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<andlabs> the only confusion I had was trying to figure out if this was foo_qpsf or not
<andlabs> but since there's nothing in the code to indicate it there was no reason for a commit, so shrug
<andlabs> what is the new name of the experimental psf core that you abandoned?
<andlabs> assuming that's what happened; I forget now
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<Lord_Nightmare> https://bintracker.org/ first i've heard of this, or MDAL
<Lord_Nightmare> andlabs was it curriculum crasher's fm-pac?
<Lord_Nightmare> i know he was selling one
<andlabs> what's their ebay name
<andlabs> oh
<andlabs> googling the ebay name reveals the answer is yes
<andlabs> why? is there something I should have known?
<Lord_Nightmare> no, not at all
<andlabs> ah
<Lord_Nightmare> they were selling an fm-pac, a salamander cart, and an msx2 system
<andlabs> cool
<andlabs> yes, I took the first two
<andlabs> held off on the third, because I already had the MSX1, and I also want to see how the auction stage will play out
<Lord_Nightmare> talk to them on discord, you might be able to get a deal for all 3 :P
<andlabs> uhhh... sure, I guess
<andlabs> should I just quote that?
<Lord_Nightmare> no, but they mentioned selling the system on discord...
<Lord_Nightmare> i forget where though
<andlabs> doesn't seem to be hidden palace's discord
<Lord_Nightmare> ah, it was on the public channel in the plogue discord
<Lord_Nightmare> ... i'm not even sure if there's a public invite to that discord. that channel is supposed to be public tho, so i may just be missing it
<andlabs> heh
<andlabs> it is specific to ALYS?
<Lord_Nightmare> no, i think that discord is dead
<andlabs> ok
<Lord_Nightmare> there was once an alter/ego discord but i think its gone
<Lord_Nightmare> maybe the invite has expired :(
<andlabs> heh
<andlabs> they're listed as offline in hidden-palace I can approach them later
<Lord_Nightmare> they're also on mdfourier
<andlabs> oh huh
<andlabs> plogue is responsible for that fake chips video
<andlabs> ok
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<Lord_Nightmare> andlabs: don't mention me with regards to curriculum crasher, i don't know if i was supposed to even mention that they were selling the machine :(
<Lord_Nightmare> I'm not sure tbh, so i'm erring on the side of caution
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<andlabs> don't worry I'm not going to mention anything
<andlabs> =P
<andlabs> probably not going to say anything tbh
<cr1901_modern> Obligatory link to natarii's current Yamahadventures: https://nya.social/notes/817095b3e94fbbb7cb192f04
<andlabs> and I may pass up on the msx2 anyway since I've already got the cx5m
<andlabs> though frankly it's a problem most music software on the MSX not made specifically for the SFG modules require a MSX2
<andlabs> cr1901_modern: it has been used alone on a number of notable ocasions though
<andlabs> probably most impressively, R-Type
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<ValleyBell> http://62.224.252.234:8010/stream.ogg streaming MIDIs again
<linkmauve> I was wondering how you encapsulated MIDI data in Ogg, but it’s actually just encoded. ^^'
<linkmauve> It’s actually just Vorbis.
<ValleyBell> Well.. I'm playing MIDIs back on a certain device and record that.
<ValleyBell> You can't just stream MIDI data to people, especially if you need specific software/hardware to play them back properly.
<linkmauve> Indeed, which is why I wondered how it’d work.
<andlabs> well you can stream MIDI data to people
<andlabs> they would just need to connect that MIDI data to a MIDI player
<andlabs> and then you get to deal with lag :D
<andlabs> there's also MIDI over Ethernet which is something that nobody uses
<KitsuWhooa> WebMidi
<KitsuWhooa> actually no
<KitsuWhooa> midi over WebUSB
<Lord_Nightmare> Foone: you around?
<Lord_Nightmare> or ej5
<Lord_Nightmare> either of you
<Lord_Nightmare> not what i was originally going to mention
<Lord_Nightmare> but that's very cool
<Lord_Nightmare> whitequark ^
<Lord_Nightmare> i don't think that has high enough resolution to recover data from floppies
<Lord_Nightmare> but its very cool nonetheless
<Lord_Nightmare> what i WAS going to mention is that someone posted a pic of the adlib card prototype on VOGONS
<Lord_Nightmare> I haven't found the thread yet but someone linked the picture
<andlabs> I wanted to get one of those
<andlabs> then I saw how much it cost
<andlabs> blah
<Lord_Nightmare> its an investment, for sure.
