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plorph >
how is it possible i added a file to ipfs, turned off my daemon and can still see it from ipfs.io ?
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can you trace an origin of a file? ie who introduced it in the beginning?
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plorph >
well without http: also
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deltab >
check ipfs config Addresses.Gateway
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deltab >
you can use ipfs dht findprovs to list providers of an object, but afaik there's no indication of an original
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alu >
anone @ defcon ?
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ansuz >
</3 matrix bridges
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yoshuawuyts: hey you around? I have got some questions about streams/pull-streams!
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ansuz: hm?
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cjd >
davidar: if you don't have quit/join filtered on your irc client, the matrix bridge causes an avalanche of crap every time it crashes
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davidar >
cjd: no different from a netsplit?
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davidar >
also it's usually purposefully restarted rather than crashing afaik
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cjd >
in irssi netsplits are displayed as a dingle line
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davidar >
Erik/Matthew: ^
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erikj >
hum, yeah, that was quite spammy
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not sure if there's anything we can do to make e.g. irssi display on one line
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ansuz >
also irc clients usually don't persist such that a channel contains everyone who ever joined whether or not they're online
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cjd >
well... there is always
*something* you can do xD
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davidar >
cjd: do you know how irssi detects whether or not a mountain of join/splits is due to a netsplit or not?
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erikj >
i believe we're looking at making the things join a lot quicker (by migrating to using ipv6) so as to at least make it contain the spam it one point in time
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cjd >
irc server sends a NETSPLIT message instead of a quit message
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erikj >
there was also a discussion of trying to split the IRC connection handling into a separate process from the bridge logic, so to reduce the number of times it needs to get restarted, but no idea where that is on the radar
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davidar >
ugh, so many things would be easier if irc networks still had open federation...
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ansuz >
matrix supports ipv6 now?
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ansuz >
it might be usable for me
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erikj >
well, ipv6 from from bridge to IRC
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erikj >
Yeah, its really annoying that twisted doesn't do IPv6 :(
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ansuz >
I guess I'll keep up irc
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davidar >
erikj (IRC): does client-server not support ipv6 either?
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erikj >
you could easily stick a LB in front of synapse
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ansuz >
that's my main barrier, I need software to support IP
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erikj >
its just generally when people want IPv6 its so that federation works
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davidar >
ansuz: which did you mean?
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erikj >
but anyway, if people have any ideas as to how to make the IRC spam less painful than do just shout
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ansuz >
davidar: there's an ietf document somewhere that says the current definition of ip is ipv6
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cjd >
don't re-join people until they talk in matrix land
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cjd >
it's like an if statement
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ansuz >
software that doesn't support ipv6 doesn't support internetworking protocol
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davidar >
ansuz: I think that would apply to a large chunk of the internet then ;)
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erikj >
cjd: I'm assuming thats easy, so long as thats what people want in here
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erikj >
but generally the feedback is that people want it to be mirrored
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cjd >
well it pumps up the number of people in the channel, that's certainly true
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ansuz >
davidar: indeed
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ansuz >
talk to the ietf if you disagree, I guess
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erikj >
its also that people in IRC often like to know who they're talking to, but that's less relevant for channels like this that have public logs
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cjd >
well.. matrix keeps a backlog so you're talking to "everyone who will ever join"
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ansuz >
so they'll have a record of my interest in ipv6
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erikj >
If its configured that way, by default the bridge doesn't share history with newly joined users
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yoshuawuyts >
nicolagreco: hey, just awake - what's up?
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haad: are you planing for ipfs-log to be using ipld at some point?
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oed: I believe haad will move it to IPLD as soon as IPLD lands in go-ipfs //cc whyrusleeping
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daviddias: cool, Is there a timeline for that?
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daviddias >
and should start implementing later this month
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daviddias >
will we have CI that checks if the commit follows the rules?
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dignifiedquire >
I plan to yes
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dignifiedquire >
haven't figured out the best way to do it yet though
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"The versioned, forkable, syncable database"
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Would love to be able to nail the schedule today instead of Monday morning. :P
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richardlitt >
Same to anyone else who wants to attend the sync/sprint on Monday. ^___^
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daviddias >
on it! :)
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dignifiedquire >
richardlitt: what should I do if I agree with everything?
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richardlitt >
Thumbs up. Post a message saying "Let's try it."
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richardlitt >
Also, look for dragons in the east. Clearly, the apocalypse is nigh.
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richardlitt >
I think nigh is a word only used collocated with the word apocalypse.
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dignifiedquire >
well the work so well together you don't want them to be seperated
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dignifiedquire >
*they
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richardlitt >
What God has put together, let no man tear apart.
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richardlitt >
Including the words "Apocalypse" and "Coming Soon"
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dignifiedquire >
something like that :)
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ipfsbot >
go-ipfs/feat/hamt-sharding f9ff1d6 Jeromy: implement an HAMT for unixfs directory sharding...
