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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/cmds/dht-provide: https://git.io/v69W1
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/cmds/dht-provide 25d9246 Jeromy: add -r flag for dht provide...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created deps/libp2p/3.4.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v69Rc
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/deps/libp2p/3.4.0 f46d2b3 Jeromy: update deps for libp2p 3.4.0...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #3110: update deps for libp2p 3.4.0 (master...deps/libp2p/3.4.0) https://git.io/v69Ra
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed deps/libp2p/3.4.0 from f46d2b3 to 38f7253: https://git.io/v69RD
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/deps/libp2p/3.4.0 38f7253 Jeromy: update deps for libp2p 3.4.0...
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<dignifiedquire> good morning
<geoah> morning people! :D
<daviddias> o/ ohai everyone :)
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: could you prioritize today https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/pull/420 ? if you can, this would help me a lot, thank you :)
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: okay, will tackle soon
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<daviddias> Who is coming to Pixels Camp this October https://pixels.camp/ ?
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<nicolagreco> maybe of interest https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/158
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<cow_2001> what do you guys think of pirates? what do you do against pirates?
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<geoah> cow_2001: are you talking about dcma-able stuff?
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<cow_2001> i guess so
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<geoah> AFAIK (and do take this with a grain of salt) IPFS has black list (deny list) by which nodes can block content from being moved through them
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<geoah> I'm trying to find some docs/code to back this up :P
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<cow_2001> geoah: we shall overcoooooome we shall overcooooooome
<cow_2001> geoah: as the song goes
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<varun_> This an official chat for IPFS devs?
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: left some comments on the pR
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<daviddias> Thank you
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<daviddias> varun_ yes, this channel :)
<ansuz> hi daviddias
<daviddias> But for important discussions, we use GitHub threads more
<daviddias> Hey ansuz :)
<daviddias> How is Paris?
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<ansuz> Paris is good
<ansuz> 35C weather tomorrow
<ansuz> gettin' tropical
<Guest55623> Any samples apps for p2p chat using libp2p module of IPFS?
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: are you still having the phantomjs test issues?
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: the same one
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: browser tests are so slow :'(
<dignifiedquire> I want a buildchain written in rust
<dignifiedquire> and now phantomjs keeps crashing
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: what do you think about dropping phantomjs from our tests?
<dignifiedquire> reasons for doing that: it's painfull to debug, randomly crashes, gets more outdated by the day
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: can't we get phantomjs running?
<daviddias> it seems a es6->es5 issue
<dignifiedquire> working on another issue
<daviddias> which is the reason we added it :)
<dignifiedquire> unxifs-engine fails on phantom, cause phantom crashes :(
<daviddias> I do agree that they should only run on CI https://github.com/dignifiedquire/aegir/issues/48
<dignifiedquire> it's idb implementation seems to be generating issues
<daviddias> crashes with?
<dignifiedquire> indexeddb.open dies, sometimes it just crashes without any details
<dignifiedquire> I think rather than trying to test in phantomjs (which nobody actually uses as a browser) we should rather define which browsers we want to support and test in them directdly
<dignifiedquire> and we already test node4, node6, latest firefox and latest chrome on ci, which seems to be a pretty good set
<daviddias> well
<daviddias> the thing is that it all worked before
<daviddias> before pull-streams *
<daviddias> if it was all passing, we could drop it for dev productivity
<daviddias> this way it is just closing our eyes to clear issues
<dignifiedquire> I am not convinced these are actual issues, other than phantomjs is being not very stable
<dignifiedquire> if I can't reproduce them outside of phantomjs
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<daviddias> isn't the only difference the change to pull streams?
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<dignifiedquire> roughly
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<dignifiedquire> but I have seen phantomjs crash and die before
<dignifiedquire> on valid code
<daviddias> so, one question about phantom
<daviddias> it seems that es6 things are not being properly shimmed
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<daviddias> what are we missing there?
<dignifiedquire> so we started using babel-runtime-transform instead of babel-polyfill by default
<dignifiedquire> this means that method shimming on protoypes is not supported any more, i.e. Array.from
<daviddias> I get that, but confused on why would aegir change that if the whole goal of the build was to have es5 version
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<dignifiedquire> because you can only have one instance of using babel-polyfill per browser thing, that means if you were to try and use for example js-ipfs-repo and js-ipfs-libp2p on the same page as scripts they wouldn't work due to both including babel-polyfill
<daviddias> so, what you are telling me is that we have to add it on per project basis, right?