<andlabs> I am guessing it wasn't useful to enough people to warrant investment
<andlabs> I do have a reel of quarter-inch tape I bought alongside a whole mess of stuff from someone on ebay but I don't know what's on it
<andlabs> also did you see my /query
<andlabs> anyway, on the subject of this thing
<andlabs> I am still kicking myself for not finding my tape player for techmoan
<andlabs> I cn aswear I still have it somewhere
<andlabs> goddamn that video made me Emotional
<andlabs> (made me increase my patronage too)
<andlabs> hell I might even still have an unreturned tape
<andlabs> but oops, he already made a video on a much more feature-filled unit
<andlabs> so
<andlabs> shrug :/
<Lord_Nightmare> notice the drilled hole for a fixed speaker
<andlabs> also my tape player had an eighth-inch jack and headphones
<andlabs> my first exposure to eighth-inch jacks
<Lord_Nightmare> the final adlib card https://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/images/large/3/8/product-100308.jpg still has the two terminals for the speaker, to the left of the blue capacitor at the top
<Lord_Nightmare> and it even has a ?pilot? hole in the ocb for drilling a speaker hole
<Lord_Nightmare> although its offset a bit too close to the rest of the chips for my taste
<andlabs> did the company that made AdLib have a name
<Lord_Nightmare> it was just 'ad lib' i think?
<andlabs> heh
<emily> "the AdLib Music Synthesizer Card"
<emily> looks like it's more like the AdLib made the Music Synthesizer Card
<KitsuWhooa> I wonder if that's glue around the speaker hole
<KitsuWhooa> Perhaps there was a speaker soldered there at some point
<Lord_Nightmare> i suspect the metal 'butt end' of the speaker was glued there
<Lord_Nightmare> with the metal bit protruding through the hole and the magnet ring flush glued against the pcb
<KitsuWhooa> yeah
<KitsuWhooa> I wonder if it fell off and the wires got cut or something, because it does look like something is inside those terminals
<KitsuWhooa> unless I'm looking at the wrong things
<Lord_Nightmare> i suspect it broke loose and someone cut the speaker off so it wouldn't do more damage
<Lord_Nightmare> easy enough to solder it back on
<KitsuWhooa> would make sense, yeah
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<cr1901_modern> andlabs: Indeed. Spindizzy also does not use the OKI chip
<andlabs> right, some X1turbo and X68000 games are also OPM-only
<andlabs> want your mind blown?
<andlabs> time trax is also FM only
<andlabs> no PSG or PCM
<cr1901_modern> I knew that
<cr1901_modern> I like FM drums
<cr1901_modern> :P
<cr1901_modern> It is one of my goals in life to produce FM drums like Follin or Utabi
<superctr_> you'll never do it unless you try
<superctr_> it's not hard btw
<cr1901_modern> _Good_ FM drums?
<cr1901_modern> I definitely think it's hard! I have a patch for some crappy snares I did a while back tho
<cr1901_modern> There are YT tutorials for FM drums (not focused on Yamaha of course), but I don't get them sounding that good
<superctr_> use alg 4, or 5
<superctr_> one half to do the noise part and the other part to do a thump
<cr1901_modern> What about hi hat and bass/kick drum?
<superctr_> same thing, use alg 4 or 5
<superctr_> you can even have both on the same channel simultaneously
<superctr_> since you only need 2 ops for the hihat and kick
<ej5> thanks Lord_Nightmare that's a cool pic
<superctr_> https://soundcloud.com/superctr/sor2-dreamer-opl2 and here's "TR909"-ish drums on OPL2, again using 2x2op
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<andlabs> ah good FM drums
<andlabs> always fun
<andlabs> r-type that I mentioned earlier somehow has a convincing emulation of that one really heavy 80s drum
<andlabs> er sorry no, r-type ii
<andlabs> and not the super heavy one
<andlabs> ah! here's the super heavy one
<andlabs> https://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/golden-axe-sega-system-16b#02-the-battle-player-select still not sure you can get a better timpani than this
<andlabs> https://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/puyo-puyo-sega-system-c-2#12-warning-of-puyopuyo this has a particular character of snare drum
<andlabs> I really need ot make a collection of the best video game voices
<fseidel> IMO, the FM drums used by ChoRenSha 68K and Illumination Laser are the best FM drums ever
<fseidel> I think they're actually the same patch between both games
<fseidel> Direct-X also has pretty good FM drums
<cr1901_modern> superctr_: Those are some good drums (fm3test4)
<cr1901_modern> fseidel: I assume that's a Japanese game and not a 3d API?
<fseidel> yeah, lol
<fseidel> it's a homebrew X68K shmup from 1996(?)
<cr1901_modern> andlabs: That timpani is spot on ._.
<cr1901_modern> A few Sub-Terrania vibes from that track
<andlabs> [17:58:45] <fseidel>Direct-X also has pretty good FM drums
<andlabs> can someone please explain what this is
<andlabs> you can guess that Microsoft has made this difficult to find
<andlabs> as is youtube channels that just mirror vgmrips.net songs
<andlabs> [18:36:49] <cr1901_modern>A few Sub-Terrania vibes from that track
<andlabs> from golden axe?! huh.
<cr1901_modern> I said that specific track, specifically reminds me of Power Flower I from Sub-Terrania
<fseidel> poorly-named doujin X68K shmup
<fseidel> extremely short, nice music
<fseidel> and neat graphics