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<ShawkHawk[m]>
hello everyone, i would like to contribute some storage space to IPFS. what's the best way to go about it? Ideally I'd like to run an ipfs node that pins everything it can until it's full and then starts to prune old things
<ShawkHawk[m]>
what is the most useful style of contribution to this effort?
<ShawkHawk[m]>
is it better to have one large node or many small nodes? is it better to attach it to DNS so it can be served through the legacy internet also or better to skip that?
<njm14823[m]>
I would like to start to build a directory of IPFS content. Does anyone have any hashes that they would like to share?
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<jakobvarmose>
Unfortunately a lot of them are dead links
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<TheGillies>
which is a bit ironic
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<jakobvarmose>
TheGillies, Yes. IPFS is a really great technology, but it needs to become more robust, so it actually becomes "The permanent web"
<JesseW>
yeah, they're focusing on lower levels of the implementation so far
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: I am trying to discover why you abandoned the idea of storing indirect pins in the datastore
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<kevina>
and it is not making much sense to me.
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<kevina>
#1225: store pins in IPFS objects, how can that even work, pinning is a local thing, and any change to an ipfs object will change the hash. Very confused.
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<JesseW>
linknames are similar to *nicknames* (using the vocabulary of the petname essay) but not petnames, since they aren't private (and therefore lack any security properties)
<JesseW>
ah, but maybe what jbenet meant was that petnames could be *implemented* via an unixfs file object...
<JesseW>
which I think probably is true, although it would still need support in the UI to display them, and a way to update
<JesseW>
and how fast is it to lookup an arbitrary multihash to see what, if any, linkname it has in a unixfs file object?
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<physes>
I am building an Ethereum-powered dns system for ipfs. Top-level-domains will be represented as "clusters" in the system with a binary tree database of urls (mapping ethereum address => url => ipfs hash). Hoping to use ipns for routing (express style), but use ethereum for the primary dns system since it will then be possible to trade and pass ownership of domains. I'm planning to launch the prototype on the Morden testnet next week
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<physes>
Domains will take the form of "ipfs://www.domain.com" with the ability to create custom prefixes also.
<physes>
In addition along with the namespace working on an ipfs-configured browser project which will be able to switch between the http and ipfs ox
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<physes>
thanks whyrusleeping. Was never a fan of the /ipns/ syntax as it looks lopsided. ipfs:// is crisp and also users will expect that format. I think the best use for ipns is for routing through the inner file hierarchy of a website but use a seperate namespace to point to the hash itself, that way there is more flexibility (you can point the url to different hashes and pass ownership- both essential features of a dns system)
<whyrusleeping>
physes: we're definitely not going away from /ipns/... syntax, thats the canonical identifier
<physes>
thanks- I wasn't suggesting ipns change the canonical syntax. I do understand the reasons it and the goal of harmonizing the web with unix. For nebulis, using ipfs:// is technically correct according to RFC specs because the contracts are a hierarchical tree. But I'm open to having multiple optiions for the scheme name including harmonizing with /ipfs/ if this is the consensus.
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<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] diasdavid closed pull request #423: Update interface-ipfs-core to version 0.12.0
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<balboah>
jakobvarmose: thanks. Same thing today though after re-publish. ipfs.io can find it but not my 2nd ipfs daemon. oh well
<balboah>
maybe it doesn’t work if both are nat'ed?
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<jakobvarmose>
balboah, That might be the case. I don't know how well IPFS handles NATs
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<dignifiedquire>
good morning
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: how are things looking?
<daviddias>
morning :)
<daviddias>
which of the things? :)
<dignifiedquire>
all the things :D
<dignifiedquire>
I am starting my day off with bitswap :)
<dignifiedquire>
how are your interface stories coming along?
<dignifiedquire>
need some more review from me?
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<daviddias>
Have you fully reviewed the js-ipfs-api PR?
<dignifiedquire>
hmm let me check
<dignifiedquire>
what about ci there?
<daviddias>
CI seems to just give up on browser tests
<daviddias>
which is really annoying because it is not a library thing
<daviddias>
these tests do run well on my machine
<dignifiedquire>
I bet you it's the memory issues
<daviddias>
probably CI doesn't have 4GB of ram available
<dignifiedquire>
this stuff runs in memory limited containers
<daviddias>
which makes our need for a new CI infra even more desired
<daviddias>
(or just fix the thing in WebPack)
<dignifiedquire>
setting up ci is probably quicker :D
<daviddias>
I'm divided on getting CI green and moving forward with the project
<daviddias>
more inclined to move the project forward
<daviddias>
I might add a note to the README before merge that we need why the badge is red
<daviddias>
so that folks feel confortable using the library
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<dignifiedquire>
you could also disable browser tests on ci for now
<daviddias>
or that
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: review all the code? ;)
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<daviddias>
one by one :)
<dignifiedquire>
I see you have mastered the art of pulling :P
<daviddias>
I really like how the abstractions are done
<daviddias>
thank you for putting all this work upfront
<dignifiedquire>
:) happy to hear that
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<dignifiedquire>
I'm still confused about dial/listen/dialer/listener :D
<daviddias>
it is just a bikeshed to avoid confusion in the future
<daviddias>
and it is more intuitive to say that something 'is for the dialer', than it is actually 'dialing' when it comes to things that happen on top of an already 'dialed' conn
<dignifiedquire>
right, but then calling it "dialer" is not much more helpful I feel
<daviddias>
ok, any other name suggestion?