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<dignifiedquire> roughly, i.e. for tests: require('babel-polyfill') manually + document that users of the browser bundle have to bring their own polyfill in non ES2015 compliant environments
<dignifiedquire> or not use Array.from
<dignifiedquire> that's at least the best solution I could come up with so far
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<daviddias> hmm, would it be easier to have a babel-polyfill-singleton
<dignifiedquire> not sure what you mean
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<daviddias> We need to keep having the ES5 version (this shouldn't change so suddendly)
<dignifiedquire> then don't use Array.from
<daviddias> Right now, the lib version doesn't provide its core goal, which is to be able to do require('module') without having to do transpilation madness
<daviddias> dignifiedquire I've updated js-mafmt
<daviddias> and now I also get "Promise" not found
<dignifiedquire> ?
<dignifiedquire> hmm, babel-transform-runtime should inject Promise
<dignifiedquire> -.-
<daviddias> 1) core "before all" hook:
<daviddias> Can't find variable: Promise
<daviddias> open@webpack:///~/db.js/dist/db.min.js:1:11706 <- test/browser.js:94200:12860
<daviddias> Blobs@webpack:///~/idb-plus-blob-store/src/index.js:23:0 <- test/browser.js:105609:24
<daviddias> Blobs@webpack:///~/idb-plus-blob-store/src/index.js:13:0 <- test/browser.js:105599:49
<cwahlers> is it only Array.from? couldn't you add a homegrown polyfill for specifically that to the bundle, without pulling in all of babel-polyfill?
<daviddias> webpack:///test/core/browser.js:29:27 <- test/browser.js:163480:25
<dignifiedquire> :'(
<daviddias> cwahlers: good question. I wonder if there is more stuff that gets missed
<dignifiedquire> why do I even bother... aralkjfalsödfjaowepfjaölfkdsaölfkasd+fa
<cwahlers> dignifiedquire: re Promise, have you tried adding babel-runtime as a dependency?
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<dignifiedquire> it's injected yes
<cwahlers> hmm weird
<dignifiedquire> but babel doesn't process all node_modules
<dignifiedquire> so the library above doesn't get transformed...
<cwahlers> ah :(
<dignifiedquire> making my life sad
<daviddias> oh, :(
<dignifiedquire> I just want a proper compiler for javascript
<daviddias> I'm sorry. These js runtime differences are always a pita (starting to feel that compiling C for different arch was easier xD)
<dignifiedquire> not this I need to combine 40 different modules together
<dignifiedquire> yep compiling C is much easier -.-
<dignifiedquire> I have a crazy idea, let me try something
<daviddias> :D :D :D
<daviddias> transpile js to C and then to JS? XD
<cwahlers> :)
<dignifiedquire> it's close to that
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: do I need to link anything in that branch? bitswap tests keep failing with errors that they can't connect to anything
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<dignifiedquire> :'(
<dignifiedquire> this is no fun
<ansuz> have you tried whistling while you work?
<geoah> ansuz: trying that in an open office would be a very interesting social experiment :P
<ansuz> we whistle all the time at my work
<ansuz> mostly 'trollolol'
<ansuz> nobody seems to mind
<ansuz> my favourite is the 11 hour mix
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: interesting, clean npm i didn't work for you?
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: no, but lots of other issues atm...so not so important atm
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: definitely do a clean npm i
<daviddias> they all work for me (and in CI)
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: which ones?
<daviddias> how is your crazy experiment?
<dignifiedquire> the other phantomjs issues
<dignifiedquire> and my crazy experiment
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<dignifiedquire> okay crazy experiment solves some problems, brings new problems
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<dignifiedquire> not sure what to do now..
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<dignifiedquire> except crying
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<daviddias> oh?
