-symlink-windows d2446aa Jakub Sztandera: cli: do ToSlash after EvalSymlinks to remove platform specific slashes...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu opened pull request #3023: cli: do ToSlash after EvalSymlinks to remove platform specific slashes (master...feature/eval-symlink-windows) https://git.io/v6vPn
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<jbenet> people interested in having varints in multiformats should review https://github.com/multiformats/unsigned-varint/issues
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu force-pushed feature/eval-symlink-windows from d2446aa to e0fbac8: https://git.io/v6vPV
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/eval-symlink-windows e0fbac8 Jakub Sztandera: cli: do ToSlash after EvalSymlinks to remove platform specific slashes...
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6vPQ
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/master c3b2c5f David Dias: Merge pull request #387 from ipfs/remove-unused...
<daviddias> jgantunes: awesome!
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire created 0-4-3 (+2 new commits): https://git.io/v6vAj
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/0-4-3 3444812 Friedel Ziegelmayer: feat: upgrade dependencies
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/0-4-3 f51f8fb Friedel Ziegelmayer: fix(api): ensure compatability with 0.4.3...
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire opened pull request #326: Upgrade dependencies and add 0.4.3 compat (master...0-4-3) https://git.io/v6vxf
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu created feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6vpT
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2 1375f22 Jakub Sztandera: License: MIT...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu force-pushed feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2 from 1375f22 to abb65ea: https://git.io/v6vpY
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2 abb65ea Jakub Sztandera: CHANGELOG for 0.4.3-rc2...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu opened pull request #3024: CHANGELOG for 0.4.3-rc2 (master...feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2) https://git.io/v6vpG
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to module-list: https://git.io/v6vjB
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/module-list e732445 Friedel Ziegelmayer: docs(readme): move libp2p packages to their own repo
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to fix/auto-migrate-windows: https://git.io/v6vjz
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/fix/auto-migrate-windows dcc3f7a Jeromy: append .exe to binaries on windows...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to fix/auto-migrate-windows: https://git.io/v6fe7
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/fix/auto-migrate-windows 02979fd Jeromy: handle exe appending in fewer places...
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<dignifiedquire> nicolagreco: are you awake/around?
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: traveling
<dignifiedquire> would you be available for that ipld session later today?
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed fix/auto-migrate-windows from 02979fd to fca5b34: https://git.io/v6fqK
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/fix/auto-migrate-windows fca5b34 Jeromy: extract binaries with .exe name on windows...
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<daviddias> whyrusleeping: will you have the time today or soon to make a proposal for point 2 of https://github.com/ipfs/specs/issues/98#issuecomment-236268043
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6fOm
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master fca5b34 Jeromy: extract binaries with .exe name on windows...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 8d3a777 Jeromy Johnson: Merge pull request #3021 from ipfs/fix/auto-migrate-windows...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu force-pushed feature/eval-symlink-windows from e0fbac8 to 69b52e4: https://git.io/v6vPV
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/eval-symlink-windows 1375f22 Jakub Sztandera: License: MIT...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/eval-symlink-windows 69b52e4 Jakub Sztandera: cli: do ToSlash after EvalSymlinks to remove platform specific slashes...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu force-pushed feature/eval-symlink-windows from 69b52e4 to 40741ea: https://git.io/v6vPV
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/eval-symlink-windows 40741ea Jakub Sztandera: cli: do ToSlash after EvalSymlinks to remove platform specific slashes...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu pushed 1 new commit to feature/daemon-mount-offline-flag: https://git.io/v6fGB
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/daemon-mount-offline-flag d26ac87 Jakub Sztandera: cli: reword message about mount and offline...
<kpcyrd> https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502 maybe this is something ipfs could work really well (repost)
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<PEPIT0> lol
<PEPIT0> get down
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/progress-defaults (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6fn0
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/fix/progress-defaults c9937d8 Jeromy: default add progress to false, unless using CLI...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #3025: default add progress to false, unless using CLI (master...fix/progress-defaults) https://git.io/v6fnw
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<richardlitt> Alright! I know this is late, but here is the sprint schedule for today
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<richardlitt> There is no IRC or initial hangout today; rather, three separate video calls going over the Q3 Roadmap issues in github.com/ipfs/pm
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<M-flyingzumwalt> Is there a sprint call today?
