#ipfs on 2016-08-12 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2016-08-04 12:52 whyrusleeping changed the topic of #ipfs to: Release Candidate 2 of go-ipfs v0.4.3 has been released, available at https://dist.ipfs.io -- IPFS - InterPlanetary File System -- https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs -- FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 -- Channel logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ -- Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0 -- Sprints: https://git.io/voEAh

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00:05 <noffle> aboodman: welcome welcome o/

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00:53 <Guest36568> hi! I was messing with the intro do ipfs and the cat.jpg example seems to not work

00:53 <Guest36568> the command just hangs

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00:53 <Guest36568> anyone know whats up with that?

00:55 <Guest36568> anyone there?

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01:06 <thefinn93> Guest36568: people are here, just busy, stick around

01:07 <thefinn93> i probably can't answer your question, but: what is the cat example? eg what command did you run

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01:12 <Guest36568> thiefinn93: thanks! It actually turns out I missed a character in my copy paste. BUT, it did just hang which was confusing to a new user.

01:12 <Guest36568> I didnt realize it was a human error right away

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01:29 <noffle> Guest36568: it's tricky to not hang. in a centralized network it's easy: if the server says it doesn't exist then it doesn't exist. but on a distributed network just because all of your peers don't have it doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere in the ipfs network, or that it won't soon

01:29 <noffle> so you need to decide how long you want to wait for that

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01:33 <fiatjaf> is IPFS aiming to replace the entire internet?

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01:35 <kuchikuu> hmmmmm

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01:35 <fiatjaf> if yes, then how webpages and links going to work? everything is a merkle tree, so one leaf cannot link to others, right?

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01:36 <fiatjaf> I may be missing something, but it seems that many many versions of pages would have to kept everywhere, so links do not break, and there will be no way of knowing what is the newer version of a webpage

01:37 <baffo32> fiatjaf I believe ipns lets that work, link to the ipns name of a site, then the owner can update it

01:37 <fiatjaf> or how to go to the newer version of a page if you only got the link to an older version

01:37 <baffo32> when I imagine using ipfs as web replacement, I imagine namecoin serving as dns

01:37 <baffo32> but ipns lets owner update a name to point to latest page

01:38 <fiatjaf> ok, imagine you have dns that works, ipns and/or namecoin. that would mean everybody would be linking to namecoin/ipns addresses, instead of linking to immutable ipfs content?

01:39 <kuchikuu> I'm new but so far I've noticed the current advantage of it is media(photos, movies, music(?)). We will see how it goes with "non-static" files. Because a movie is not going to update a frame or anything

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01:39 <kuchikuu> "non-static" ? I mean.. files that will not change in a matter of days

01:40 <baffo32> fiatjaf my understanding is, depending on what they want to link to, yes

01:40 <fiatjaf> that would kinda lose the point of having the immutable content stored

01:41 <ekleog> non-static stuff seems hard to do over ipfs, to me

01:41 <kuchikuu> accessability?

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01:41 <fiatjaf> in fact, no, just realized ipns has (should have?) a "history of commits", so you can see previous versions of the same ipns address as /ipfs/ addresses.

01:42 <baffo32> it seems to me the biggest issue with non-static is that ipns doesn't really work for me. but if you augmented with some side stream, it would work, no?

01:42 <fiatjaf> why it doesn't work?

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01:42 <baffo32> eh for me I couldn't get my name to update. simply wouldn't propagate my updates. i figured the protocol was immature

01:43 <fiatjaf> I understand that. I have the same problem.

01:44 <fiatjaf> (or maybe I haven't understood you)

01:46 <fiatjaf> nevermind.

01:49 <fiatjaf> now I'm thinking that we really should have IPNS forced upon anything. to make it store a history of commits of each content, otherwise we will all get drowned in a sea of meaningless hashes.

01:49 <baffo32> I don't think ipns does the commit history yet

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01:53 <fiatjaf> a more practical question: when you do a dnslink (like https://github.com/ipfs/examples/tree/master/examples/websites says), if the visitor is a IPFS user and the browser extension he is using (that should be working to download the pages from ipfs and serve them from localhost) can't know that the website is an IPFS website, then doesn't that defeats the whole purpose of hosting websites on IPFS?

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01:58 <baffo32> why is there a browser extension again?

01:59 <baffo32> oh ! the advantage is that you don't have to pay anybody to host your site

01:59 <baffo32> and it doesn't go down when the host goes down, as there is no central host

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02:04 <kuchikuu> yeah

02:04 <kuchikuu> but as mentioned before, the update of the site might be problmatic

02:07 <kuchikuu> if you want to test it

02:07 <kuchikuu> then make a website, publish it. I will test it. Then try to update it. Will test it again

02:08 <baffo32> also http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipns/<peer id>

02:09 <kuchikuu> then what happens with my old cached file?

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02:09 <kuchikuu> if you upate the website, the "peer id" is the same

02:09 <kuchikuu> so I can access it. But I also download the content

02:10 <kuchikuu> an that is index.html, right?

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02:10 <baffo32> right note the '/ipns/' in the url -- that's for what e.g. a website points to. each file and folder is still public under its particular hash

02:10 <kuchikuu> so after an update I should have 2 index files

02:12 <kuchikuu> I'm confused XD

02:14 <kuchikuu> Also, what about things like php? It's a server-side unlike html's client-side processing. How woul that work if we were about to abanon "the old internet"?

