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<ArmbianTwitter> @RealDanct12 (Danct12): Currently testing other operating systems on @thepine64 #PinebookPro. So let's give @armbian a try. :) https://t.co/AjUxZvArg1 https://tinyurl.com/yzmqvcvw (17s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @alicela1n (Alice✨🌸): @RealDanct12 @thepine64 @armbian That looks like Ubuntu https://tinyurl.com/ykyvmyr6 (3s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @RealDanct12 (Danct12): @alicela1n @thepine64 @armbian Because it is based on Ubuntu Focal, you can see it asking to be updated.. :P https://tinyurl.com/yhgsadpv (14s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @alicela1n (Alice✨🌸): @RealDanct12 @thepine64 @armbian But isn’t armbian Debian based https://tinyurl.com/ydq2oo8b (21s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @alicela1n @RealDanct12 @thepine64 https://t.co/QJrss9CMmC https://tinyurl.com/yhqmadxk (1s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @alicela1n @RealDanct12 @thepine64 Desktop is vanilla @gnome which is used by many Linux distros out there. Kernel is ours while userland / "root" is assembled from Ubuntu package base without bloatware. https://tinyurl.com/yzncwkw3 (6s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @RealDanct12 (Danct12): Unfortunately I spent my mobile data just to download Armbian, and now they limited my data speed to 14kb/s. Oops, I shouldn't have done that. https://tinyurl.com/yfxc2w96 (5s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @RealDanct12 (Danct12): Unfortunately I spent my mobile data just to download Armbian, and now they (mobile carrier) limited my data speed to 14kb/s. Oops, I shouldn't have done that. https://tinyurl.com/yfs8hfyo (19s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @penzoiders (Lorenzo Faleschini): @RealDanct12 @thepine64 @armbian manjaro and i3wm an you'll never get back, especially on those low-ram ARM things. https://tinyurl.com/yfkdcd8r (21s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @penzoiders @RealDanct12 @thepine64 CLI is even faster :) https://tinyurl.com/yfavh5jb (6s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @r_pawlinski (Radosław Pawliński): @RealDanct12 @thepine64 @armbian I tried @armbian with @gnome on Pinebook Pro a few weeks ago. It worked great! Pretty snappy. Are "Online accounts in Gnome" (and changing the background) still not working? Specific Nextcloud. https://tinyurl.com/yg3hz8xe (12s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @penzoiders (Lorenzo Faleschini): @armbian @RealDanct12 @thepine64 oh, yes, I was talking about "my low-ram laptop environment of choice" ;-) https://tinyurl.com/ygt43dkn (4s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @penzoiders @RealDanct12 @thepine64 This low-ram laptop of choice is among most powerful devices #armbian covers https://t.co/peFgXgcj6o ... comparing bulky Gnome with i3 is what doesn't fit in. https://tinyurl.com/ydwpmw3d (2s ago)
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> anybody have experience with the ASoC Kernel Subsystem? I need help understanding how this all work. and Yes, I read the kernel docs already.
<lanefu> whats ASoC?
<kprasadvnsi[m]> ALSA for System on Chip
<kprasadvnsi[m]> It's a sound thing
<stipa> guys at nasa are rocking tmux hard
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: try asking at #lad
<kprasadvnsi[m]> <stipa "kprasadvnsi: try asking at #lad"> What is that?
<stipa> linux audio dev
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Where can I find these people?
<stipa> /join #lad
<stipa> it's a channel on freenode
<stipa> i have no idea how "matrix" works
<stipa> but i guess you would go through same process as you joined #armbian
<stipa> this time you join #lad
<kprasadvnsi[m]> I tried joining it. I joined and immediately kicked out
<stipa> what's the error
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Could not join #lad on 'chat.freenode.net': err_needreggednick
<stipa> you need to reg nick on freenode i guess
<stipa> it's to prevent spam and stuff
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Can it do it from matrix app?
<stipa> i have no idea, never used it
<kprasadvnsi[m]> I am lost
<kprasadvnsi[m]> Not sure what to do
<kprasadvnsi[m]> stipa where should I execute that command
<stipa> you're there
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> I can't access it from the matrix app
<stipa> check my first link above, there's some info how to do it from the matrix
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<Heisath> Hello
<Heisath> About codefreeze for 2021.05 how are things looking IgorPec?
<Werner> hi
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<kprasadvnsi[m]> stipa did you able to join in ?
<IgorPec> hi Heisath .... i am fine with it
<IgorPec> i am working on bugs
<Heisath> Good was asking for the package thing. Then I'll post in the forum later and tell ppl to concentrate on bugfixing and maybe ask in announcement for testing (by users)
<IgorPec> regarding packaging, only this bsp-cli is getting in, its already tested quite well, upgrade works
<Heisath> I'd then do the RC branch tomorrow.
<IgorPec> you are the boss :)
<IgorPec> yeah, lets focus on bugs.
<Heisath> uboot 2021 for mvebu is not really working btw. Clearfog still has massive pcie issues (stock solidrun images have them aswell, still solidrun claims "mainline support") and helios4 has issues with boot image sizing (might be fixable though).
<Xogium> to be fair u-boot claims a lot of things to be supported in mainline but a lot of them are completely bugged. Its as if noone properly test them
<IgorPec> yeah, we can't do much in this short time
<IgorPec> i would say this is already in the R&D domain. we keep old u-boot here
<Heisath> It is also not worth it. What does new uboot give us - nothing.
