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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/routing/interfaces at ea8683a: https://git.io/v6MQx
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/pin/no-prov-internal at db228e1: https://git.io/v6M7v
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/local-add at 4b27885: https://git.io/v6M7J
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<pjz> whyrusleeping: you awake?
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<whyrusleeping> pjz: for some definitions of that word
<pjz> whyrusleeping: :) I was reading scrollback; is there a problem with pin storage?
<pjz> whyrusleeping: you guys were talking bloom filters; won't a radix tree work?
<whyrusleeping> depends on what you mean
<whyrusleeping> we use something similar to a radix tree for storing our current pinsets
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<pjz> whyrusleeping: and it's slow or something?
<whyrusleeping> well, we store the set of root pins
<whyrusleeping> for checking if something is pinned, we have to check if its a child of any of the recursive pins
<whyrusleeping> and thats expensive
<pjz> are the sub-pins not in the radix tree?
<whyrusleeping> no, that got really complicated and expensive
<whyrusleeping> because for the subpins, you also need to store a ref count
<whyrusleeping> and there are *lots* of subpins
<whyrusleeping> the disk overhead becomes an issue at that point
<pjz> oh, so you only store the root pins and then chasing down subpins is slow because you have to go look them up in the merkledag?
<whyrusleeping> yeap
<pjz> what about using a second radix tree?
<pjz> use one for root pins and one for subpins
<pjz> and the subpins one is just used for indexing
<pjz> and is rebuilt from the root-pin one at startup or something
<pjz> or am I overlooking something?
<pjz> slows down startup a bit, I guess, as the subpin radix tree gets rebuilt
<pjz> also: doesn't a full list of subpins have to be kept around anyway to be advertised on the DHT ?
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<whyrusleeping> pjz: that subpin radix tree is not cheap
<whyrusleeping> and it has to go somewhere, memory or disk
<whyrusleeping> its not small
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<pjz> whyrusleeping: what does the DHT use as a source for its advertisements?
<whyrusleeping> the blockstore
<pjz> is the max blocksize still 256k ?
<pjz> oh it doesn't matter I guess
<whyrusleeping> thats the default block size
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<pjz> block size has an interesting effect on the hash storage
<pjz> it means given a total blockstore size, there's a minimum number of hashes
<pjz> 1.3GB = ~ 5400 hashes
<pjz> at least
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<whyrusleeping> as a very low ball minimum, yeah
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<pjz> email had a kind of similar problem
<pjz> they solved it with maildir
<pjz> which basically encoded metadata in the filename
<pjz> it would be kind of cute to have pinned blocks have a '.pinned' suffix
<pjz> then just crawl the blockstore for the subpins
<pjz> well, for the full set of pins I guess
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<pjz> only reap blocks that end in just .data
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<whyrusleeping> that has a problem though
<whyrusleeping> when do you remove the .pinned suffix?
<pjz> when it's unpinned?
<whyrusleeping> oh yeah?
<pjz> no?
<whyrusleeping> A->B, C->B, D->B
<whyrusleeping> pin A,C,D
<whyrusleeping> now, i unpin D
<pjz> oic
<pjz> and now you're into refcounting
<pjz> ugh
<whyrusleeping> right?
<whyrusleeping> fuckin annoying
<pjz> could store refcounts in the filenames, but... kinda ugh
<pjz> .pinned_3
<pjz> so rename it, fun fun
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<pjz> though it's derived data so can be sanity checked against the master list of top-level pins at any time
<pjz> low memory overhead :)
<whyrusleeping> the problem then becomes, how do i find hash X on disk
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<pjz> blockstore is already radix-treed to reduce dir size, so look in the correct dir for files that start with the hash
<pjz> ..little slow, but not terribly so
<whyrusleeping> that sort of operation is far more expensive than a direct access
<pjz> I know
<pjz> but you can keep a lru cache of hash->filename if that gets slow
<pjz> maybe preemptively cache the entirety of any dir you read, just because
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<pjz> also latest linux kernels are making dir reads faster
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<pjz> getting rid of root-lock to allow more concurrency
<whyrusleeping> if we could *only* worry about supporting linux, i would be soooooo happpy
<whyrusleeping> and is that just for ext4?
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<whyrusleeping> or is that somehow an actual kernel thing independent of the fs?
<pjz> uhh.. not sure. I want tos ay it's more fundamental than that
<pjz> like dentry-level or something
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<pjz> anyway, the blockstore already radix-trees its blocks into directories; I put a 1.4GB file in and ended up with 5396 files in 5148 dirs; 233 had 2 files, 6 had 3 files, and 1 had 4 files
<pjz> so listdirs in them wouldn't be too expensive :)
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<whyrusleeping> eh, i'd benchmark it
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<pjz> alternately you could have a separate blockstore for pinned data
<pjz> oh, hm, no, that doesn't help with refcounting
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<pjz> oh! add a level
<pjz> make the hashes be dirs
<whyrusleeping> yeah, was just thinking about that
<whyrusleeping> have a data file and a ref count file
<pjz> then your direct access is /blockstore/hash/data
<pjz> and have a /blockstore/hash/pins file that contains the refcount
<pjz> so both are known-filename (no listdir())
<pjz> and again the pins files can all be sanity checked against the master list of top-level pins at any time
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<Kubuxu> radix tree with associated refcount might not be that bad of an idea
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<jakobvarmose> Radix trees sound interesting
<jakobvarmose> I also experimented more with the modified cuckoo filter. It can store around 1 million keys in 16 MiB with no practical risk of collisions and including a 32 bit reference count
<jakobvarmose> and about 200,000 increments/decrements per second on my computer
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<Kubuxu> Hmm, nice.