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] dignifiedquire force-pushed upgrade-deps from 54c7d19 to 75e9c14: https://git.io/v6f8K
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/upgrade-deps b90747e Friedel Ziegelmayer: feat: update all dependencies
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/upgrade-deps 75e9c14 Friedel Ziegelmayer: style: lint happy
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<richardlitt> M-flyingzumwalt: Not a general one; only for the three things mentioned in the sprint issue.
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<M-flyingzumwalt> richardlitt (IRC): remind me which repo the sprint issues are tracked in?
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<jbenet> M-flyingzumwalt: o/ -- https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/130
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<M-flyingzumwalt> jbenet++
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<richardlitt> github.com/ipfs/pm
<richardlitt> Ah, thanks.
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed fix/progress-defaults from c9937d8 to 1b50fce: https://git.io/v6fEZ
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/fix/progress-defaults 1b50fce Jeromy: default add progress to false, unless using CLI...
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<ckwaldon1> Has anyone here looked at Mediachain extensively?
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<jbenet> ckwaldon1 yeah, they're collaborating with us on some things
<ckwaldon1> jbenet: So, do you think mediachain would work as a platform for associating license and author metadata with source code published over IPFS?
<jbenet> yep
<ckwaldon1> My team was trying to find a way to associate some basic metadata with code and data that is hosted within IPFS. Unless we're missing something important, it's hard to know what kind of file a given IPFS hash is, even if you `ipfs get` the file. Similarly, it's hard to know how you can use that file "legally". IPFS doesn't have anything to support that right now, does it?
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<jbenet> ckwaldon1: you can build that all in yourself -- craft unix-fs objects yourself. but it will get easier soon, with IPLD improvements.
<ckwaldon1> We could build all of that except the ability to reasonably trust the information, right? Without the consensus element from the blockchain, how can you trust the metadata that you get from those hashes?
<jbenet> ckwaldon1: how can you trust any of the data?
<jbenet> ckwaldon1: it's an authenticated data structure, if you can trust the hash, you can trust the data. if you cant trust the hash, you have bigger problems. if you want consensus, timestamp the hash into a blockchain, but then you have to look it up
<ckwaldon1> jbenet: fair enough. Are there existing standards or initiatives (other than IPLD) for associating this kind of metadata via IPFS objects? Don't want to reinvent the wheel.
<ckwaldon1> jbenet: I only exclude IPLD because I'm under the impression that it can't be used yet.
<jbenet> ckwaldon1: we're working on it now, it's coming soon. you can use whatever you want (including IPLD) if you work on crafting the objects yourself.
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: how do I select which backend iptb is using?
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<ckwaldon1> jbenet: Okay, thanks.
<whyrusleeping> 'iptb init --type=docker'
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping closed pull request #3025: default add progress to false, unless using CLI (master...fix/progress-defaults) https://git.io/v6fnw
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2 from abb65ea to 8557dda: https://git.io/v6vpY
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2 d03590e Jakub Sztandera: CHANGELOG for 0.4.3-rc2...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/changelog-0.4.3-rc2 8557dda Jeromy: update changelog about ipfs add progress fix...
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<AtnNn> Has anyone ever tried to count the amount of nodes in the IPFS swarm? I wonder how big it is.
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<richardlitt> IPLD discussion starting in a few minutes.
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<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: IPLD Roadmap =========================
<richardlitt> Topic: IPLD Roadmap
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/130
<richardlitt> Etherpad Notes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/jldsjlfjslj-ipld
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<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/Dj1gLLNGAd8
<richardlitt> =============================================================================
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<jbenet> urgh im running behind. can someone swap with me? @daviddias or @whyrusleeping -- alternatively i can go at the end
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<jbenet> swap = do js-ipfs or go-ipfs first. else i'll go at the end
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<jbenet> (im actually working on an important thing worth having out before this call)
<daviddias> Fine by me :)
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<daviddias> richardlitt: wanna past the js-ipfs one here
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<richardlitt> daviddias: I will do.