02:15 <baffo32> I think most p2p web techs address that with client-side javascript

02:15 <baffo32> yes, you have two index files. your ipns url refers to only the latest

02:16 <kuchikuu> so the first index file is just a junk file that takes my 100's of kb

02:17 <kuchikuu> any way to let's say delete it?

02:17 <kuchikuu> if every website was about to leave some junk behind, it would become pretty messy

02:17 <baffo32> it exists as long as people are using it

02:17 <baffo32> once nobody uses it anymore it goes away

02:18 <wes_> also you can let it get garbage collected right?

02:18 <wes_> on your machine?

02:18 <kuchikuu> I don't know XD

02:18 <wes_> i think i read something about that

02:18 <wes_> you have to unpin it right?

02:19 <wes_> https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTkzDwWqPbnAh5YiV5VwcTLnGdwSNsNTn2aDxdXBFca7D/example#/ipfs/QmQwAP9vFjbCtKvD8RkJdCvPHqLQjZfW7Mqbbqx18zd8j7/pinning/readme.md

02:19 <baffo32> i think you only have to unpin it if you pinned it

02:19 <wes_> well if you published it on your node it is automatically pinned right?

02:19 <wes_> thats how i read that link anyway

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02:20 <baffo32> looks like it

02:22 <baffo32> i.e. wes_ is right, I was wrong, have to unpin the old index file to delete it

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02:23 <fiatjaf> can IPLD resolve IPNS links?

02:23 <kuchikuu> ughrrr.... I have a hard time understanding the "pinning" X_X Maybe 4 AM makes me think worse

02:23 <fiatjaf> will it?

02:23 <baffo32> kuchikuu "pinning" something ensures it is always physically on your harddisk

02:25 <kuchikuu> Thank you for explaining.

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02:28 <codehero> huh. the release candidate works pretty well

02:30 <wes_> so sometimes requesting from http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/ can be pretty slow huh?

02:30 <kuchikuu> flatjaf, don't think your question is ignored. I honestly have no idea :<

02:31 <kuchikuu> fiatjaf

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02:34 <kuchikuu> ok so this is an image hosted by everyone who have seen it (https://ipfs.pics/ipfs/QmZNZg54DVxGjLizTz9ShDHopMTznmvYYJtLtDb4ewtkFt ). So does that mean when I open this link in my browser the daemon downloads it on my PC?

02:34 <kuchikuu> how does daemon know that I've opened it when I did it in my browser not by "ipfs cat..." command

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02:35 <baffo32> ipfs.pics is doing what you say, running the ipfs daemon

02:35 <baffo32> alternatively you can visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ipfs/QmZNZg54DVxGjLizTz9ShDHopMTznmvYYJtLtDb4ewtkFt

02:36 <baffo32> then you contact your daemon to fetch it, which is running at 127.0.0.1:8080

02:36 <wes_> if ipfs swarm peers shows no peers, but my daemon is still running, is there a way to get it to reconnect other than restarting it?

02:37 * baffo32 secretly knows very little about ipfs. he read the paper a year ago and hasn't been using it

02:37 <wes_> haha baffo ;)

02:38 <kuchikuu> 04:38:25.458 ERROR core/serve: Path Resolve error: Failed to get block for QmZNZg54DVxGjLizTz9ShDHopMTznmvYYJtLtDb4ewtkFt: context canceled gateway_handler.go:510

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02:39 <kuchikuu> ah it's because I gave up

02:39 <kuchikuu> lel

02:39 <kuchikuu> so I just need to wait and wait and wait untill I fetch the data?

02:39 <fiatjaf> ahah, thank you, kuchikuu

02:40 <wes_> so randomly my daemon appears to have lost connection with all the peers. is this common? restarting it brought back the connection

02:41 <kuchikuu> CONNECTED TO 17 PEERS

02:41 <kuchikuu> that's no good?

02:41 <fiatjaf> kuchikuu: the daemon cannot know unless you tell him. that's where you need a browser extension that translates requests to ipfs.io/ipfs/* to localhost:8080/ipfs/*, then your daemon will know it has to download.

02:42 <kuchikuu> I see

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02:42 <fiatjaf> kuchikuu: look at your bandwidth usage (just to know if I'm the only having problems with bandwidth here).

02:42 * kuchikuu still waits for http://127.0.0.1:8080/ipfs/QmZNZg54DVxGjLizTz9ShDHopMTznmvYYJtLtDb4ewtkFt)

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02:43 <kuchikuu> I don't know to what should I compare the bandwidth. It goes heavily because I'm listening to KPop on plug.dj XD

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02:45 * kuchikuu still waits for (http://127.0.0.1:8080/ipfs/QmZNZg54DVxGjLizTz9ShDHopMTznmvYYJtLtDb4ewtkFt)

02:45 <kuchikuu> maybe I shoul restart it

02:46 <kuchikuu> woach *****

02:46 <kuchikuu> loaded almost instantly

02:46 <kuchikuu> the restart solved the problem O_O

02:47 <wes_> restart of the daemon?

