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<ckwaldon> What's the best way to troubleshoot peer bootstrapping failure in IPFS? I've run the daemon many times on this computer with no problems, but I started it up today and it can't find any peers. I even tried manually connecting to a bootstrap peer with no success. Anyone have advice on how to proceed?
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<JesseW> This seems like it might be a nice site to make available through IPFS
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: awake yet?
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: you have summed me
<daviddias> wait, what? :D
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: I have fixed our problems :)
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<daviddias> woot! :D
<daviddias> <3
<daviddias> that is awesome news!
<daviddias> so, the solution is forcing it to be resume if it is on pause
<daviddias> won't that make it drop packets ?
<dignifiedquire> no, because ._read is only called when the underlying socket is ready again
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<dignifiedquire> a write stream that is piped, will call .read() on the read stream when it's ready to receive more packets
<daviddias> got it
<daviddias> it is the framer that is paused
<dignifiedquire> yes
<dignifiedquire> and it never resumes itself currently
<dignifiedquire> and it was not discovered before, because stream-pair never exerts backpressure
<daviddias> 🎉🎉
<daviddias> Which also means that no one has been putting a ton of data through spdy-transport and node-spdy
<dignifiedquire> well I'm not a 100% certain that the tcp/http methods actually do proper backpressure, I went into the code but couldn't find any reference of them actually doing it
<dignifiedquire> i.e. returning false on .write
<dignifiedquire> so even if we have been putting massive amounts of data through, if the sockets don't return false on write nothing is slowed down
<dignifiedquire> I guess I should open a PR on spdy-transport for this?
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: absolutely
<dignifiedquire> hopefully I haven't missed anything, but as far as I can tell this is the best option to fix it
<daviddias> tcp http should do backpressure, that was one of the excitements all along
<daviddias> yeah, please submit the PR
<daviddias> and lets use the fork meanwhile
<daviddias> what about OOM?
<daviddias> do we still have to trottle stress tests (and mega stress?)
<dignifiedquire> no throttle needed for the stress tests anymore
<dignifiedquire> mega stress I still need to confirm
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: mega-stress still runs out of memory :(
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<ckwaldon> What's the best way to troubleshoot peer bootstrapping failure in IPFS? I've run the daemon many times on this computer with no problems, but I started it up today and it can't find any peers. I even tried manually connecting to a bootstrap peer with no success. Anyone have advice on how to proceed?
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: I guess that means we just need to throttle
<daviddias> or, have mechanisms to throttle in libp2p itself
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<dignifiedquire> we will run in js-ipfs out of memory much earlier
<dignifiedquire> if we have 10000 streams
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<daviddias> why would you say that 10000 is the max?
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<dignifiedquire> it is not, that's just the number the test tries to do
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<daviddias> this week, will be the week of the pull-merge :)
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<dignifiedquire> I so hope so
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: arrrgh -.-
<daviddias> ?
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<dignifiedquire> spdy is doing the right thing, I forgot to emit the 'drain' event in the test
<dignifiedquire> that means the issue is somewhere else
<daviddias> oh :(
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<dignifiedquire> probably in pull-stream-to-stream
<dignifiedquire> :'(
<dignifiedquire> I thought it was finally done
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<daviddias> so, could it be that pull-stream-to-stream is not emitting the drain event when it should?
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<dignifiedquire> or doing sth else wrong
<dignifiedquire> yeah
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* daviddias welcomes everyone to add agenda items for today's calls on js-ipfs and libp2p - https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/156#issuecomment-243113842
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: found a fix in pull-stream-to-stream :)
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<richardlitt> !pinbot /ipfs/QmcG6FJrhDPeK8GKMrDFNrczGoAe37kYZkBb5qaNbFnmYD/_site/ multiformats.io
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmcG6FJrhDPeK8GKMrDFNrczGoAe37kYZkBb5qaNbFnmYD/_site/
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: woot! :D
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<daviddias> it was the drain after all?