<daviddias> Could you explain
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid pushed 1 new commit to feat/generic-spec-compliant: https://git.io/v6HGv
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/feat/generic-spec-compliant a3d98a8 David Dias: fix(config): support null values (0 or empty string) on get and set
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid closed pull request #420: level-up (master...feat/generic-spec-compliant) https://git.io/v6VzY
<dignifiedquire> I was trying to use the typescript compiler instead of babel, which generally works very well, but the ts-loader (integration of webpack & typescript) has some bugs stopping me from fully doing it
<dignifiedquire> so know I need to think of some other clever solution
<daviddias> I see, that sounded like a good plan
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<daviddias> so, if the only thing is that we can't have more than um babel-polyfil
<daviddias> can't we just add one into global scope and always reuse the same
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<dignifiedquire> that's the annoying part, babel-polyfil can't do that
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid created feat/interface-ipfs-core-over-ipfs-api-tests (+2 new commits): https://git.io/v6HEB
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/feat/interface-ipfs-core-over-ipfs-api-tests ac5352e David Dias: feat(roadmap): update roadmap ms2 with extra added goals
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/feat/interface-ipfs-core-over-ipfs-api-tests 08a4b19 David Dias: feat(tests): factory-http
<daviddias> this is getting interesting
<daviddias> already finding bugs on the impl by reusing the interface-ipfs-core tests but through the http-api
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid opened pull request #432: Test IPFS using ipfs-api with the same interface-ipfs-core tests (master...feat/interface-ipfs-core-over-ipfs-api-tests) https://git.io/v6HuU
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid fast-forwarded master from 5182761 to ac5352e: https://git.io/v6Hut
<dignifiedquire> I hate browsers
<dignifiedquire> and javascript
<daviddias> <3 dignifiedquire
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: <3
<dignifiedquire> .....and anything related to module bundeling and different runtimes
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to fetch: https://git.io/v6HuD
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/fetch c28770a Friedel Ziegelmayer: node tests passing, browser blocked
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire opened pull request #355: Replacing wreck with fetch (master...fetch) https://git.io/v6Huh
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to fetch: https://git.io/v6HoI
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/fetch de9e511 Friedel Ziegelmayer: better fetch
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: did you at least make better progress than myself today?
<dignifiedquire> (I mean I made progress, I found out what all does NOT work..)
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to fetch: https://git.io/v6HoH
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/fetch b502cce Friedel Ziegelmayer: drop memory flag
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to deps/libp2p/3.4.0: https://git.io/v6HyT
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/deps/libp2p/3.4.0 ceac5ce Jeromy: update circle.yml to go1.7...
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<cwahlers> dignifiedquire: would it really be too bad if you just do the babel-runtime thing and have app devs (and your tests) pull the polyfill separately? i think if you document that properly it wouldn't be a problem? probably better than hacking something, messing with ze globals in libs, or growing grey hairs?
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<dignifiedquire> cwahlers: I think daviddias was not particularly keen on that idea
<cwahlers> fair enough
<cwahlers> (just realized you don't even need to do the runtime transform in that case, of course)
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created feat/go1.7 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6HNm
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/go1.7 4974136 Jeromy: bump go requirement to 1.7...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #3111: bump go requirement to 1.7 (master...feat/go1.7) https://git.io/v6HNC
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<whyrusleeping> !pin QmNZL8wNsvAGdVYr8uGeUE9aGfHjFpHegAWywQFEdSaJbp dists with new gx
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmNZL8wNsvAGdVYr8uGeUE9aGfHjFpHegAWywQFEdSaJbp
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<whyrusleeping> !botsnack
<pinbot> om nom nom
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/go1.7: https://git.io/v6Hhn
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/go1.7 94a0e16 Jeromy: update gx binary requirements...
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<ekleog> hmm… is there such a thing as a timed pin? like, a pin that naturally expires after some time? that could be useful to use ipfs as a backup mechanism, to naturally rotate backups
<ekleog> (I get it's possible to do that by hand with crons and scripts, but if it already exists…)
<pjz> no, just use an 'at' job
<ekleog> good point (never actually used 'at' yet, forgot about it :))
<ekleog> thanks!
<pjz> np
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<jed_> hi what is the correct way to call the API of the deamon. I'm trying something like http://127.0.0.1:5001/api/v0/add?path=filename but it returns "File argument 'path' is required"
<whyrusleeping> jed_: take a look at the apiary docs: http://docs.ipfs.apiary.io/#reference/add/add
<whyrusleeping> cc richardlitt
<richardlitt> hey jed_
<richardlitt> One second
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<richardlitt> jed_: Check this out http://docs.ipfs.apiary.io/#reference/add
<richardlitt> Ah, haha, whyrusleeping already posted that. My bad.