02:47 <kuchikuu> yes

02:47 <wes_> yeah, i had to do that as well

02:48 <wes_> seems like it is buggy maybe

02:48 <wes_> #AlphaSoftware :)

02:48 <kuchikuu> I was waiting an waiting for the image to download, after the restart, it went SMOOTH

02:48 <kuchikuu> yeah

02:48 <wes_> yep, exactly for me

02:48 <kuchikuu> #cannotcomplai

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02:49 <kuchikuu> I'm an opera user :< is there an extension for me too ?

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02:50 <baffo32> you don't need an extension, you just need to configure your ipfs daemon to listen on port 80 and your computer to route ipfs.io to localhost (hosts file)

02:50 <baffo32> ... I say this because I'm not aware of an extension

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02:51 <kuchikuu> ok thanks

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02:56 <baffo32> whyrusleeping I'm trying to install ipns-pub and can't seem to `go get -u github.com/whyrusleeping/gx-go`

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02:56 <baffo32> it spews out gocode/src/github.com/whyrusleeping/gx-go/importer.go:235: undefined: build.MultiplePackageError

02:56 <baffo32> is this another need for updated dependencies?

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02:57 <baffo32> or maybe i am missing some local build tool ...

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02:59 <kuchikuu> there's no need of me keeping the laptop on for the night, since to download content I need to fetch it first, right?

02:59 <kuchikuu> and no content downloaded = no upload

02:59 <kuchikuu> no upload = no use?

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03:07 <kuchikuu> bye all :)

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03:12 <baffo32> ah I see my golang is too old for ipns-pub

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03:42 <baffo32> arrrrgh ipns-pub never works

03:42 <baffo32> maybe i can run multiple ipfs daemons

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03:53 <whyrusleeping> baffo32: doesnt work in what way?

03:53 <baffo32> ehh it needs dependency updates again

03:53 <baffo32> but I could never get the names I published with it to actually propagate

03:53 <whyrusleeping> oooh, fixing that is on our todo list

03:53 <whyrusleeping> oh, the names it publishes not resolving would be a bug

03:53 <whyrusleeping> if that happens could you file an issue on its repo?

03:54 <baffo32> yeah. I can't even get it to install right now though

03:54 <baffo32> does it need to be run regularly? or is running it once enough, and then any other peers will keep the name fresh?

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03:57 <Mateon1> baffo32: If your node is up, it will update automatically

03:57 <Mateon1> Name records are usually only valid for a small amount of time

03:57 <Mateon1> Not sure how long exactly. Between 12 hours and a week

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04:00 <baffo32> Mateon1 ipns-pub is a side program ... I tihnk it updates names without a running node (?). it sounds like it needs to be run twice a day at most

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04:06 <Mateon1> I have a question : How do I get 1500 hashes into my IPFS datastore, quickly, in parellel, without writing them all to disk.

04:06 <Mateon1> *all to disk as files, I want to cache them

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04:08 <Mateon1> Hm, I think the fastest might be to use the browser, but it has a limited amount of sockets. 30-50

04:09 <Mateon1> I expect most of this content to hang, since most of it is backed by few nodes that go offline every once in a while

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04:23 <zero-ghost> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/08/microsoft-secure-boot-firmware-snafu-leaks-golden-key/

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04:57 <noffle> Mateon1: might be easiest to mount a ramfs (if linux) and put your ipfs repo there

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05:14 <Mateon1> noffle: Not linux, unfortunately

05:14 <Mateon1> I don't think I was clear

05:14 <Mateon1> I want my node to cache that content, without permanently pinning it

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05:17 <Mateon1> I might make a JS app faster than script things in the shell.

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06:26 <davidar> Mateon1: you can just pipe data into ipfs add

06:26 <davidar> doesn't need to be put into a file first

06:27 <Mateon1> davidar: `cat hashes.txt | ipfs add`? Will that do 1500 hashes, some of which are unavailable at the moment?

06:27 <Mateon1> Won't that just create a new object from the hashes file?

06:28 <davidar> oh, i see what you mean

06:28 <davidar> just run ipfs refs -r HASH for each hash

06:29 <Mateon1> davidar: Hm, but that will block on each hash

06:29 <davidar> it will probably hang if a hash isn't available though, so you might need to kill it if they happens

06:29 <Mateon1> Oh, but I can background them. Still, 1500 processes sounds terrible

06:30 <Mateon1> I'll continue on with the JS app

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08:06 <Ling> heh

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08:07 <Kubuxu> To be annoying.

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08:20 <Nycatelos> o_0

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10:16 <tester30297[m]> this is a test

10:16 <Nycatelos> test recieved

10:18 <tester30297[m]> is this like mattermost?

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10:24 <davidar> tester30297: depends what you mean by "this"

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10:26 <tester30297[m]> sorry guys, i logged on to vector.im. didnt realize it connected me to irc

10:28 <davidar> tester30297: you're probably after #matrix:matrix.org then

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10:54 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid pushed 1 new commit to feat/ipfs-factory: https://git.io/v60BJ

10:54 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/feat/ipfs-factory d5ec781 David Dias: feat(factory): create the factory (with socket.io) and attach it to the tests

10:54 <baffo32> does ipfs work behind a firewall? maybe this is my issue

10:56 <daviddias> baffo32: depends on what firewall you have

10:56 <baffo32> I have added Qmd3GfrRgdmf5e39uQVAhFUn4Gn9MYv2LxyN3VmNLkNFQK but I can't seem to get it to show up at ipfs.io

10:56 <daviddias> if it is one with "drop all packets", then no :)

10:56 <daviddias> do ipfs swarm peers

10:56 <daviddias> and check how many peers you are connected

10:56 <baffo32> 88 peers

10:56 <daviddias> also, which ipfs version

10:56 <baffo32> 0.4.2

10:57 <daviddias> should work

10:57 <baffo32> my firewall drops incoming packets

10:57 <daviddias> wanna try 0.4.3-rc2?

