<whitequark>
but various .com.tw and .com.cn websites often host htem
<awygle>
Interesting. Seems like an obvious extension of the model.
<whitequark>
nope
<whitequark>
alexandra's goal is open access to
<whitequark>
*science*, not just random piracy
<whitequark>
and in any case it's much harder to do in bulk. no DOIs, no uni proxies possible
<cr1901_modern>
awygle: Maybe you could check a certain Bay site if it hasn't been taken down for the 500th time.
<cr1901_modern>
I may have gotten (but never really read in detail) the PCIe spec from there.
<pie_>
btw has this "congress tryng to pass all kinds of shit people dont want" always been going on?
<awygle>
cr1901_modern: it's not so much that I can't get access as that I am contemptuous of the model and would like to see its profitability end
<pie_>
re: net neutralisy, sopa, pipa, fuck knows
<whitequark>
pie_: it's been becoming worse in the last few decades
<pie_>
or does it just seem more because im older and internet
<cr1901_modern>
pie_: It's called "The Republican Party's Last Strangehold On The Masses"
<whitequark>
exponentially worse
<pie_>
ugh
<cr1901_modern>
They can get away w/ operating w/o their masks now
<awygle>
My perspective is that the fear of accountability is gone
<cr1901_modern>
But they've always been vile- just hid it
<pie_>
awygle, its gone because they can \o/
<pie_>
* they *can* do whatever they want!
<pie_>
cr1901_modern, the masses arent even tapping out
<awygle>
We'll see in 2018 (but you're probably right). I hope it's an extinction burst but it's hard to really believe that
<awygle>
#gerrymandering
<awygle>
#fptp
<cr1901_modern>
Doug Jones gave me some hope. Not much, but some > none.
<pie_>
cr1901_modern, how is this a party thing? im not doubting it id just find it a bit odd if evil isnt evenly distributed
<awygle>
I am like the only person I know who is still in "anger and bafflement" and hasn't moved on to "fatalistic despair"
<cr1901_modern>
pie_: I'm not an expert on the subject, but I think I can give a TLDR version
<whitequark>
there's a party that's evil, and a party that will compromise on anything with the other party
<cr1901_modern>
It's a party thing b/c historically the Republican party has had more resources, wealth, power, etc. Things to lose.
<cr1901_modern>
And one invariant of ppl is that: Once they are used to something (privileges), they don't want it taken away
<awygle>
There are a lot of things I don't like about the dems but they acknowledge the basic humanity of people that aren't like them, so they're definitely my choice
<cr1901_modern>
And they will kill us all to keep their privileges
<pie_>
yay
<cr1901_modern>
They aren't left enough
<awygle>
Again I resent the model where we have exactly 2 choices but that's a result of first past the post
<cr1901_modern>
Dems that is
<whitequark>
s/enough//
<cr1901_modern>
Fair, but I can't honestly say I think Dems == GOP
<cr1901_modern>
(Although that's prob gonna change eventually :/)
<awygle>
"imagine being to the right of the American democratic party and thinking you're in the political center"
<whitequark>
they aren't ==, but it doesn't matter much in practice
<whitequark>
they're too spineless
* cr1901_modern
coughs
<whitequark>
not even DSA is going to help y'all
<qu1j0t3>
^
<whitequark>
sorry folks. you're fucked
<cr1901_modern>
No form of government works
<pie_>
dsa?
<cr1901_modern>
That's my helpful contribution
<awygle>
cr1901_modern: citation needed lol
<whitequark>
pie_: democratic socialists of america
<pie_>
ah
<whitequark>
cr1901_modern: try hong kong some day
<whitequark>
i mean it's not perfect but the trains are clean and the streets don't have human shit on them
<cr1901_modern>
Is that the Bay Area you're comparing :3?
<whitequark>
san francisco specifically yes
<whitequark>
it's quite an experience
<cr1901_modern>
What's HK government like?
<whitequark>
even *moscow* has *districts* larger than entire bay area *cities* and it's far better managed
<whitequark>
gov.hk? it's basically neoliberalism
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<whitequark>
the trains are run by a private company that gets fined massive amounts for delays
<cr1901_modern>
Hmmm...