<IgorPec> yes, agree
<IgorPec> u-boot bump is only if it brings something on the table
<Xogium> for example I wanted mainline u-boot for a board because it had support for it, and also mainline now claim to support squashfs which was the fs I needed
<Xogium> turns out the squashfs support is completely bugged and u-boot crashes when attempting to boot from it. I went to their irc and asked for help for several days - sent at least 2 messages per day for 4 or 5 days before I just gave up and left. Nobody answere me
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: yeah, but my nick is registered
<IgorPec> support is very troublesome
<Xogium> I honestly don't understand why every board ever made seems to default to u-boot when its so full of crap like this. I've switched to barebox where possible and absolutely don't regret it
<Xogium> the very first day I used barebox, I reported 3 bugs, and they were all fixed in a matter of minutes
<IgorPec> you got lucky, small comppany, no clients and this works then ... don't know just speculating
<Xogium> a 4th one was trickier to fix because it was memory corruption but yeah, its a nice breath of fresh air
<Xogium> yeah probably
<stipa> it's hard to fix bug if you don't have same exact hardware as well
<Xogium> but community in general is way more friendly
<IgorPec> for us this represent zero value
<Xogium> every time I went in u-boot irc to ask for an issue with a driver or etc I was basically told to fix it myself
<IgorPec> we can't just use other loader
<IgorPec> for most of boards we operate with, we would need to build support
<IgorPec> which is shoot in the head
<Xogium> yeah I understand that
<IgorPec> and most vendors stick to u-boot
<IgorPec> so ...
<stipa> it's hack boards
<Xogium> that's what I don't understand. Why stick to u-boot when the devs are so not friendly
<stipa> open source
<stipa> maybe
<Xogium> barebox is open
<IgorPec> well
<IgorPec> its not about that
<Xogium> it was forked from u-boot sometimes back in 2008, of all things
<Xogium> if I remember right
<IgorPec> support in open source is not just asking and you will get
<IgorPec> its like when people ask us for support on some linux driver, since we provide kernel
<IgorPec> its impossible to help and time got wasted
<Xogium> yeah
<IgorPec> and when you have tens of thasands users trying to reach a few people ... response is predicted
<Xogium> they sure did waste my time in saying squashfs support was added and working… Well, I can say its not for damn sure. No matter what I tried it kept saying that it wasn't a valid inode
<Xogium> when doing ls
<Xogium> and then outright crashing the cpu when attempting to boot up
<IgorPec> nobody did fool you intentionaly
<Xogium> I know that but it feels like noone tested that thing
<IgorPec> its not that
<IgorPec> probably it worked, but it was broken. ofc there are no unit tests or similar
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: i've sent you a private msg
<IgorPec> i would say we all have too big expectations
<Xogium> probably
<IgorPec> even software that is thrown millions into, have bugs and troubles
<IgorPec> usually is not even on the level of such public projects
<kprasadvnsi[m]> <stipa "kprasadvnsi: i've sent you a pri"> I am following the tutorial
<Xogium> yeah
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: ok
<Xogium> it was just really not great, even less so when you got the pressure of the guy that hired you behind
<Xogium> so yeah I felt kind of frustrated :p<
<stipa> yeah, the quality of commercial software is of lower quality
<Xogium> ended up going to ext4 for boot partition and squashfs for the rootfs, but that also required extra work to do, work which could have been avoided had squashfs directly worked in u-boot
<stipa> Xogium: the beauty is that you could implement that yourself i guess
<IgorPec> sure, but you forget that this is community software
<IgorPec> and if you want to keep things up and operational, it has to be maintained
<Xogium> stipa: yeah, still was a failure and I got my boss annoyed on top of everything else. I wish I hadn't tried in the first place
<IgorPec> both u-boot and linux are pretty much raw material. which you need to work on quite substantionaly to achive (close to) perfection
<stipa> Xogium: never give up, that's the trick to success
<kprasadvnsi[m]> stipa its done. It was lot harder than I thought XD
<Xogium> stipa: true :)
<stipa> kprasadvnsi[m]: yeah, it looks like that in the tutorial, if you're doing it with irc client it's a piece of cake
<stipa> Xogium: sad but true
<stipa> none likse the waiting it to happen but it won't happen if you're not trying
<stipa> it's pita but there's no other way
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<ArmbianTwitter> @andreas_drewke (Andreas Drewke): @RealDanct12 @thepine64 @armbian Oh please tell us how it performs. https://tinyurl.com/yepfws2o (30s ago)
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<nekomancer[m]> kprasadvnsi: you should have a private chat with "Freenode IRC Application Service". look for it in "people" part of matrix contacts
<nekomancer[m]> commands should be issued there
<nekomancer[m]> nickserv sets separate chat with you "NickServ (PM on chat.freenode.net)". there you can authorise your nick
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<ArmbianTwitter> @brunomiguel (Bruno Miguel): Five more @arm-based units live. These ones are at @CustodianDC in Kent. @fosshostorg already has some projects making use of our Arm-based hardware: @armbian, @rocky_linux and @ubuntuunityla. Don't forget to donate ;) https://t.co/yHWZWiBF3g https://t.co/xLTDWNnRAy https://tinyurl.com/yh4bl7lr (31s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter> @KahLoyx (just Kah): @r_pawlinski @RealDanct12 @thepine64 @armbian @gnome I add to unblock the org.gnome.desktop.background permissions to be able to change the wallpapers 🙄 https://tinyurl.com/yhuw56hy (23s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter> @KahLoyx (just Kah): @RealDanct12 @thepine64 @armbian I switched to armbian to be able to boot from an sd card and set the root fs onto an nvme, and it was a really good deal, I love it ! https://tinyurl.com/yj9vnbhu (23s ago)