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<tparys> alright, I gotta run gents. later
* Tonymac32 needs a beer
* IgorPec passes a beer to Tony :)
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<Tonymac32> cheers :)
<IgorPec> cheers and good night :)
<lanefu> welcome Tony!
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<Tonymac32> hey Lanefu
<lanefu> Tonymac32: i had to give my power supply back to teh kitchen.. but i ordered one
<Tonymac32> haha
<lanefu> i need to wire up all my seiral consoles and i dont want to
<lanefu> its always frustting
<lanefu> whatever pin you choose is always backwards
<Tonymac32> uh, what is config_base vs config_meta
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TvPrivacy (Privacy & Tech Tips): Uploaded patch + instruction download for anyone w/needs to fix #Pine64 #Armbian #SOPINE #LoRa upgrade/boot issue. After following should have no problems flashing the newer image (tested out + rebooted). git clone here: https://t.co/yL2VA2b83F https://tinyurl.com/yfn268ca (14s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @TvPrivacy (Privacy & Tech Tips): @MisterTechBlog @codingfield original post here on the fix offered by 'dippywood' (watch out for minor directory commandline typos if you follow the post - I corrected the minor typos in reupload): https://t.co/2eaBlogT7t https://tinyurl.com/yfxylolq (8s ago)
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<nekomancer[m]> Infiniband already dead
<IgorPec> 2019: Nvidia acquired Mellanox for $6.9B
<stipa> it's buying everything, they sell graphic cards like there's no tomorrow, i guess the digital currency brought them bunch of profit
<lanefu> Infiniband is still out there
<lanefu> i'm excited about Nvidia's Grace server processor
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<stipa> AI cpu
<stipa> whatever that is
<stipa> how can you call something AI cpu when there's not even code for it
<stipa> someone has to make it
<stipa> and probably even then it won't be of any use or something called AI
<stipa> it'll be just old farty linux running apache
<lanefu> regardless it's gonna have neoverse cores
<lanefu> so will do servering fine
<stipa> that makes sense, but calling it AI doesn't
<lanefu> well anything that has some hardware offloading for neural networks is AI
<stipa> neural networks
<stipa> oh my
<stipa> neural my ass
<stipa> :D
<lanefu> which i mean is really just.. really fancy pattern recognition
<stipa> probably
<lanefu> its cool tech.. just naturally the landscape gets so hyped around it that it because a little disgusting to hear
<stipa> yeah
<stipa> but you know, people are behaving like it's how it's marketed
<stipa> linkedin is full of pros like that
<stipa> AI pros
<stipa> like they're already there
<stipa> like, they're the first
<stipa> if you know what i mean
<stipa> so much school and money invested in it and you end up as a scammer
<IgorPec> scamming is big business :)
<stipa> sad truth
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> When the super intelligent AI is coming? I wanna know 🤣
<stipa> when someone codes it
<stipa> i guess there's not even an idea what it should be
<lanefu> anything using images or video is using AI.. that's liek use case number one
<lanefu> after that it's language comprehension adn prediction.. hten just deep data analytics adn prediction
<lanefu> I think Machine Learning falls under AI
<stipa> there should be some basic needs
<stipa> why should it do what it does
<stipa> the purpose
<stipa> humans execute programs as well
<stipa> going to bathroom is a program
<stipa> or if you don't execute the program you die
<stipa> so, you execute programs for energy(food)
<stipa> stuff like that
<stipa> ai could work for electricity
<stipa> if you don0t execute the program you won't get electricity and you die
<stipa> that should keep it alive
<stipa> autonomous
<stipa> of course, programs are something of use to people
<stipa> that ai should execute
<stipa> so, the thing is to write a good program
<stipa> and flash it into the AI with physical body
<stipa> the thing would be just to work on better versions of that programs and to keep bodies and processing hardware at some standard
<stipa> so that it doesn't change often and that the programs are opensource
<stipa> AI without body is of no use to people
<stipa> but as it turned out throught the history
<stipa> it's not easy
<stipa> honda didn't make it with asimo
<stipa> if it would be open, maybe...