10:57 <baffo32> sure

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10:58 <baffo32> hmm I'm not actually seeing that at https://dist.ipfs.io despite chat topic

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10:59 <daviddias> oh, weird

10:59 <Kubuxu> https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs/v0.4.3-rc3

10:59 <daviddias> dignifiedquire: whyrusleeping did you reversed dist.ipfs.io?

10:59 <Kubuxu> Juan wanted the rc not to be recommended.

10:59 <daviddias> thank you kubuxu :)

11:00 <Kubuxu> We didn't have time to redesign the page itself to include both pre-release and stable.

11:00 <daviddias> btw, https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs/v0.4.3-rc2 is not available anymore

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11:01 <cow_2001> what do you guys think of hyperboria?

11:01 <cow_2001> and cjdns

11:01 <daviddias> dignifiedquire: do you have time to CR a bit? https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-api/pull/340

11:02 <daviddias> cow_2001: other than that ansuz guy, I think it is pretty cool :P

11:02 <baffo32> heh it tries to download binaries to perform migrations and upgrade repo, but it can't because repo is not upgraded

11:03 <daviddias> CJDNS related notes: https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/14 https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/129 https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/143

11:03 <daviddias> baffo32: the tooling for migration is here https://github.com/ipfs/fs-repo-migrations/

11:04 <daviddias> sorry about the hurdles, if you don't mind, after you manage to do the upgrade, write down the process and how you think it can be improved

11:04 <baffo32> oh here's my issue

11:04 <daviddias> if ipfs is not able to resolve, it should default to http

11:04 <baffo32> I'm using -c to use a custom config dir, but this is not passed to fs-repo-migrations, and it fails to upgrade my custom dir

11:04 <cow_2001> daviddias: ansuz? i love drama. what's the drama with ansuz?

11:05 <daviddias> cow_2001: ahaha I was just joking, <3 ansuz

11:05 <cow_2001> oh, there's a cross pollination between the two cultures?! that's *so cool*!

11:05 <daviddias> lgierth and Kubuxu are both IPFS and cjdns devs :)

11:06 <cow_2001> free software rulez. :|

11:06 <cow_2001> how do i learn about networking?

11:07 <cow_2001> stuff like DAG and Merkles and DHTs and whatnot

11:07 <daviddias> network programming - http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/

11:07 <cow_2001> oooh, you guys even have a handy link to a guide!

11:07 <cow_2001> this community rocks.

11:07 <daviddias> well, my advice, is pick a subject and invest some time on it

11:08 <daviddias> there are plenty of books

11:08 <daviddias> tutorials

11:08 <daviddias> lectures

11:08 <daviddias> (also in coursera)

11:08 <daviddias> and hack on things while you are reading

11:08 <daviddias> thank you :)

11:09 <cow_2001> wait, am i derailing a useful conversation?

11:09 <cow_2001> i wouldn't want to do that.

11:09 <daviddias> ?

11:09 <daviddias> you are good :)

11:09 <cow_2001> you were talking about stuff before i budged in

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11:10 <cow_2001> i'm writing this little irc bot in python. it's my first time doing actual concurrency.

11:11 <daviddias> nice :)

11:11 <daviddias> good talk to see on that topic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN_DpYBzKso

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11:12 <cow_2001> i've watched that lecture a few years back

11:12 <cow_2001> he's amazing

11:12 <cow_2001> his wife is also amazing with her mascots

11:13 <dignifiedquire> daviddias: one comment

11:14 <cow_2001> anyways, how much do i overshoot thinking about microservices that do each job and communicate with zeromq?

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11:15 <baffo32> daviddias everything working with new version =)

11:15 <daviddias> dignifiedquire: thank you :) answered

11:16 <daviddias> baffo32: sweet! We had some networking issues in 0.4.2 that are now fixed in 0.4.3

11:16 <cow_2001> in golang, microservices is how you do stuff. in python, it's kinda a hassle.

11:18 <cow_2001> is beej one of the original UNIX greybeards?

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11:18 <haad> !pin QmZsXaehcd3kYLQkiS1VS9r3b3D42Ddy2uRtqccG2Ygh1x

11:18 <pinbot> usage: !pin <hash> <label>

11:18 <haad> !pin QmZsXaehcd3kYLQkiS1VS9r3b3D42Ddy2uRtqccG2Ygh1x orbit screenshot

11:18 <pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmZsXaehcd3kYLQkiS1VS9r3b3D42Ddy2uRtqccG2Ygh1x

11:20 <cow_2001> hmm.. the bot won't react to !help or help in private. i guess it might be whitelisted

11:20 <baffo32> !help

11:20 <haad> I think it only responds to bot admins

11:21 <baffo32> !pin Qmd3GfrRgdmf5e39uQVAhFUn4Gn9MYv2LxyN3VmNLkNFQK

11:21 <baffo32> yup i'm not special enough

11:21 <daviddias> !friends

11:22 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid deleted feat/ipfs-factory at d5ec781: https://git.io/v600w

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11:23 <cow_2001> this beej guy looks cool. :|

11:24 <Kubuxu> !firends

11:24 <cow_2001> fire ends

11:25 <Kubuxu> in theory this command should work, for some reason it doesn't.