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ipfsbot >
go-ipfs/feat/hamt-sharding c3c6012 Jeromy: integrate the HAMT into the dirbuilder...
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ipfsbot >
go-ipfs/feat/hamt-sharding e28a2f8 Jeromy: integrate the HAMT into mfs...
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #3042: Implement unixfs sharding (master...feat/hamt-sharding)
https://git.io/v6Y3p
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richardlitt >
daviddias: "Important to remind everyone so that no one..."
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richardlitt >
"Important to remember everyone" is ungrammatical.
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daviddias >
got it. Thank you :)
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daviddias >
ah, you changed it?
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daviddias >
perfect
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richardlitt >
Well, I changed remember to remind
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richardlitt >
How also doens't make sense
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JesseW >
(I'm going to be away for a week, please don't be alarmed if I don't respond. I may wander into the chat room, but under a slightly different nick.)
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JesseW: will you use the nick JesseV ;)
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dignifiedquire >
richardlitt: they are not labeled as such
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dignifiedquire >
so I didn't know they were ready
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JesseW >
dignifiedquire: probably JesseW_elsewhere, or something like that. JesseV would mean there were at least 4 others of me... :-P
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dignifiedquire: they were labelled 'needs review'?
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Not sure what other labels you needed?
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* dignifiedquire
confused I checked 10min ago and there were no labels
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richardlitt >
That's not right.
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dignifiedquire >
will review sorry :(
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richardlitt >
No worries!
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dignifiedquire >
:D I think I know I looked at issues instead of PRs
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thanks dignifiedquire
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richardlitt >
JesseW: thanks for your help recently
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richardlitt >
Super awesome work
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daviddias: whyrusleeping in multistream should messages sent over the connection be length-prefixed after negotiation is finished or should they be sent untouched?
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daviddias >
richardlitt: getting the tests ready from APIARY will help maintain a lot those specs
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daviddias >
it will review itself
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daviddias >
dignifiedquire: after negotiation happens
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daviddias >
it is like multistream diddn't even exist
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dignifiedquire >
ok thx
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richardlitt >
daviddias: I still need help with that.
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richardlitt >
I know. You know. I know you know. You know I know you know. We're a knowledgeable family.
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what is the status on utp? It seems really hard to see what is happening in the IPFS project.
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dignifiedquire: can we override the callbacks lint rules for tests in interface-ipfs-core?
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daviddias >
we get by default 2 or 3 levels just with the describes
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daviddias >
richardlitt: <3
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dignifiedquire >
then write better tests :P
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daviddias >
better tests?
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dignifiedquire >
less callback hell :P
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dignifiedquire >
fair enough
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dignifiedquire >
you can overwrite it with a /* */ at the top
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richardlitt >
Hell is other people's callbacks
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dignifiedquire >
daviddias: /*eslint max-nested-callbacks: ["error", 8]*/
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richardlitt: ^^
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whyrusleeping >
!pin QmfJHywXQu98UeZtGJBQrPAR6AtmDjjbe3qjTo9piXHPnx murmur3 gx package
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pinbot >
now pinning /ipfs/QmfJHywXQu98UeZtGJBQrPAR6AtmDjjbe3qjTo9piXHPnx
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js-ipfs/master cdca25f David Dias: Merge pull request #400 from ipfs/greenkeeper-ipfs-merkle-dag-0.6.2...
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ipfsbot >
js-ipfs/greenkeeper-aegir-6.0.0 f997256 greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update aegir to version 6.0.0...
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if we only want to have onion address and port number in the onion multiaddr we could assume all the onion address private keys be kept in a particular local directory named by onion addr
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dawuud >
further we could assume that the ipfs user has correctly specified the tor control port which will allow us to derive a socks port for dialing and add onion services for listening
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this is just a test - never mind me
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ion >
MIND HIM, EVERYONE
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go-ipfs/feat/hamt-sharding 74a6117 Jeromy: integrate the HAMT into mfs...
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and knew it, I think I told you that when I told you to go with separate RAID for the servers
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lgierth >
i'm open for trying zfs again if someone's there to hold my hand, or if someone else takes care of it altogether
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lgierth >
aah right
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lgierth >
we're not actually using btrfs raid
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cjd >
oh fuck btrfs
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Kubuxu >
we are using md raid
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lgierth >
yeah word
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lgierth >
forget what i'm saying
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cjd >
I don't think that's really being used in prod anywhere
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cjd >
also sorry language, didn't remember this is a public chan
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cjd: in comparison with other tech btrfs is really young]
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daviddias: made some good progress today, lots of tcp is 90% done and I have a working multistream prototype
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dignifiedquire >
daviddias: the tcp is even a raw binding without using any of regular node-streams, but not a 100% sure we will use it as it might increase the bug surface
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dignifiedquire >
daviddias: also domenictarr is just awesome :)
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daviddias >
those are awesome news
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daviddias >
agreed :D
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dignifiedquire >
but that's not news :P
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go-ipfs/feat/hamt-sharding 259aeb4 Jeromy: integrate the HAMT into mfs...