<kprasadvnsi[m]> IMO we don't really understand what is even mean to be intelligent.
<stipa> yeah, if we did it would be easier to design a fullbody ai
<stipa> i guess there's enough resources do do it right now
<stipa> but the lack of understanding of humans is lacking behinf
<stipa> behind*
<kprasadvnsi[m]> This rabbit hole goes way deeper then you can imagine.
<stipa> right
<stipa> it goes to that point that human is biological eobot probably
<stipa> robot*
<stipa> and to the creator
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Well, there is no such thing as intelligence. As long as you manage to lower the entropy of an open system, you are alive.
<stipa> intelligence is how complex programs can you execute
<stipa> robot program will also be equally intelligent as it's coder
<stipa> the quality of code will define the quality of ai's intelligence
<kprasadvnsi[m]> When you cut down all this intelligence bullshit that we have created to masterbat aur brain into thinking that we are above other species but the truth is that we are just monkey with fancy compute units.
<stipa> right
<stipa> some can execute more complex programs then others and that's intelligence
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> <stipa "some can execute more complex pr"> Nop, just answer me this"why we need to be intelligent?"
<stipa> it helps you to survive
<stipa> survival of the fittest
<kprasadvnsi[m]> <stipa "it helps you to survive"> There is hell lot of things in nature that survived a lot longer then we have. Example: bacteria
<stipa> i mean, people aginst the people
<stipa> man against the man
<stipa> not man against the bacteria
<stipa> but i guess it would be not so irpontant ot code that into the AI
<stipa> we don't want AI killing AI around
<kprasadvnsi[m]> <stipa "i mean, people aginst the people"> What is the point of then calling us intelligent when we are the only one calling us intelligent 🤣
<stipa> Intelligence would be "information" doing something
<stipa> Artificial would be "not real"
<stipa> but it's real
<stipa> if you give it physical body to use
<stipa> to execute programs
<stipa> even it's program exists in physical form
<stipa> i would call it creative force
<stipa> not Artifical intelligence
<stipa> because it would do something that didn't exist before
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> <stipa "because it would do something th"> how do you know this? And WTF is creative force?
<stipa> creative force is when you realize an idea
<stipa> you put idea into the word
<stipa> materialize it
<stipa> make it real
<stipa> that's creative force
<stipa> create
<stipa> ok, AI wouldn't do some fancy creations, but moving things around in reality and moving self as an object is a big thing, it depends on a program what it would do
<kprasadvnsi[m]> <stipa "creative force is when you reali"> That doesn't look scientific term to me.
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: it's not
<stipa> that's common sense
<stipa> if someone could make full body AI that can change sheets and take care ofitself would be a historical achievemnt
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<stipa> that for sure needs some heavy processing
<stipa> the only reason it needs human like body is beacuse the world is adapted to humans and it's logical that it has human like body in order to blend well and move in our environments
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Ok, I give up🤣
<stipa> yeah,
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: it would be fun writing program of changing bed sheets for sure
<stipa> but AI watching and learning how to change bed sheets, i think that want happen soon
<stipa> wont*
<stipa> in either case, it learning or just instlaling a program in it
<stipa> is pretty much the same thing
<stipa> why learning it to do something when you can just download a program in it that other robot "learned"
<stipa> AI is a lot of work, probably someones lifetime
<stipa> it's not cheap to design a body, that's why we're seeing just vision and stuff with webcams
<stipa> and it lags like hell
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<Ecko_> 137 days of uptime on armbian odroid c4 :)
<Ecko_> Had to restart though, since a service mysteriously wouldn't want to start
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<stipa> Ecko_: fancy
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<IgorPec> Echo power cycle.
<[TheBug]> power cycle
<[TheBug]> .
<[TheBug]> :D
<IgorPec> amlogic has som troubles booting lately ;)
<[TheBug]> Sounds like Amlogic
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<lanefu> rebooting has never been their strength