11:25 <Kubuxu> src of pinbot: https://github.com/whyrusleeping/pinbot

11:25 <Kubuxu> !botsnack

11:25 <pinbot> om nom nom

11:25 <M-mubot> That's very nice of you!

11:25 M-mubot was kicked from #ipfs by Kubuxu [that is not for you]

11:31 <pinbot> pin 8/8 successes -- https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmZsXaehcd3kYLQkiS1VS9r3b3D42Ddy2uRtqccG2Ygh1x

11:32 <haad> there we go

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11:35 <Mateon1> haad: Nice, is it a fork of irssi?

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11:35 <haad> no, a prototype of a terminal client for Orbit

11:36 <haad> obviously the visuals are influenced by irssi :)

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11:38 <cow_2001> Orbit?

11:39 * cow_2001 looks it up

11:39 <cow_2001> huh, it's a cjdns thing

11:39 <haad> https://github.com/haadcode/orbit

11:40 <haad> nope, it's a IPFS thing

11:40 <cow_2001> oooh oop

11:40 <cow_2001> s

11:40 <haad> chat app on IPFS, ie. the messages/communication are saved in IPFS

11:40 <cow_2001> found this one ~_~ https://github.com/FrauBienenstich/orbit-irc

11:41 <Mateon1> By the way, what's the planned realtime protocol over IPFS called? I remember seeing a mention of it in one of the repos

11:41 <haad> yup, that's a prototype for replicating IRC messages to Orbit's channels

11:41 <haad> Mateon1: pubsub?

11:41 <cow_2001> real time O_o

11:41 <Mateon1> haad: I think that's, it, let me check

11:42 <Mateon1> haad: Yup, thanks

11:42 <haad> https://github.com/libp2p/pubsub

11:42 <haad> we just moved all the information to that repo this week

11:42 <haad> there's a lot of discussion around it from the past, hopefully you'll find the info you're looking for

11:43 <cow_2001> ipfs has an interesting level of granularity in terms of git repos

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11:47 <vapid> chat on ipfs would be amazing

11:48 <haad> we're getting there...

11:50 <lgierth> o/

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12:47 <daviddias> haad: went through the pm process doc. Super solid work, I was pleased reading through it, throwing a lot of thumbs up at my screen :D

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13:34 <victorbjelkholm_> Just came across this: https://github.com/pfrazee/beaker browser with built in support for IPFS + Dat

13:34 <victorbjelkholm_> has an introduction blogpost here: http://pfrazee.github.io/2016/08/10/beaker-browser-0.1.html

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13:42 <cow_2001> hah! "Now, this model is so general you could probably use it as an automobile repair guide if you really wanted to."

13:43 <cow_2001> it's superfun to read :|

13:44 <cow_2001> daviddias: thank you!

13:44 <daviddias> cow_2001: ahah where is that written?

13:45 <cow_2001> https://beej.us/guide/bgnet/output/html/multipage/theory.html

13:45 <daviddias> got it! :)

13:47 <yangwao> wuah beaker browser

13:48 <haad> daviddias: thanks! and thanks for the comments. I got stuck on something else today, but will continue writing it tomorrow, should be able to finish it over the weekend.

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13:54 <victorbjelkholm_> yangwao, yeah, cool stuff! Missing ipns support though, but the plugin architecture seems simple

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14:01 <yangwao> victorbjelkholm_: I just never heard of solid https://github.com/solid/solid looks nice :)

14:02 <cow_2001> omg omg omg he is going to explain IP masks and stuff like that! :D

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14:02 <cow_2001> i never picked up that bit in my loonix voyages

14:03 <cow_2001> GNU voyages

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14:09 <cow_2001> or maybe not

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14:14 <kuchikuu> Hi. Anything new?

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14:17 <cow_2001> "Think of the IP address as the street address of a hotel, and the port number as the room number. That's a decent analogy; maybe later I'll come up with one involving the automobile industry."

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14:20 <kuchikuu> Nice

14:20 <kuchikuu> but cow

14:20 <kuchikuu> cow_2001, ip is a street address, port is a room number

14:21 <kuchikuu> So we have the street and the room

14:21 <kuchikuu> where's the Hotel itself? :D

14:21 <fiatjaf> the street address should give you that that.

14:22 <kuchikuu> What if there are many hotels?