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<richardlitt> wait
<richardlitt> OK!
<whyrusleeping> jbenet: swap what with you?
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<daviddias> whyrusleeping: he means the order of the hangouts
<richardlitt> Switching to JS-ipfs
<daviddias> do IPLD last
<richardlitt> swichting no.
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<daviddias> js-ipfs and go-ipfs first
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<whyrusleeping> ah, gotcha
<dignifiedquire> goooo ipfs
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<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: js-ipfs Roadmap =========================
<richardlitt> Topic: js-ipfs Roadmap
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/130
<richardlitt> Etherpad Notes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/jldsjlfjslj-js-ipfs
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/HUR5BI7JM60
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<daviddias> thank you richardlitt :)
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<richardlitt> You coming? :)
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<em-ly> I'm okay with not talking, @daviddias has got this in the bag.
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<jbenet> richardlitt: this is recording right? i can watch it later?
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<richardlitt> jbenet: Yes!
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<jbenet> shipped IPLD link updates proposal -- https://github.com/ipfs/specs/issues/130
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<whyrusleeping> richardlitt: how long are each of these hangouts?
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<richardlitt> 30 ins
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<richardlitt> *minutes, not inches.
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<cjd> :D
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<joeyh> was just playing with ipns, and noticed that ipfs cat QmcKydpRD1SUA5HyYfSWNkrxs63428GT5gvyvrYVnHXadS seems to hang (or take a very long time). That's my PeerID, and I can ipfs name resolve it just fine. Is this expected behavior?
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<achin> you can only cat files
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<whyrusleeping> joeyh: you could cat /ipns/<your peer ID?
<joeyh> I think I expected it to resolve the name, and cat what it pointed to
<whyrusleeping> but without the path prefix, the codebase assumes youre referring to an ipfs object
<joeyh> so it's gone off looking in the dht for an object that DNE
<whyrusleeping> yeap, pretty much
<whyrusleeping> lol
<achin> and if such an object existed, it would be your ipfs private key, right?
<whyrusleeping> it would be your public key
<achin> oh, pubkey
<joeyh> ok, I guess the confusing thing to me is partly that I expected name resolution, and partly that the "name" is a hash that looks much like any object hash
<whyrusleeping> we could put that object into ipfs during init, but it wouldnt be a 'file'
<richardlitt> ===================== IPFS Hangouts: go-ipfs Roadmap =====================
<richardlitt> Topic: go-ipfs Roadmap
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/130
<richardlitt> Etherpad Notes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/jldsjlfjslj-go-ipfs
<whyrusleeping> so cat still wouldnt work on it
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/IU411yMaiz4
<richardlitt> ==========================================================================
<richardlitt> whyrusleeping: your turn! :)
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: do you need to be on go-ipfs, or should we do changelog in parallel?
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: let's do changelog :)
<dignifiedquire> alrighty, @richardlitt can you create us a second stream for js-changelog?
<richardlitt> A stream?
<richardlitt> I can't - currently hosting go-ipfs, and then hosting IPLD
<dignifiedquire> ah okay, thought you could do multiple
<dignifiedquire> nvm
<dignifiedquire> will create my own
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<daviddias> thank you, joining
<dignifiedquire> anyone interested in talking changelog things for js-ipfs see link above
<dignifiedquire> voxelot: if you are interested
<dignifiedquire> victorbjelkholm: ^^
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<daviddias> victorbjelkholm voxelot jgantunes xicombd you might want to join ^^
<voxelot> This just became a job
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<jbenet> sorry my network is flaky
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<richardlitt> go-ipfs is running over; IPLD will start when it is done.
<richardlitt> dignifiedquire: are you recording that talk?
<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: no wasn't able to :(
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<richardlitt> OK.