<Kubuxu> How slow it would be over mmap?
<Kubuxu> mmap'ed file.
<njm14823[m]> Does anyone think that there is a need for an IPFS search engine? I pointed a crawler at an existing ipfs link list and turned it loose on ipfs.io/ipfs/.* The results are interesting if not effective. Try searching for "ipfs" at http://fess.ipfs.directory
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<jakobvarmose> Kubuxu, The current implementation writes directly to a file. I haven't tried with mmap but it might be faster
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<Kubuxu> it should be faster
<Kubuxu> I thought you did memory based.
<jakobvarmose> njm14823[m], That would be nice. I have been thinking about creating one myself
<jakobvarmose> Kubuxu, No, it's to a file, but I only call f.Sync() at the end so the OS probably does some caching
<Kubuxu> sound great
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<njm14823[m]> jakobvarmose[m], would you like to help with this project? I started a repo ipfs-directory and could use some assistance.
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<Kubuxu> jakobvarmose: have you estimated value when the cuckoo becomes full?
<Kubuxu> Hmm, when you think about it: storing 1Mi keys as a list will take 32MiB (32bytes per key).
<Kubuxu> but the truth is that there are more inserts and deletions then walks and queries.
<Kubuxu> and this makes sorted list suboptimal.
<jakobvarmose> Kubuxu, about 1 million entries for a 16MiB file. But the file then grows automatically to create more slots in each bucket
<jakobvarmose> I only store a 12 byte hash of each key so that's the reason it can be smaller than a list
<Kubuxu> but you store also a counter, which is much better.
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<Kubuxu> have you published the code? I would love to have a look.
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<jakobvarmose> Now I have: https://github.com/jakobvarmose/cuckoo
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<Kubuxu> Small script if someone wants to use IFPS API by ipfs cli on remote machine via ssh
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<furao> is local node clock important for IPFS/libp2p? if my clock is back in 1998 or if my local NTP jump in future does it prevent IPFS to run properly? I’ve looked at the code and my feeling is no.
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<furao> well… SSL/TLS requires somewhat accurate clock
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<Kubuxu> SSL/TLS requires clock for certs
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<Kubuxu> we don't use certs
<Kubuxu> and we don't yet use SSL
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<furao> so… no valid time source are required?
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<Kubuxu> yeah, SSL needs time to check validity of certificate
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<noobboy> Hi, i am now to linux and ipfs. "root@raspberrypi:/home/pi/go-ipfs# ./install.sh installed /usr/local/bin/ipfs root@raspberrypi:/home/pi/go-ipfs# ipfs help bash: /usr/local/bin/ipfs: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error " how can i fix this error
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<furao> probably not a binary for linux arm
<somebody1234> help, does anyone here use js-ipfs?
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<Kubuxu> noobboy: did you download binary for ARM?
<noobboy> @Kubuxu, i don't think so. where can i download the arm binary?
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<Kubuxu> ahh
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<Kubuxu> he went away..
<Kubuxu> linux-arrm
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<yangwao> \o/
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<yangwao> 0.4.3
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<furao> What if I put something in IPFS and other users (not myself) create DAG node that link to it. Can I get the list of DAGs that refers to my object?
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<achin> nope
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid force-pushed feat/generic-spec-compliant from 7ef9b92 to 56904fd: https://git.io/v6MID
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/feat/generic-spec-compliant 56904fd David Dias: feat(http): refactor ipfs-api tests and make them all pass again
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-lodash-4.14.2 at b160c8c: https://git.io/v6DOP
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-interface-ipfs-core-0.7.1 at 063583b: https://git.io/v6DOy
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<mynigga> I can't make IPFS anonymous use Whonix + IPDS
<mynigga> * IPFS
<lgierth> !pin QmS7SHKWdybLD8K6RfjcsUrhABMUvA4o3ht9njuVbiCKmT lgierth-ssh-rsa
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmS7SHKWdybLD8K6RfjcsUrhABMUvA4o3ht9njuVbiCKmT
<mynigga> Or i can use A VM + VPN
<mynigga> VM + VPN + IPFS
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<bussiere> hi
<bussiere> i ve published a little test.txt
<bussiere> i see it on localhost
<bussiere> but not on ipfs.io
<bussiere> and with the javascript interface i see that i'am connected to others
<bussiere> any idea ?
<apiarian> are you behind a double nat or some other funky setup?
<bussiere> normally not
<JesseW> sometimes it takes a little while
<apiarian> (i've previously found that in order to get the world to see my new objects, i have to set up my router to forward all incoming 4001 traffic to my machine =/
<bussiere> i may be that
<bussiere> because i'am behind a router
<bussiere> still nothing :/
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<bussiere> i'am under windows 8
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<bussiere> does anyone have an other public ipfs server to test ?
<bussiere> or can someone push something on ipfs and give me the hash ?
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<bussiere> hi again
<bussiere> i've published a little test.txt file
<bussiere> and i don't see it on
<bussiere> ok seems to work now
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] EliasGabrielsson closed pull request #2568: Updated bash auto complete (master...master) https://git.io/vwkEo
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] EliasGabrielsson opened pull request #3109: Updated BASH auto complete (master...master) https://git.io/v6D0g
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