<richardlitt> :)
<jed_> cool thanks
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<jed_> Is there away to add an object to the daemon without creating a file first?
<daviddias> cwahlers: Unfortunately that won't work, publishing to npm a module that needs to be shimmed with stuff is simplest path for devs not wanting to use it. If there was absolutely no way to transpile successfuly to ES5 (which has to be, we had it till aegir 7.0.0), then it would be better to publish the ES6 version, then throwing a error "Promise is not
<daviddias> defined, or Array.from doesn't exist" //cc dignifiedquire
<whyrusleeping> jed_: you can make plain objects (not ipfs files) with the ipfs object subcommands
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<cwahlers> daviddias: yes i understand, it's suboptimal
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<jed_> whyrusleeping: thanks. so with object/put I have to take the contents I want to store and embed them in JSON with one field called "data" and POST that to the endpoint? Seems like a strange step.
<cwahlers> daviddias: 'Promise not defined' is probably a result of not running babel over node_modules than anything else though, the runtime transform should take care of that
<whyrusleeping> jed_: that depends on what youre trying to do
<whyrusleeping> whats your goal?
<jed_> Basically I have some text that I want to be retrievable by hash
<whyrusleeping> you could just pipe it to add
<whyrusleeping> echo "some text" | ipfs add
<jed_> well I'd rather do it via the API then invoking a porgram to do it
<jed_> it's cool I'll do this. just curious about why put wanted the thing it was putting in JSON
<whyrusleeping> then use curl
<whyrusleeping> echo "stuff" | curl -F "file=@-" "http://localhost:5001/api/v0/add"
<jed_> that is spawning curl :)
<whyrusleeping> then check what http request curl is making there and use that?
<jed_> but you are right I can just call add
<jed_> thanks :)
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<pjz> whyrusleeping: does pinning still block?
<whyrusleeping> pjz: it blocks until all objects are local, yeah
<pjz> okay
<whyrusleeping> we're getting a little closer to being able to have commands not block at all
<whyrusleeping> not much effort has been put into it
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<whyrusleeping> but we have `ipfs diag cmds`
<whyrusleeping> which lets you view running commands
<whyrusleeping> we can easily modify it to allow cancelation of running commands
<whyrusleeping> and we can also add a 'wait for this command to finish running'
<whyrusleeping> once we have those two, adding a backgroundme flag would be pretty nifty
* pjz nods
<pjz> yes, please!
<whyrusleeping> PRs accepted ;)
<pjz> :P
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<pjz> my go skills are a couple years old at this point
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<whyrusleeping> do you write C or python?
<pjz> python
<pjz> by choice
<whyrusleeping> python programmers have such an easy time writing go, not sure why
<whyrusleeping> but its realllly common for pythonista to love go
<pjz> other stuff if I have to
<pjz> yeah, I just didn't have a good reason to write stuff in it at the time
<pjz> so I wrote some toy stuff (including docstring introspection, iirc) and then went back to my day job fixing java code
<whyrusleeping> daviddias: dignifiedquire any idea whats goin on here? http://ci.ipfs.team:8111/viewLog.html?buildId=4922&buildTypeId=GoIpfs_JsIpfsApiTests&tab=buildLog
<whyrusleeping> yeck, fixing java code sounds unpleasant
<pjz> yeah, not my favorite thing
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<pjz> but paid the bills at the time
<pjz> I remember go setup being confusing. should my goroot be my homedir? or like a ~/go dir? or ~/.go and then I should symlink it into my normal places?
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<daviddias> whyrusleeping: "node":"0.10.29"
<whyrusleeping> depends, most of the time you just wanna install go with your package manager
<whyrusleeping> then i just set my GOPATH to ~/gopkg
<daviddias> use Node.js 4 or above
<whyrusleeping> daviddias: eh?
<whyrusleeping> hrm...
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<daviddias> or
<daviddias> use Node.js 6
<daviddias> because if you use 4, you also have to do another step of `npm i npm -g` to get npm 3
<daviddias> With Node.js 6 you are golden
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<whyrusleeping> daviddias: ah, found it. the golang1.7 docker image i'm using as a base uses debian jessie
<whyrusleeping> and debian jessie is old as dirt
<daviddias> ahah
<daviddias> yeah, debian repo has a old version of node
<daviddias> you always have to add the registry from nodesource
<daviddias> seems that the Arch people have it figured out - https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#arch-linux
<whyrusleeping> oh yeah, its super easy on arch
<whyrusleeping> as is like, everything
<daviddias> :D
<whyrusleeping> nvidia drivers? oh yeah, we named that package 'nvidia' and guess what, it just works.