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ohai cjd, I didnt know you were here :)
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I joined a few days ago
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fyi tor is a stream transport and trying to conceive this with tcp on top ust isn't accurate
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dawuud >
/onion/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:port/ makes sense. /onion/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/tcp/port does not make sense.
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dawuud >
the onion service port is not a tcp port
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demize >
If it's not TCP, what is it?
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dawuud >
it's a tor circuit
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demize >
And does tor not use TCP?
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dawuud >
why would that matter in the composition of an onion multiaddr?
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demize >
Could it be something other than TCP?
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dawuud >
but that's a different discussion
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demize >
Then it most definitely is important to have in there.
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demize >
If it could be something other than TCP it would make the multiaddr ambiguous.
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dawuud >
you misunderstand the nature of transports based on distributed systems if you say this
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dawuud >
you only need to know an onion address and port number to make a connection to an onion service
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dawuud >
this participation in the tor network assumes you have a tor daemon running on your machine and you expose the tor control port or socks port...
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dawuud >
the tor daemon takes care of all the transport details
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demize >
Then it should be something like /onion/addrdess/{tor,onion}{,/}port
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dawuud >
what we are concerned here with multiaddr is the unique bits of info necessary for the addressing of a particular onion service
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dawuud >
therefore logically speaking TCP is not involved at all
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dawuud >
yeah we could have a multiaddr layer called onionport or something
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demize >
Anyway, you should comment on the PR to raise your objections.
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dawuud >
but having it add the same layer makes sense since both peices of addressing info are logically at the same transportation level UNLIKE a ip address and TCP port which are located at different layers of the network stack
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dawuud >
i did comment in the PR
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demize >
Ah, I only looked at the in-line comments.
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jbenet whyrusleeping nicolagreco mikolalysenko dignifiedquire haad lgierth I wrote down the pubsub notes from our IPFS workshop discussions
https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/154 please review, comment and add anything that I might have missed :)
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richardlitt: if you can do one of those amazing proofreads, it would be
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richardlitt >
of #15?
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richardlitt >
of #154?
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yep, that one
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noffle around ? :)
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daviddias: o/
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yeah, there was a bug in js-ipfs-unixfs-engine that was returning a buffer for the dagnode hash if one was given
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noffle >
that's fixed in unixfs-engine now
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noffle >
so js-ipfs and js-ipfs-api need to make sure they're using that
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which means I made an error in the interface-core test
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noffle >
it should always be comparing bs58-string to bs58-string in the result
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busy atm but I'll make the fix in a bit :)
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awesome, thank you :)
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daviddias: how should I review?
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Just edit inline?
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daviddias >
richardlitt: in a gist would be great
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hey dignifiedquire have you had a moment to look at js-ipfs-api browser bug?
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so there are a bunch of separate orgnaizations now?
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Sonarpulse >
that's a good thing
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also IPLD is confusing me
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Sonarpulse >
it says "thin waiste"
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Sonarpulse >
yet all this JSON stuff
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it's much more complex than the original hash rose tree which was ipfs's thin waist when I last checked
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Sonarpulse >
anybody here? this channel is normally very busy
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Sonarpulse: hi there. folks are around, not maybe not looking at the channel at the moment :)
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Sonarpulse >
well, it is Friday
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Sonarpulse: not sure what a "hash rose tree" is; don't see any reference to that anywhere
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noffle >
you mean the protobuf-based dag structure?
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Sonarpulse >
perhaps
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Sonarpulse >
rose tree is my language
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Sonarpulse >
it used to be some links and a binary blob
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Sonarpulse >
and now it isn't?
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Sonarpulse >
Node = List<Hash<Node>>, BinaryBlob <--- what I always wanted
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Sonarpulse >
I see......fat waste
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Sonarpulse >
*waist
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Sonarpulse >
anyways, has this landed?
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Sonarpulse >
or is this upcomming?
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noffle >
in progress
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Sonarpulse: it may be worth doing some reading and research in depth before making broad decisions about the quality or intentions of someone's work
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well in progress that's good
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Sonarpulse >
noffle: I have done reading and research and followed this for a while
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but sure facts before opinions
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Sonarpulse >
does this vs the protobuf one have anything to do with the 0.4 release?
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richardlitt: "the end is nigh", "nigh-impossible", "nigh-omnipotent" :-)
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but yeah, pretty much only those
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deltab >
huh, one dictionary gives as an example "<I drew nigh and planted the kitten on the table … — Richard Peck, A Long Way from Chicago>"
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