14:22 <kuchikuu> if I pick Coockie Valley street

14:23 <kuchikuu> Cookie*

14:23 <kuchikuu> and a number let's say 80

14:23 <kuchikuu> then which hotel should I go in? Many hotels can have room number above 80

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14:26 <cow_2001> kuchikuu: :|

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14:26 <cow_2001> maybe he means oh fiat jaf said that already

14:27 <kuchikuu> dunno I just joined here ^_^

14:27 <cow_2001> the address gives you the number of building

14:27 <cow_2001> maybe

14:27 <cow_2001> i'm reading this guide to network programming by beej

14:28 <kuchikuu> ahhhh

14:28 <vapid> read the "learn you a haskell" book

14:28 <vapid> it will change your life

14:28 <kuchikuu> so it's not just the street address, but it's the whole adress to the cuilding. Now I get it

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14:29 <cow_2001> i'd recommend the haskellbook.com

14:30 <Kubuxu> !pin QmaeHSCBd9XjXxmgHEiKkHtLcMCb2eZsPLKT7bHgBfBkqw go-is-domain

14:30 <pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmaeHSCBd9XjXxmgHEiKkHtLcMCb2eZsPLKT7bHgBfBkqw

14:30 <pinbot> pin 8/8 successes -- https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmaeHSCBd9XjXxmgHEiKkHtLcMCb2eZsPLKT7bHgBfBkqw

14:31 <vapid> its so funny though

14:31 <vapid> how monads are a really simpleish concept

14:31 <vapid> and how almost every online turorial makes it seem complicated

14:31 <vapid> them whatever

14:32 <cow_2001> yep

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14:32 <cow_2001> there's also a series of exercises which build monads and weirder things out of the most basic stuff

14:33 <cow_2001> each typeclass builds on the previous ones

14:33 <cow_2001> adding laws

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14:41 <ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu created feat/is-domain-to-gxx (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v605H

14:41 <ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/is-domain-to-gxx cf23ab9 Jakub Sztandera: deps: move go-is-domain to gx...

14:44 <ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu opened pull request #3077: deps: move go-is-domain to gx (master...feat/is-domain-to-gxx) https://git.io/v60dC

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14:50 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid created greenkeeper-lodash-4.15.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v60Fu

14:50 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs/greenkeeper-lodash-4.15.0 2f2e5d7 greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update lodash to version 4.15.0...

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15:06 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-lodash-4.15.0 at 2f2e5d7: https://git.io/v60NQ

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16:08 <dignifiedquire> daviddias: I started on interface-pull-blob-store https://github.com/ipfs/interface-pull-blob-store

16:09 <dignifiedquire> includes basic tests, and reference memory implementation

16:09 <daviddias> awesome! :)

16:09 <daviddias> it will need one of those nice badges

16:09 <daviddias> like, the disk but with a straw or something :)

16:10 <ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] MrSparc opened pull request #3078: Fix dist_get script: prevents get_go_vars() returns same %s-%s values twice (master...master) https://git.io/v6ET8

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16:10 <dignifiedquire> :D

16:11 <dignifiedquire> PRs welcome

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16:37 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid created feat/update-files-add (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6Eto

16:37 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs/feat/update-files-add 8af1abc David Dias: feat(files.add): update API to conform latest interface-ipfs-core updates

16:37 <daviddias> ahah dignifiedquire I'll use my designer mad skillz muhaha

16:37 <dignifiedquire> :D

16:37 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid opened pull request #413: feat(files.add): update API to conform latest interface-ipfs-core updates (master...feat/update-files-add) https://git.io/v6EtH

16:37 <daviddias> how is the pull-streams endeavour, having fun migrating all the things?

16:38 <dignifiedquire> lots of fun :D

16:38 <dignifiedquire> progress was made

16:38 <dignifiedquire> I won't fully finish though this sprint

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16:39 <dignifiedquire> I've updated PRs to the issue

16:39 <dignifiedquire> if you have some time to help me it would be appreciated :)

16:40 <daviddias> I've figured, I'm already counting with 2 or 3 days extra to reach this milestone. The interface-ipfs-core has been taking more time than I hoped for. Yes, I definitely want to help on the pull streams, hopefully, I'll get some time to hack on it this weekend :)

16:41 <daviddias> then , it is test extravaganza time!

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16:45 <codehero> https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTkzDwWqPbnAh5YiV5VwcTLnGdwSNsNTn2aDxdXBFca7D/example#/ipfs/QmQwAP9vFjbCtKvD8RkJdCvPHqLQjZfW7Mqbbqx18zd8j7/ipns/readme.md lol "viola"

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17:01 <dignifiedquire> daviddias: cool :) if you want you can do the webrtc-star module, that's the one I have the least knowlede about and it would be great to get that done :)

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17:06 <daviddias> ok, I can start with that one then :)

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17:13 <codehero> what's the difference between direct, indirect, and recursive?

17:13 <codehero> in terms of pinning

17:15 <codehero> okay. i found an explanation

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17:43 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid created feat/update-files-add (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6EWD

17:43 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/feat/update-files-add 9940742 David Dias: feat(files.add): conform with latest interface-ipfs-core spec

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17:44 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid opened pull request #345: feat(files.add): conform with latest interface-ipfs-core spec (master...feat/update-files-add) https://git.io/v6EWx

17:45 <dignifiedquire> daviddias: alrighty https://github.com/ipfs/js-fs-pull-blob-store is done

17:45 <dignifiedquire> and this is list is not empty anymore https://github.com/ipfs/interface-pull-blob-store#modules-that-use-this

17:45 <daviddias> :D

17:45 <dignifiedquire> enought for me today :)

17:46 <daviddias> nice work!