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<daviddias> nice :D
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<dignifiedquire> yep
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<daviddias> really awesome job dignifiedquire 👏
<dignifiedquire> thanks :)
<dignifiedquire> I'm so happy I can start doing sth else than debugging all day long
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<victorbjelkholm> just to make sure my calendar is looking correct, the "all hands call" is in ten minutes right?
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<victorbjelkholm> richardlitt^
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<daviddias> victorbjelkholm: it is indeed :D
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<victorbjelkholm> perfect! Thanks daviddias
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<richardlitt> Yes!
<richardlitt> It is.
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<richardlitt> I need to remove and edit the other meetings, though
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<richardlitt> Doing that now
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<richardlitt> sorry for the delay victorbjelkholm
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<victorbjelkholm> oh, the other meetings in the ipfs-community calendar are not correct?
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<victorbjelkholm> no worries about the delay, david is so fast anyways! :p
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<dignifiedquire> victorbjelkholm: this is the correct schedule: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/156
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<victorbjelkholm> ah, thanks dignifiedquire, that seems to not match with the ipfs-community calendar indeed
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<victorbjelkholm> well, as long as I'm in time for the all hands call, it seems the rest is after that so...
<dignifiedquire> yeah the community calendar is outdated currently sorr about that
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<victorbjelkholm> yeah, not the end of the world though :)
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: always assume spdy-transport does the right thing :D
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<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: All Hands Meeting =========================
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/156
<richardlitt> Topic: All Hands Meeting
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<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/8cSk9bvAPJI
<richardlitt> =============================================================================
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<flyingzumwalt> did I miss the hangouts link again?
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: ahaha indeed :)
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<gamemanj> Well, the population seems to be growing quickly.
<whyrusleeping1> yeahh
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<richardlitt> Thanks whyrusleeping1
* gamemanj points at the gateway/shell/matrix.org users
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<whyrusleeping1> hrm...
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<gamemanj> Can this be called an invasion at this point?
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<gamemanj> ... actually, it seems closer to a stampede.
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<em-ly> Victor \o/ great to see you again
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<victorbjelkholm> em-ly, same here! :)
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<victorbjelkholm> I'm back! In black!
<victorbjelkholm> well, grey...
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<Kubuxu> gamemanj, I think I know your nick from somewhere.
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<gamemanj> Kubuxu: No, no you don't!
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<gamemanj> You don't know my nick from anywhere. At all. Really.
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<richardlitt> arkadiy[m]: are you around?
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<dignifiedquire> my hhangout froze
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<M-flyingzumwalt> Wait. Was I supposed to close the hangout? Where is the orbit call happening?
<richardlitt> whyrusleeping: Your call is in an hour
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<whyrusleeping> okay, that should work
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<richardlitt> I don't think the Orbit call is being streamed through the page
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<richardlitt> So, you can do that on Zoom?
<victorbjelkholm> so the calendar is supposed to be updated now? Seems to be missing orbit call
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<victorbjelkholm> oh, orbit is outside the normal calls, sorry
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: if you need to get your flight, how about doing go-ipfs at 10:00 PDT
<richardlitt> No worries. I think it's just a short discussion.
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<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: that works too
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<haad> where's the orbit/identity call? I need 2mins.
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<richardlitt> You know, I'll just set one up.
<richardlitt> It's easier.
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: lgierth Kubuxu does that work for you? (go-ipfs call at 10PDT instead of 10:30)
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<dignifiedquire> that way whyrusleeping doesn't have too rush so badly
<lgierth> what's pdt
<lgierth> is that utc-7
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<dignifiedquire> it's in 30min
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<Kubuxu> It is ok with me.
<richardlitt> One second.
<lgierth> ok for me
<dignifiedquire> 17:00 UTC
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<jbenet> use UTC/Z please, so we standardize on it
<jbenet> thanks
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<jbenet> yeah wfm.
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<dignifiedquire> okay good, updating the schedule once more
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<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: Orbit Meeting =========================
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/156
<richardlitt> Topic: Orbit Meeting
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/XYiZE8zk1Rc
<richardlitt> =============================================================================
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<dignifiedquire> jbenet whyrusleeping: regarding scheduling: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/157
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<em-ly> Where do the notes for that call belong?