<dignifiedquire>
thinking
<dignifiedquire>
<dignifiedquire>
there is another thought I had here, independent of the name, why can't we make identify symmetric?
<dignifiedquire>
is there any benefit of it being asymmetric?
<dignifiedquire>
okay so we have to keep it the way it currently is to make sure it interops, but in general we want to move things like identify to be symmetric?
<dignifiedquire>
what does go call these things? dialer and listener as well?
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: ^^
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire go-libp2p isn't as modular yet
<daviddias>
Things are not that decoupled
<daviddias>
You might find similar names for the same patterns
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: great so all the name bike shed is on us
<haad>
daviddias dignifiedquire: do you remember what was the reason for getting, in node<DAGNode>.toJSON().Data, a 'ï¿ 1/2 ' as the first and last character? between first and last there's a valid json string
<daviddias>
is that a dagNode of a unixfs file?
<haad>
can it be due to an older version of ipfs.object.put?
<daviddias>
unixfs serializes a protobufs
<daviddias>
into the data field
<haad>
not sure what you if that dag node is of unixfs, it's a DAGNode afaik
<haad>
+mean
<daviddias>
well, where did you get that DAGNode then?
<haad>
no, what I'm saying is: I'm fetching an object from ipfs with ipfs.object.get, the result DAGNode's toJSON().Data contains those symbols in the string whereas I would expect them to not be there. this has something to do with encoding I'm sure. what I'm not sure about is where that encoding mismatch happens: it might be that the ipfs version that .put() the object there is a very old version of the API, or it might not, so I'm wondering if that can be the case h
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<daviddias>
Understood
<daviddias>
it helps to solve the issue
<daviddias>
to know where did you get the hash
<daviddias>
you are requesting it from
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<haad>
I'm getting it from an ipfs node that is not in my control
<haad>
and that node put the object there in the first place
<haad>
(uPort)
<daviddias>
ah
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<daviddias>
I bet that they added it through ipfs add file.json
<haad>
and their client libs use ipfs-api 2.3.x (latest 6.0.3) so if we changed something re. the encoding, it might be a problem on their side
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: yes, things like pull.values and pull.take end the stream after all values were emitted
<dignifiedquire>
that's why there is no explicit conn.close/end/destroy
<haad>
daviddias: next question :)
<haad>
why does the stream from .cat() doesn't close (ie. emit 'end')?
<haad>
nor 'close'
<haad>
I do get 'data' event, it's all in one chunk
<daviddias>
haad: that sounds like a error to me
<daviddias>
should be .end though
<daviddias>
close is for sockets
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: interesting, thank you for clarifying that
<haad>
daviddias: I've seen this happen before but can't remember what I did to fix it, iirc had nothing to do with the code, perhaps some module version mismatch or smth
<daviddias>
or: a) go-ipfs never closes the request for an ipfs.cat (which I'm confident it is not the case, unless some edge case), b) js-ipfs/-api is forgetting to send that .push(null) for the end to be emitted
<haad>
daviddias: hmmm
<daviddias>
btw, are you using js-ipfs-api or js-ipfs?
<haad>
js-ipfs-api
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<daviddias>
yeah, probably a bug in js-ipfs-api then
<daviddias>
which version ?
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<haad>
6.0.3
<haad>
there's a dangling ipfs-api v2.3.2 there
<daviddias>
upgrade that old ipfs-api
<daviddias>
surprised it even works
<daviddias>
because of the ndjson stuff
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: we should have a call today if possible about the halfOpen things
<dignifiedquire>
need to figure this out before I can finialize spdy, websockets and swarm
<daviddias>
you can finalize spdy and swarm, as WebSockets is just a transport that doesn't offer the halfOpen
<daviddias>
but yeah, we can chat
<daviddias>
As you see in the issue, I'm in favour to have an extention
<daviddias>
I believe jbenet and whyrusleeping will like to share their opinion first though
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<daviddias>
note that this could be an App Level Concern too, we just prefer to have clean abstractions from the network level
<daviddias>
(let's wait for them to be online)
<dignifiedquire>
sure
<dignifiedquire>
I feel it should be part of libp2p, as otherwise you have to think about what transport you use as tcp has this option
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<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] diasdavid pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/v66Sm
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: yeahhh it should be
<dignifiedquire>
but other thab that, is the idea right that we need to close both manually?