<richardlitt> Can you write up notes?
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<jbenet> im laggin out again
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<em-ly> @jbenet we can see you
<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: IPLD Roadmap =========================
<richardlitt> Topic: IPLD Roadmap
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/130
<richardlitt> Etherpad Notes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/jldsjlfjslj-ipld
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/Dj1gLLNGAd8
<richardlitt> ================================================================================
<em-ly> brb
<jbenet> im not allowed to join :(
<jbenet> richardlitt: o/
<richardlitt> Weird
<richardlitt> One second
<dignifiedquire> yeah seems broken
<richardlitt> Try now?
<daviddias> No one is here right now.
<daviddias> Error: HJR: 2-RNF
<richardlitt> OK>
<jbenet> same
<jbenet> make a new one
<dignifiedquire> same her
<em-ly> i mean im here
<daviddias> em-ly: broke it
<em-ly> D:
<daviddias> :D
<em-ly> this sprint session is brought to you by me myself and i
<em-ly> i would like to thank myself for attending
<em-ly> riveting conversation
<jbenet> <3
<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: IPLD Roadmap =========================
<richardlitt> Topic: IPLD Roadmap
<richardlitt> Etherpad Notes: https://pad.riseup.net/p/jldsjlfjslj-ipld
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/130
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/2t17BtGgxaE
<richardlitt> ================================================================================
<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: no notes, but todos ;) https://github.com/dignifiedquire/aegir/issues/30#issuecomment-236685903
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<richardlitt> dignifiedquire: what?
<dignifiedquire> you asked me about notes for the changelog call
<dignifiedquire> it was mostly me talking about what is in this issue, with the outcome of those todos
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<richardlitt> OK. Thanks.
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid created greenkeeper-hapi-14.1.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6fNf
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/greenkeeper-hapi-14.1.0 307cf3b greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update hapi to version 14.1.0...
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<dignifiedquire> jbenet: I got a question (maybe I just I'm missing something) about the cids, it says there that things like git or bitcoin hashes are diretly supported, but how do you differeniate from say raw ipfs links?
<jbenet> the multicodec in the link
<jbenet> brb
<dignifiedquire> so the link would not be the raw link, but rather with the multicodec in front?
<ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #446: Update eslint to version 3.2.2
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<jbenet> dignfiedquire: right
<richardlitt> Thanks all!
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: okay thanks makes sense, would be good to mention that explicitly maybe (or not, I might just be tired)
<jbenet> dignifiedquire: the multicodec in the CID would be different/ note this section, too: "IPLD supports non-CID hash links as implicit CIDv1s"
<jbenet> (it said "raw" first, but that was a different meaning of the word raw. not raw data , but "raw hash"/
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<dignifiedquire> going to reread in the morning with a fresh brain :)
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<M-hash> So version and multicodec bits are sliiiightlyarguably redundant, but we like them because it probably machines semantic branches in the code, and lets us rotate things out of the multicodec claimed fields over time? (Did I read right?)
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<M-hash> s/machines/matches/ -- sorry, mobile keyboard woes.
<jbenet> M-hash the version bits are for the version of the identifier, not of the data. you _could_ overload multicodec to do this
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<M-hash> I mean, as like, a space alien who didn't understand your so-called-semantics, right :P
<jbenet> M-hash: oh is in case we have to change it again
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<M-flyingzumwalt> richardlitt (IRC): or em-ly
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<M-flyingzumwalt> richardlitt (IRC): or em-ly do you have the etherpad link for the go-ipfs conversation? The current link in the issue is to a page with no notes.
<ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #447: Update eslint-plugin-react to version 6.0.0
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<richardlitt> M-flyingzumwalt: That was the notes; basically, we went through and made the list better.
<richardlitt> I should bookmark that. Will do that now.
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #388: Update hapi to version 14.1.0
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<ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #448: Update react-bootstrap to version 0.30.1
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/add-finalize-mem (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6J4H
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/fix/add-finalize-mem ac3f9ac Jeromy: don't cache entire mfs tree on add finalize...
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