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<ArmbianTwitter> @_jaj (Jona Joachim): @guidol70 @Olimex @armbian I agree, RAM has always been the limiting factor for me to use these boards as a desktop system. I would love to see an ARM board with minimum 8, better 12 GB of RAM https://tinyurl.com/yevnfd84 (12.3h ago)
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<IgorPec> good morning
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<nekomancer[m]> Good morning!
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<lanefu> morning
<IgorPec> morning
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<stipa> the thing i dont like about python is that i'm constantly copying and pasting stuff, i didn't even memorize all the synthax
<stipa> if i would have to write simple line of code i couldn't do it
<stipa> what a lazy language
<stipa> i know what lines do but i couldnt write one if that makes any sense
<stipa> the worst thing is if i need to go pageup or down to copy a line from there, it's ike overkill for me
<stipa> like: oh no i have to go page up to copy a line from there
<nekomancer[m]> like hipsters. "stackoverflow programming".
<stipa> it's in it's DNA i guess
<stipa> it's like in a nutshell
<stipa> -copy a line
<stipa> -modify it
<stipa> and that modification process is also copy and paste
<stipa> delete copy paste
<stipa> and in comments are resources
<stipa> that are as well copied and pasted
<nekomancer[m]> it was so hard before screen editors. on home pc of 80x.
<Xogium> stipa: I don't get what you mean, why is python specifically bad for that copy-paste ? I mean, what's preventing you from doing that exact thing with C, C++, or whatever ?
<nekomancer[m]> in basic ".450" — then you can edit line 450. but you have no clipoard
<stipa> Xogium: it's easy
<Xogium> so ?
<stipa> i have a feeling that i'm cheating or something and i feel dumb
<Xogium> but you could do that same thing with other languages
<stipa> painfully so yes
<Xogium> but that's how trying to program make me feel
<Xogium> in general
<stipa> it's all in the head
<stipa> the idea is important
<stipa> then you build it with whatever it could achieve the idea
<Xogium> I know I shouldn't listen or get influenced by rude ass***** on the internet but honestly
<Xogium> when I get told that the only reason I haven't pick up go programming language is because I'm making excuses to not learn to program
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<ArmbianTwitter> @armbian (armbian): @AlfonsiJessica @blu51899890 @NVIDIAEmbedded When CUDA implementation will be open source and when / if we will have enough resources for complex code implementation. Both seems impossible :( This is all we have: https://t.co/7mYZTORhy6 https://tinyurl.com/yzr7y7qm (18s ago)
<Xogium> it kind of hurts, really
<stipa> well
<stipa> i guess you can follow one line of a text at the moment
<stipa> programming is like at least 10 lines
<Xogium> yea
<stipa> and eyes scan through them
<stipa> searching the problem and
<stipa> trying to make it work
<stipa> so, idk how could you make that buffer
<stipa> of few lines at the same moment
<stipa> in your mind
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<stipa> i guess one of the approaches would be to start with 10 lners
<stipa> 10 line programs
<stipa> you can memorize those lines
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<stipa> and scan through them
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<stipa> in the mind
<stipa> eyes can scan fast
<stipa> bam and they're at line 10
<stipa> bam line 1
<stipa> and mind doesn't loose focus of the idea
<stipa> idk, maybe you could give voice commands to the screen
<stipa> to wich line you want to go
<Xogium> there,s like this multi-line display but its almost 5000 euros last I checked, don't have that :p
<stipa> yeah, that could help
<stipa> i guess you coud code then
<stipa> tmultile screen would be the equivalent to what eyes see
<stipa> multiline screen*
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: sounds like fun, i bet in those times you had to take care of program memory
<stipa> 256 byte programs and such
<nekomancer[m]> aww, yess. you should care for memory when all ram is 32 KB, 16 of them are screen, and first 500B is stack.
<nekomancer[m]> it was my first school computer.
<stipa> cool times
<nekomancer[m]> so much hopes...
<stipa> i'm like
<stipa> 386 486 era guy
<stipa> ninties
<stipa> how to play a game without stuttering
<stipa> there were no low level back then
* nekomancer[m] did a COWOX
<stipa> win 3
<stipa> and dos
<stipa> then win 95, win xp ...
<stipa> and now this mess we have today
<stipa> it's never enough to enjoy a freakin game
<nekomancer[m]> o, first simple home computers of 80x I see not have a timer interrupts. It makes all background sound-related stuff near to impossible
<stipa> COWOX ?
<nekomancer[m]> sorry, covox
<stipa> you mean sound's weren't in sync with the video?
<stipa> neat
<stipa> a dac
<nekomancer[m]> I mean it's very hard to perform sound when you have only one linear execution line.
<nekomancer[m]> you have to change IO register just in time. but you have no timers, and execution thread does something.
<stipa> right
<stipa> no interupt
<stipa> no timer interrupt
<stipa> got it
<stipa> was it possible to do it in software or it took to much resources to do it?
<stipa> i haven't been in contact with mcu without timer interrupt but i guess i saw it can be done in software
<stipa> covox made a history man
<nekomancer[m]> <stipa "was it possible to do it in soft"> yes. game devs did it. sure, only on assembler.
<stipa> right right
<nekomancer[m]> but it was very high skill.
<stipa> yeah, i guess lot's of time organisation
<stipa> inside of a chip
<stipa> piece of art for sure
<stipa> running software timers that stay in time and flying code around them is something
<nekomancer[m]> next "wow" was multi-channel fm synthesis. but it was next step in hardware. special sound chips.
<nekomancer[m]> then storage, databases... and so on
<stipa> yeah, FM was everywhere
<stipa> it is today as well
<stipa> fm + wavetables
<stipa> that's popular right now
<stipa> super fast wavetables + fm betweene them
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<ArmbianTwitter> @raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @armbian support maybe? https://t.co/IqYRKjZqgB https://tinyurl.com/ygstb6d5 (25s ago)