17:46 <daviddias> does the tests offer 100% coverage?

17:46 <daviddias> It would be good to guarantee a good coverage from the interface tests

17:46 <dignifiedquire> not yet

17:47 <dignifiedquire> it's somewhere around 85% atm

17:47 <dignifiedquire> we can certainly aim for that

17:47 <daviddias> not that bad. If we can get 100% for fs and idb just from interface tests, then any other implementation will also have some good coverage (of course it depends of what the impl is doing)

17:47 <dignifiedquire> agreed

17:48 <daviddias> thank you for shipping all the things :)

17:48 <dignifiedquire> it's mostly error handling that's not fully covered atm

17:48 <dignifiedquire> they already on npm :)

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17:49 <haad> did this today: https://github.com/haadcode/orbit-textui. blessed is awesome for text uis!

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17:51 <daviddias> xicombd ^^ I know you will find that fun to play with :)

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18:42 <ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] MrSparc closed pull request #3078: Fix dist_get script: prevents get_go_vars() returns same %s-%s values twice (master...master) https://git.io/v6ET8

18:42 <ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] MrSparc reopened pull request #3078: Fix dist_get script: prevents get_go_vars() returns same %s-%s values twice (master...master) https://git.io/v6ET8

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18:51 <ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #457: Update eslint to version 3.3.0

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19:04 <ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu created feat/MrSparc-dist_get (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6EV5

19:04 <ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/MrSparc-dist_get e26ce57 Jakub Sztandera: bin: dist_get script: prevents get_go_vars() returns same values twice...

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19:05 <ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] Kubuxu opened pull request #3079: bin: dist_get script: prevents get_go_vars() returns same values twice (master...feat/MrSparc-dist_get) https://git.io/v6EVp

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19:30 <pfrazee> can object.links() take an ipns pubkey as its multihash input?

19:30 <pfrazee> if yes, then is the DNS resolution code put in a js lib anywhere, or is there a spec for it?

19:31 <daviddias> pfrazee: it can

19:31 <daviddias> but what you get is going to be the object of the pubkey

19:31 <daviddias> and IPNS hash is the hash(pubkey) that hashed the record

19:32 <daviddias> pfrazee: which DNS resolution specifically ?

19:32 <pfrazee> daviddias: ok, will the pubkey's object have the current data-object's hash?

19:33 <pfrazee> daviddias: as for DNS, Im not sure; I see some ipns links using shortnames

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19:39 <daviddias> pfrazee: dns: example?

19:40 <pfrazee> ipfs:/ipfs/QmU5XsVwvJfTcCwqkK1SmTqDmXWSQWaTa7ZcVLY2PDxNxG/ipfs_links.html has some links

19:40 <pfrazee> ipfs:/ipns/www.mindeco.de/ for instance

19:40 <pfrazee> that txt is dnslink=/ipfs/QmVgg3svr4SSJgKgscWj1Leje7E6Vo6uPVLGiUCv6DpUBG

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19:40 <pfrazee> so... that's pretty obvious to parse

19:42 <daviddias> yeah, all of those have the dnslink

19:42 <pfrazee> should I support that?

19:42 <daviddias> there is this tool https://github.com/ipfs/dnslink-deploy for publishing them

19:42 <daviddias> if you use DO

19:42 <daviddias> the resolution is in go https://github.com/jbenet/go-dnslink

19:42 <daviddias> IPFS should give you that for free, no?

19:43 <pfrazee> maybe it does and I didnt notice

19:43 <daviddias> every IPFS node should do that resolution

19:43 <pfrazee> links() wouldnt do the DNS work, would it?

19:44 <daviddias> no, object is a pretty 'dumb' graph manipulation API

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19:44 <daviddias> name uses object

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19:44 <daviddias> but the dns link solution is not exposed through the http-api. Now that you mention this, I think it should

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19:47 <pfrazee> ok yeah. So I'll just build in some parsing for the dns stuff (very easy) and add support for when links() is given a pubkey

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19:56 <lgierth> hey pfrazee, beaker is great <3 any plans to support fs: too?

19:56 <pfrazee> lgierth: thanks! Is fs: the same as ipfs: ?

19:56 <lgierth> (i'm on holiday one more week, i can help you out with any questions then -- kubuxu can too i guess :>)

19:56 <lgierth> pfrazee: yes it's the canonical scheme, let me find you the github issue

19:57 <lgierth> TODO: fs: needs a spec

19:57 <lgierth> here https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/1678#issuecomment-157478515

19:57 <Kubuxu> ??

19:57 <Kubuxu> ah, yeah

19:58 <pfrazee> lgierth: yeah I've seen this. This is kind of tricky. The URI specs are pretty specific that you shouldnt use really generic scheme names, arent they?

19:58 <Kubuxu> Yes but in case of IPFS we aim at uniforming filesystem access and URI access.