<whitequark>
not only they are wildly profitable but they also have >99.9% of uptime and generally arrive within seconds of timetable
<cr1901_modern>
reminds me of that "Ayn Rand and Paul Ryan walk into an unregulated bar and order a drink. They die." joke
<whitequark>
they're not unregulated
<cr1901_modern>
Oh I know
<cr1901_modern>
I'm saying the exact opposite
<whitequark>
oh have i mentioned the taxes?
<cr1901_modern>
Nope! Can't be worse than here
<whitequark>
i paid something like 3% of tax on my earnings last year, and they LOWERED it this year
<pie_>
if shit works properly apparently you dont need as much for upkeep
<cr1901_modern>
Interesting... even the _lowest_ bracket here is 9%
<awygle>
what's their revenue source? import/export?
<pie_>
if course it costs an arm and a leg to fix everything the first time around
<pie_>
and then a couple more
<awygle>
Or is 3% really a sustainable tax base for them?
<pie_>
jk ive no idea wht im tlaking about
<whitequark>
awygle: it's sustainable
<pie_>
maybe hk people just are rich and dont care about public health
<whitequark>
let me check budget.gov.hk
<whitequark>
um
<whitequark>
hk has socialized healthcare
<cr1901_modern>
does socialized == universal/single-payer?
<whitequark>
universal, but private insurers/practitioners are allowed too
* awygle
considers abandoning his Japanese studies for Cantonese
<pie_>
i was still hoping for it to be shorter though :/
<pie_>
anyway im putting too much effort into this, because im actually trying to write an AI for a competition so most of the slowdown probably wont be due to this, but with any luck i can take advanted of the raw speed here in some form
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<pie_>
its really anoying that theres two more columns, but i guess i can just rerun it with an offset...gonn ahalve my throughput :(
<Bike>
what's an AI got to do with game of life?
<pie_>
also i need to figure out what to do with the edges that arent actually board edges
<Bike>
the microsoft entertainment pack had a game called "life genesis" that was game of life with a two-player mode
<pie_>
oh
<Bike>
i don't think it had a bot though
<pie_>
i actually tried to do a little reasearch on this but couldnt manage to find any articles
<pie_>
either noone cares about adversarial game of life or i have bad keywords
<pie_>
it completely fucks up the algorithm though
<Bike>
probably the first one. everyone does universal constructors and shit, you know.
<pie_>
i dont think ill be able to reuse this
<Bike>
yeah, if you have god altering cells between generations that's probably a bottleneck more than the actual advancement
<pie_>
the issue im thinking of right now being two colors
<Bike>
and it seems likely to me that an adversarial game would be over relatively quickly
<Bike>
oh, yeah, i guess that ups the bits
<pie_>
the actual evolution doesnt change but i havent thought of a good way to keep track of the colors
<pie_>
im very bad at this btw :P
<Bike>
since it doesn't alter the evolution, you could have one bitboard like you do, and then another one that's 0 or 1 on each occupied square for colors (with unoccupied squares don'tcares)
<pie_>
thats what i was thinking originally
<pie_>
i guess what i could maybe do is do the bit counting accumulator for the color board and its negation
<pie_>
then i would have the colored neighbor counts
<pie_>
question is whether i could do some kind of parallel comparison
<pie_>
(bitwise parallel:) blue = neighbor_sum(living & color), red = neighbor_sum(living & ~color)
<pie_>
well actually i need to blend living and majority i think
<pie_>
i need to overwrite the changed cells
<pie_>
jesus christ "In one FPGA project, I pushed a 10ns SRAM up to the "impossible" speed of 100MHz to get 1024x768 video by having what I call "2 in the barrel", which means that 2 clock pulses are still propagating through a bus before reaching an IO port. Imagine the coding and hardware required for that kind of high speed GPU! Oh the fun of it all."
<awygle>
Well, that's the standard body. I was wondering about certification. Somebody that says "I've tested this hardware and it complies with 802.3, so you can use the Ethernet name in your marketing"
<pie_>
balrog, im familiar iwth the concept (vaguely) i just didnt thin gthere were any commutative one
<pie_>
*ones
<pie_>
learning some of that stuf is actually a later project for me
<awygle>
So I somehow made it to this point in my life without learning that Javascript doesn't have threads. Suddenly all the stuff about single-threaded async makes a lot more sense.
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<pie_>
awygle, i guess i never went on a rant here about how i dont know how to use async :P
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