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<whitequark> thanks awygle
<whitequark> awygle: re ramen: easily
<whitequark> you can also get avitaminosis from eating only lean meat like chicken
<whitequark> and die
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<pie_> i should get more vitamins
<rqou> "vitamins"? :P
* rqou should sleep
<pie_> i suppose forth is true KISS...in some sense
<pie_> awygle, got my atention with rad-hard processor though :P
<pie_> i wonder if cern uses much of those
<pie_> id guess plenty of hard rad near the beamline from brehmsstrahlung, but i doubt theyd have electornics that need replacing every once in a while...then again heck if i know
<pie_> bwing so open about "obscure" technologies leaves me really disoriented :(
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<awygle> I liked that article because it did a good job articulating why it's OK to "waste" ram and cpu sometimes, within reason
<awygle> pie_: cern is a great source for radiation hardness/tolerance data. Their environment isn't exactly like space though so you have to convert intelligently
<awygle> re: vitamins, this vitamin D3 thing is crazy
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<sn00n> awygle: y?
<awygle> sn00n: apparently the RDA for D3 may be 6x to 10x too low
<sn00n> says who?
<pie_> well we aint dead yet
<sn00n> (since D3 has some side effects?)
<sn00n> but: i eat much cheese, butter & milky stuff :)
<sn00n> ah, thx
<sn00n> & i have D3 supplements for the winter (currently)
<awygle> It's been getting a fair bit of press in some circles, I noticed because I take d3 and I have felt for a while that I felt better on a higher-than-recommended dose
<awygle> Needs more review/study I assume
<sn00n> that's what i use
<Zorix> what does D3 do for you?
<sn00n> calcination of bones, muscle build up, i dunno :)
<sn00n> normally the sun (UV-B(?)) builds it up in the skin, but in nothern europe in the winter ...
<Zorix> im way too white to go outside most of the time heh
<Zorix> i have to hide in the shade
<Zorix> south florida too.. sucky
<sn00n> yeah, like me
<sn00n> typical redblond european guy
<Zorix> yep
<sn00n> sun makes my skin peeling
<Zorix> me too
<Zorix> when i was in norway for a bit, i felt right at home heh
<sn00n> hehe
<Zorix> i actually got sunburned in london too
<sn00n> hehe, not bad!
<sn00n> :)
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<pie_> maybe this is why my teeth have gone to shit lately
<pie_> then again i dont think thats how that works...
<whitequark> lack of D3 gets you depressed
<Zorix> no calcium? heh
<awygle> whitequark: do you know the mechanism of that?
<awygle> I probably won't understand it but I am interested
<whitequark> awygle: not the details of it no
<whitequark> try pubmed
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<pie_> osmetihng something anything that isnt randomized double blind doesnt count
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<awygle> azonenberg_work: does your reflow toaster oven have a controller? Or do you run it wide open and time it?
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<azonenberg> awygle: It has a fan and a thermostat but not a profile controller
<azonenberg> Experimentally I get good results with the following process
<azonenberg> Load board into oven on the metal tray, place on standoffs or otherwise elevate to prevent direct contact with the tray
<azonenberg> Set cook mode to "cookies" which is convection plus all heating elements, temperature to 450F / 232C (SAC305 melts at 219)
<azonenberg> This is a little lower than ideal but unless i replace the controller its the hottest i can go
<azonenberg> normally you want to peak in the 250ish range
<azonenberg> Anyway, then i heat from ambient to that temp at full power
<azonenberg> Once the thermostat clicks the air is at 232C and the board is usually a bit over 200
<azonenberg> So i watch the board and observe solder melting
<azonenberg> Once all visible paste has melted (generally big bulky SMA connectors etc, and BGAs, are the last things to go)
<azonenberg> I hold another 30 seconds to ensure complete soldering
<azonenberg> Open the door fully, wait about a minute to ensure solder has solidified, then use pliers to pull the oven rack out to cool a bit faster
<azonenberg> Actually it looks like 233-255 is the recommended range for SAC305
<azonenberg> So assuming my thermostat is well calibrated i'm just outside the ideal range
<azonenberg> I may at some point try and put my own controller on it, maybe once i get the nitrogen purge set up
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<rqou> azonenberg: my favorite part of the procedure will always be "set it to 'cookies'"
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<awygle> Hm OK. I currently have a similar system except the oven has no fan and no thermostat. Thinking upgraded capability is going to be a priority for the new year.
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<pointfree> While we're on the topic of forth and ovens, how about putting forth inside an oven: http://alanwinfield.blogspot.com/2013/03/extreme-debugging-tale-of-microcode-and.html
<pie_> lol silicookies
<rqou> mmm, nice and toxic :P
<rqou> azonenberg: suggestion: homeGaAs (as if homecmos wasn't hard enough) :P
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<awygle> That's the second thing in the last two days I've read that said "the best part of programming is" and then described one of my least favorite parts of programming
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