<daviddias>
yeah
<dignifiedquire>
:)
<daviddias>
that is closing a normal connection
<mikeal>
jbenet: i remember you mentioning that ipfs does verification without talking to an authority and it was based on something in some paper, what paper was that?
<daviddias>
then you can close the muxer as well
<dignifiedquire>
I understood it *happy*
<daviddias>
mikeal: that sounds like IPNS
<daviddias>
which is inspired from the SFS paper
<dignifiedquire>
is the .end method part of the interface?
<voxelot>
daviddias: i'm revisiting js-ipfs block commands, getting the nice list of errors I got when i left off :D do you mind if push to feat/generic-spec-compliant branch?
<voxelot>
okay, didn't know you were going http-api with generic branch, i'll open seperate branchs
<daviddias>
wanna help on those?
<voxelot>
yes of course :)
<daviddias>
thank you :D
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs-api] diasdavid deleted ipfs-api/ng at c0e66cb: https://git.io/v6iBN
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[js-ipfs-api] diasdavid pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6i0r
<ipfsbot>
js-ipfs-api/master 9128f4a David Dias: chore: release version v7.0.0
<ipfsbot>
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/test-cover-blockstore at 4ed8c3e: https://git.io/v6igq
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<jakobvarmose>
pfrazee, Looks pretty nice. But I can't open any ipfs links
<pfrazee>
jakobvarmose: do you have a daemon running already?
<jakobvarmose>
pfrazee, I've tried both with and without an ipfs daemon running
<pfrazee>
jakobvarmose: what version of ipfs are you running? I've seen issues caused by a preinstall at a different version. I might need to isolate beaker's .ipfs folder from the default
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<jakobvarmose>
pfrazee, version 0.4.2. Should I try deleting the .ipfs folder or with another version?
<pfrazee>
jakobvarmose: yeah try deleting it, if you dont need it. The ipfs version in npm right now is 0.4.1
<jakobvarmose>
pfrazee, Should I then run version 0.4.1 alongside with beaker or should I run beaker without a daemon active?
<pfrazee>
jakobvarmose: without a daemon active. Beaker will start one itself
<jakobvarmose>
pfrazee, Unfortunately that doesn't work either. And no ~/.ipfs directory is created
<pfrazee>
jakobvarmose: just to confirm, you restarted beaker after closing the ipfs daemon and removing ~/.ipfs, right?
<jakobvarmose>
yes
<pfrazee>
hmm. Well that's not good. You're using the prebuild, or did you build from source?
<jakobvarmose>
I built from source (on debian)
<pfrazee>
does the CLI say anything about the IPFS daemon trying to start, or successfully starting?
<voxelot>
try opening the chrome debug and look for the go-ipfs responses? beaker is electron right?
<pfrazee>
it is, but the ipfs stuff runs in the background process
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<Mateon1>
Sometimes I wish there was a recursive 'remove' command for IPFS objects. For example, I just transferred 1 gig of data between my laptop and my PC, but now I don't need it stored on either, it won't be shared with anybody else, and so on.
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<dignifiedquire>
Mateon1: wouldn't pin rm <root> followed by a gc drop them?
<dignifiedquire>
pin rm is recursive by default
<Mateon1>
Well, I have a lot of other data that I couldn't pin due to either a bug or just weirdness.
<Mateon1>
I've tried pinning a few images on ipfs.pics, but the pin button doesn't ever indicate it's actually pinned.
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<Mateon1>
(In IPFS Station for Chrome)
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping closed pull request #2554: Close errnotifier chan on err (master...w/fix/logwriter-stall) https://git.io/vVABY
<dignifiedquire>
you can check if things are pinnend if you know the hash using the clie
<dignifiedquire>
ipfs pin ls | grep <hash>
<Mateon1>
Okay, let's try that on a few random pictures
<Mateon1>
Gah, I can't actually use grep due to dynamic library issues
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<Mateon1>
Welp, I can't list the pins, for some reason
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feature/update-authors from 36cbe9e to c43e942: https://git.io/vogiq
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go-ipfs/feature/update-authors c43e942 Richard Littauer: Updated authors doc...
<Mateon1>
`ipfs pin ls` is taking forever
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<dignifiedquire>
ah right that's because there are lot of them probably
<dignifiedquire>
try "ipfs pin ls --type=direct"
<Mateon1>
dignifiedquire: That's no results, even without the grep (or my awk substitute)
<Mateon1>
--type=recursive works
<Mateon1>
I have a lot of indirect pins, it seems
<Mateon1>
And no direct ones
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: can you enlighten us about the types of pins, if I ipfs add a file it has pin type recursive instead of direct
<whyrusleeping>
yep
<whyrusleeping>
whats your question?