<whyrusleeping> wow, so theres literally no way for the merkledag node marshal call to fail
<whyrusleeping> the protobuf package has a Marshal call that returns an error, but every path returns nil
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<daviddias> every path returns nil?
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created test/merkledag-cover (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6Q3a
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/test/merkledag-cover d5f1f17 Jeromy: improve test coverage on merkledag package...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #3113: improve test coverage on merkledag package (master...test/merkledag-cover) https://git.io/v6Q3o
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<whyrusleeping> daviddias: yeah, theres no codepath in that call that will return any error
<daviddias> Got it got it :)
<whyrusleeping> i was working on improving code coverage, and we werent testing the case where marshaling a node failed
<whyrusleeping> so i tried to make it fail
<whyrusleeping> but it turns out thats not possible
<nandubatchu> Is it possible to create Android apps on IPFS?
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: but I did finish porting js-ipfs-api to fetch :)
<pjz> whyrusleeping: pin rm is pretty fast, right?
<whyrusleeping> pjz: yes
<whyrusleeping> nandubatchu: what do you mean?
<nandubatchu> A complete web app hosted in IPFS
<daviddias> dignifiedquire nice!! remember the roadmap though :)
<dignifiedquire> I do, I also finished unixfs-engine as promised today
<nandubatchu> How many different gateway providers are available now
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/cmds/dht-provide from 25d9246 to 8aac844: https://git.io/v6QGM
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/cmds/dht-provide 8aac844 Jeromy: add -r flag for dht provide...
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<whyrusleeping> this one looks more... real?
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: yep looks real
<whyrusleeping> my problem or your problem?
<dignifiedquire> looks like related to the private restriction change you did in go-ipfs
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<dignifiedquire> so prob needs updating the js test suite cc daviddias
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<pjz> 'ipfs refs' only works on local blocks, right?
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<whyrusleeping> pjz: no, ipfs refs will fetch blocks as needed
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<Remram[m]> How much is it possible to leverage the ipfs codebase and network to exchange things that are not files at all?
<Remram[m]> i.e. messaging, live streaming?
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<deltab> yes; look into libp2p
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: you are working the gh issues pretty hard today :
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: yeah, i'm in a bit of a trance
<whyrusleeping> the guy at the coffee shop has also just been bringing me more coffee periodically
<whyrusleeping> so i literally havent moved in four hours
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: look travis is happy, with browser tests and no memory increase: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-api/pull/355
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: sounds like a good combo :D
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<Remram[m]> How can I create an IPFS commit?
<Remram[m]> Haha no I meant the IPFS "commit"
<Remram[m]> not a Git commit on the IPFS project
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<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
<achin> Remram[m]: what do you mean? ipfs doesn't really have "commit" objects
<whyrusleeping> heres a good issue for someone to take a stab at: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/1246
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: i tried stopping, but i cant
<whyrusleeping> i'm getting close to the end, only six more pages
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
<achin> whyrusleeping is unstoppable
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: whats the option to enable block rehashing from disk?
<Kubuxu> HashOnRead in blockstore
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<whyrusleeping> so like 'ipfs config Blockstore.HashOnRead true' ?
<whyrusleeping> or something?
<whyrusleeping> how do i enabled it
<Kubuxu> ipfs config Datastore.HashOnRead true
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<Remram[m]> White paper says it does
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: alright, made an entire pass through alllll the issues
<whyrusleeping> marked stuff as help_wanted, discussion, verify or closed for the most part
<Kubuxu> should I send more <<3
<whyrusleeping> i'm going to have another pass througb later on to further refine things
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed test/merkledag-cover from d5f1f17 to 6b7c2fe: https://git.io/v6Q1b
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/test/merkledag-cover 6b7c2fe Jeromy: improve test coverage on merkledag package...
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<Remram[m]> Can multiple machines use the same identity/private key?
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<achin> no, i don't believe so
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<ekleog> Remram[m]: o/
<Remram[m]> What would happen?
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<whyrusleeping> Remram[m]: i cant imagine things would work too well
<whyrusleeping> give it a shot and see what happens
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