19:58 <lgierth> ugh not sure -- it must be covered in that github issue. i'll dig it up when i'm back :)

19:59 <Kubuxu> Currently we have PoC of FUSE mount of /ipfs/ and /ipns/

19:59 <lgierth> yeah what kubuxu said -- that's why it's fs:/ipfs/hash and not fs:/hash

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20:01 <pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmVreNvKsQmQZ83T86cWSjPu2vR3yZHGPm5jnxFuunEB9u

20:01 <pinbot> pin 8/8 successes -- https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmVreNvKsQmQZ83T86cWSjPu2vR3yZHGPm5jnxFuunEB9u

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20:02 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid pushed 1 new commit to feat/update-files-add: https://git.io/v6EXP

20:02 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/feat/update-files-add e7b1ec4 David Dias: feat(ci): add node.js 6 (stable) testing

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20:03 <ekleog> beware of things like plan9 where a "single fs" does not make sense afaiu

20:04 <ekleog> ( http://www.9gridchan.org/plan_9_basics , "Each process you control has its own view of namespace which might be different from yours", they use the word "namespace" to indicate a root of the "filesystem" afaiu)

20:04 <ekleog> so using fs:/ on plan9 would be dependent on how one did setup the browser, which may be counter-intuitive

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20:06 <ekleog> (besides, maybe I don't see something, but what's wrong with file://?)

20:07 <pfrazee> I'm personally inclined to stick with URI standards, including the bit about generic scheme names. The gopher protocol looked like a winner before the www took off. Even HTTP could die. Protocols go defunct. It seems problematic to let IPFS become "the" fs:

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20:16 <pfrazee> daviddias: when I call `ipfs object links <ipns pubkey>` it just hangs

20:16 <daviddias> have you published the IPNS record before?

20:16 <pfrazee> yeah

20:17 <pfrazee> and `ipfs name resolve` works with it

20:17 <daviddias> because IPNS records (currently) are not MerkleDAG Objects, they are stored in the DHT

20:17 <daviddias> weird

20:17 <daviddias> should return the pubkey

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20:17 <daviddias> unless, go-ipfs is now storing the pubkey with the record (to reduce round trips)

20:17 <pfrazee> daviddias: should I file an issue somewhere?

20:18 <daviddias> yeah, in go-ipfs :)

20:18 <pfrazee> ok will do

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20:34 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid force-pushed feat/update-files-add from 8af1abc to 28b0bb7: https://git.io/v6ESn

20:34 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs/feat/update-files-add 28b0bb7 David Dias: feat(files.add): update API to conform latest interface-ipfs-core updates

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20:37 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #346: Update interface-ipfs-core to version 0.8.0

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20:39 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-interface-ipfs-core-0.8.0 at d85b237: https://git.io/v6E9O

20:40 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid force-pushed feat/update-files-add from e7b1ec4 to 8a984a8: https://git.io/v6E9R

20:40 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/feat/update-files-add 8a984a8 David Dias: feat(ci): add node.js 6 (stable) testing

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20:50 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-interface-ipfs-core-0.8.0 at 15fffc0: https://git.io/v6EHQ

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23:15 <russelsteapot> how does ipfs work for a social media website, where users need to authenticate in to editing the content, and then updating that content?

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23:25 <kuchikuu> I would like to know the answer too....

23:26 <codehero> i think you'd need something like ethereum for that

23:27 <codehero> or zeronet

23:27 <noffle> russelsteapot: it depends what you mean by 'authenticate'. if every user is identified by their own private key they generated, they only need to sign their data they publish to be authenticated

23:28 <noffle> centralized authentication is only necessary when there's a centralized authority; if your distributed app has no central authority, it may not need central authentication

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23:29 <noffle> many client:server concepts don't map 1:1 onto distributed networks

23:29 <russelsteapot> so then what about when i want to edit my social media page? a new page will then be generated for each and every modification that i make to my page?

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23:29 <noffle> russelsteapot: there are many approaches. maybe you publish a diff to your signed feed describing the change, and other peers use that diff to generate your final html social media page locally

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23:30 <noffle> append-only logs are a very distributed-friendly construct for these sorts of things (social media in particular)

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23:30 <noffle> google kappa architecture

23:31 <russelsteapot> ok, so ipfs would provide me the ability to append, but not modify prior content. i guess that is the trade off for having a distributed system

23:31 <codehero> you could probably modify it. just not permanently delete

23:31 <codehero> i'd imagine it'd be sort of like a git commit

23:32 <noffle> russelsteapot: you could functionally modify old content (mark an old thing as deleted), but the old data is hard to get rid of, and in fact would invalidate the rest of the log

23:32 <noffle> codehero: yes, much like git

23:32 <noffle> append immutable changes only

23:32 <russelsteapot> hmm intriguing

23:33 <russelsteapot> noffle, do you know if any social media sites that use ipfs exist yet?

23:33 <noffle> russelsteapot: I think there are a few

23:39 <russelsteapot> noffle, i had never even heard about kappa architecture, this is going to take up a good couple days of reading

23:40 <russelsteapot> im assuming that kappa architecture is how ipfs is handling the type of versioning that I was originally asking about?

23:44 <noffle> russelsteapot: core ipfs by itself doesn't do versioning of its objects; that's an application logic concern

23:45 <noffle> yes, lots of reading to be had :)

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23:53 <ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] diasdavid pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6utv

23:53 <ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/master 3fc7042 David Dias: Merge pull request #345 from ipfs/feat/update-files-add...

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23:57 <kuchikuu> yesterday there as a talk about websites. You just unpin the old document

23:57 <kuchikuu> and with time it gets deleted

23:57 <kuchikuu> if that's correct what I understood