<em-ly> that's where the notes currently are, but where should they be put post call? :)
<richardlitt> github.com/ipfs/pm
<richardlitt> Make a PR witht he markdown to meeting_notes/
<richardlitt> Next call is in 15 minutes, for go-ipfs
<richardlitt> Leaders: whyrusleeping and Kubuxu
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<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: go-ipfs Meeting =========================
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/156
<richardlitt> Topic: go-ipfs Meeting
<richardlitt> =============================================================================
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/zjqjzAbo0-g
<daviddias> whyrusleeping: come on in :)
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<hrishi> hi
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<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: js-ipfs Meeting =========================
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/156
<richardlitt> Topic: js-ipfs Meeting
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/Tw8N8vdhMAw
<richardlitt> =============================================================================
<richardlitt> hi hrishi
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<Kubuxu> Watching the stream.
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<richardlitt> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: libp2p Meeting =========================
<richardlitt> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/156
<richardlitt> Topic: libp2p Meeting
<richardlitt> Stream: http://youtu.be/GMQHFYtMhX8
<richardlitt> =============================================================================
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<victorbjelkholm> daviddias, dignifiedquire there is an issue about the size of the js-ipfs?
<daviddias> victorbjelkholm yep, two :)
<daviddias> let me get them
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<victorbjelkholm> daviddias, sweetness!
<victorbjelkholm> daviddias, thanks!
<dignifiedquire> victorbjelkholm: have fun :D
<dignifiedquire> see you next year ;)
<victorbjelkholm> down the rabbithole we go
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<dignifiedquire> hangouts + chrome are destroying my computer tody :(
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<Magik6k> whyrusleeping, can you take a quick at https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3128 again? I'm also thinking of making sharness test, but I'm not sure how to go about using netcat or something for that.
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<lgierth> !pin QmUGFiBSC2YhYv4nn48jkVLfP2q9oHGcZeKxAM19TRrYGJ ipfs-pages-start
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmUGFiBSC2YhYv4nn48jkVLfP2q9oHGcZeKxAM19TRrYGJ
<Remram[m]> Is it possible to build a BitTorrent-sync like app on top of IPFS/libp2p?
<Remram[m]> something that syncs a folder between multiple users?
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<lgierth> what a quiet evening?
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<WinterFox[m]> Remram: sure. Why not
<Remram[m]> Well IPNS definitely doesn't support more than one person publishing objects and I still don't know what I can do with the lower layers
<Remram[m]> documentation is very much lacking. I assume I can have clients discover each other via the DHT and then open a channel to communicate directly, but I'm guessing
<ekleog> "documentation is very much lacking" <- this. just this.
<Remram[m]> If it does that then everything I awesome
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<Skaag> quick question: how does ipfs deal with someone storing extremely offensive or outright illegal contents on a page?
<Skaag> (I don't have specific examples, but just imagine the worst image or movie possible)
<Skaag> according to this FAQ issue, once someone gets a file/block from you, it can never be deleted: https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/156
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<ekleog> Skaag: you cannot be sure it will be deleted, but only people who "seed" it will keep it alive ;)
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<Skaag> I think any blockchain based tech would have the very same issue
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<ekleog> ipfs is not blockchain-based
<ekleog> (thanksfully)
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<Skaag> that's good news for ipfs
<Skaag> imagine someone rapes and murders a child, takes a video of it, and puts it on the blockchain
<Skaag> people are crazy, someone will one day upload something crazy to the blockchain and there will be a massive scandal
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<Skaag> hopefully it never happens
<ekleog> well, as much as people will upload something crazy over http
<Skaag> but Americans did use an atomic bomb on Japan...
<Skaag> and the holocaust did happen
<ekleog> it's neither better nor worse
<Skaag> so never say never... :-\
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<deltab> it'd cost a lot to put a big file directly into bitcoin's blockchain, and there's no standard way to do it