<dignifiedquire>
why is it not direct?
<dignifiedquire>
even if I do ipfs pin add <hash> it is shown as recursive
<whyrusleeping>
try 'ipfs add <something rather large>'
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<dignifiedquire>
still recursive
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<whyrusleeping>
correct
<whyrusleeping>
there are two types of pins, direct and recursive (and indirect, which is a side effect of recursive)
<whyrusleeping>
direct says "keep this block around"
<whyrusleeping>
recursive says "keep this graph around"
<dignifiedquire>
so recursive means "I have things below me (which are indirect)"?
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<dignifiedquire>
ahh okay
<dignifiedquire>
Mateon1: you need to filter for --type=recursive :)
<dignifiedquire>
thank you whyrusleeping :)
<Mateon1>
I've already done that.
<Mateon1>
whyrusleeping: Since you're here: I started my daemon, so the logs for the gx issue should be available
<Mateon1>
I've also cached it on the public gateway
<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: sweet, thanks :)
<jakobvarmose>
Blocks are typically at most 262158 bytes. But is this the theoretical maximum size?
<whyrusleeping>
jakobvarmose: the network will drop any message over 4MB
<whyrusleeping>
you can make a block up to 4MB - overhead
<whyrusleeping>
we don't recommend it though, because larger blocks like that generally increase memory pressure all over
<whyrusleeping>
as well as not chunking as nicely for dedupe
<jakobvarmose>
whyrusleeping, Yeah, that makes sense. Can you point me to where this limit is checked in the code?
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<whyrusleeping>
search in libp2p for MessageSizeMax, its defined in p2p/net/interface.go
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] Kubuxu created test/unixfs/reader-cover (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6i1J
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go-ipfs/test/unixfs/reader-cover 34e04b6 Jakub Sztandera: test: add basic dagreader test...
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<jakobvarmose>
thanks
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] Kubuxu opened pull request #3097: test: 80% coverage of unixfs/io [WIP] (master...test/unixfs/reader-cover) https://git.io/v6iMB
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/test-cover-unixfs-mod at c56e720: https://git.io/v6iDU
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/fuse/osx-cfg-check (+1 new commit): https://git.io/v6iDN
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go-ipfs/fix/fuse/osx-cfg-check e78af3e Jeromy: fuse: make osxfuse check config check more permissive...
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #3098: fuse: make osxfuse check config check more permissive (master...fix/fuse/osx-cfg-check) https://git.io/v6iyH
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[go-ipfs] Kubuxu pushed 1 new commit to test/unixfs/reader-cover: https://git.io/v6iSs
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go-ipfs/test/unixfs/reader-cover de3c28f Jakub Sztandera: test: use mdag/test.Mock() instead...
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<konubinix>
Hi
<konubinix>
I am trying to build ipfs from sources
<konubinix>
make install hangs because gx cannot fetch QmYaeRqthWTco7oQF4dztuqA94P8JF36gVjd2z2eEqKfrh
<konubinix>
I could not get either the dependencies of the tags v0.4.1-rc v0.4.1. It worked for v0.4.0 but the build complained that "../../blocks/blocks.go:22: cannot use util.Hash(data) (type "github.com/jbenet/go-multihash".Multihash) as type "github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/vendor/gx/ipfs/QmYf7ng2hG5XBtJA3tN34DQ2GUN5HNksEw1rLDkmr6vGku/go-multihash".Multihash in field value"
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<konubinix>
About the build error, it was my fault. go 1.6... With go 1.5, it looks like everything builds just fine
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<whyrusleeping>
konubinix: thats odd that go1.6 fails and go1.5 works
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<whyrusleeping>
also, i think that not all the deps for 0.4.1 are pinned on the gateways for some reason... I'm sure theyre on some offline ipfs node somewhere
<whyrusleeping>
for now though, i would recommend using a newer version
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<whyrusleeping>
0.4.2 or 0.4.3-rc3
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<whyrusleeping>
and go1.7 is supported (and encouraged)
<whyrusleeping>
noffle: none that i know of, i'm personally planning on staying in my cave for as long as possible
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted kevina/block-rm at 8679af7: https://git.io/v6iAT
<Mateon1>
konubinix: May I ask why are you building an old version? The current master is on 0.4.4
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[go-ipfs] Kubuxu pushed 1 new commit to test/unixfs/reader-cover: https://git.io/v6ixa
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go-ipfs/test/unixfs/reader-cover 54f3dea Jakub Sztandera: test: refactor some utities out of mod package...
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[go-ipfs] Kubuxu force-pushed test/unixfs/reader-cover from 54f3dea to 8fba8c2: https://git.io/v6ihh
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[go-ipfs] Kubuxu force-pushed test/unixfs/reader-cover from 8fba8c2 to 00a2f0c: https://git.io/v6ihh
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