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<tparys>
I don't hate you either, just trying to add to the conversation
<tparys>
I do apologize that I derailed your argument
<stipa>
ok
<stipa>
good we're on the sam note
<stipa>
i'm sorry also
<stipa>
i don't base my decisions on qoura
<tparys>
that's fair
<stipa>
what architectures did you learn about tparys ?
<tparys>
just so many little details about modern computer chips that are fun, I enjoy sharing things like that
<stipa>
tparys: did you come across nay mcus?
<stipa>
any*
<tparys>
x86 and ARM mostly. though most of school was on topics like cache controllers, out of order architectures, and branch prediction
<tparys>
MCUs = microcontrollers?
<stipa>
i see you're a fresher
<stipa>
relaity my sting a bit
<stipa>
throw yourself in ARM arch
<stipa>
it's open and stuff
<tparys>
my thesis was on simulating memory architectures on ARM ;)
<stipa>
some peripherals arent
<stipa>
some manufacturers don't give
<stipa>
data about chips
<stipa>
that end in daily use
<tparys>
*cough* Broadcom *cough*
<stipa>
many shit
<stipa>
not just broadcom
<tparys>
I hear MediaTek is also bad
<stipa>
Mediatek is as i see it
<stipa>
new
<stipa>
shit
<stipa>
in linux realm
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<stipa>
before it was
<stipa>
atheros
<stipa>
so in for example wifi AX
<stipa>
mediatek will rule
<stipa>
atheros is gone
<stipa>
devs from atheros went mediatek
<tparys>
I think it's a 50/50 chance ARM will be largely EOL in about 20 years, as nice of an architecture as it is
<tparys>
it's a nice origin story too, the guys at Acorn
<stipa>
by then
<stipa>
optic chips or organic chips
<tparys>
RISC-V
<stipa>
no
<stipa>
propbably optics
<tparys>
my argument is this, the last big pissing match over ARM was US govt and China, all sorts of export controls
<stipa>
but organic electronis will be fine as well
<tparys>
and NVidia bought ARM holdings, and they're in California
<tparys>
If you have 1.5 billion people, do you continue to play that game, or do you distance yourself and invest in resources to do it yourself better
<stipa>
intellect is above politics
<tparys>
agree, but politics sucks
<mangix>
stipa: news to me about atheros
<stipa>
mangix: did you ge tthe router?
<mangix>
i did
<tparys>
optics will be interesting if they can make it work, haven't seen anything other than basic research on optics yet
<mangix>
well, different one
<stipa>
speed*
<stipa>
tparys: i mean optic processors and stuff
<stipa>
optics replacing silicon at large
<stipa>
tparys: it's a debate
<tparys>
I suspect carbon fiber has a better chance in the near future, but I'd love a glowing orb on my desk
<stipa>
tparys: the problem is the chip manufacturing can't go smaller
<stipa>
tparys: the routes are optics or organic electtronics
<stipa>
probably both
<tparys>
yeah, lithography gets hard at that scale, and capacitative effects get more pronounced as stuff gets closer
<stipa>
sure
<stipa>
but how to program that all
<stipa>
will stay the same
<stipa>
change will be at the lower levels only
<tparys>
maybe, maybe not. all depends if there's a big revolutionary design change or not
<tparys>
I don't think many are working on it in acadamia
<stipa>
if you want
<stipa>
i saw few companies searching
<stipa>
how is it called
<stipa>
bi someting
<stipa>
some shit that exists
<stipa>
1 and 0 exist at the same time
<stipa>
fuck me i can't remember
<tparys>
quantum
<stipa>
yeah
<stipa>
quantum programming
<stipa>
that's popular at unis
<stipa>
or is it=
<tparys>
true quantum computers don't exist yet, but there are a few that exist that exhibit quantum behavior that can solve certain types of problems
<tparys>
I think it's called quantum annealing?
<stipa>
man
<tparys>
the first that can run Shor's algorithm breaks the every ounce of trust on the internet
<stipa>
i'm seeing idiots investing
<stipa>
into quantum computers emulated on the FPGA
<stipa>
peeps earn living doing nothing at alll
<tparys>
FPGAs tend to be deterministic
<stipa>
if you just want to live by
<tparys>
you can get flip flops into metastable states, but that's not really encouraged, and I'm not sure you could do anything useful with it
<stipa>
there's a bunch of bulshit around
<tparys>
basically by violating the setup and hold times of when the flip flop "flips", it "flops" when it shouldn't
<stipa>
?
<stipa>
you mean on 555 ?
<tparys>
usually happens on FPGAs when you sample data with the wrong clock. but no, no 555 timers involved
<stipa>
tparys: i've seen some guys at unis doing quantum internet
<tparys>
as well as the fact that clock signals arrive across the FPGA at very different times
<stipa>
if you want to process something you're going to get delay
<stipa>
tparys:
<stipa>
sure
<stipa>
fpga's are marketed
<stipa>
as real time
<stipa>
but it's not true
<tparys>
an ambigous term to be sure
<stipa>
the more comlex your shit is the more time it gets
<tparys>
but you can control signals at nanosecond resolution if you're careful
<stipa>
you can do whatever you want
<stipa>
as long as you can trick the human sensors beleving it's real
<stipa>
nerves have some daly
<stipa>
so don't go over it
<stipa>
and you're rady for AR and VR
<stipa>
many don't even understand it and see it ias a problem
<stipa>
i'm seeing many shit online
<stipa>
lateny will be a big problem in VR and AR
<stipa>
latency
<stipa>
it's fusking with the music since it went totally virtual two decades ago
<stipa>
"LATENCY"
<stipa>
you'll need to have a hell of a code
<stipa>
to provide VR and AR
<stipa>
to the public
<stipa>
in real time
<stipa>
or
<tparys>
you hold some very strong opinions rather passionately, my friend
<stipa>
delay of the human nerves
<stipa>
i live with latency at leas two decades
<stipa>
not solving it VR and AR are no't possible
<stipa>
you need fucking great code
<stipa>
probably ASM
<stipa>
atl least awesome drivers
<stipa>
to chew all the crap
<stipa>
from wanna be programmers
<stipa>
and
<stipa>
go with the flow
<stipa>
go with popular stuff
<stipa>
apple
<stipa>
google
<stipa>
they'll have hardware on the market
<stipa>
and noone will be able to compete with them
<stipa>
just develop code for that stuff and you'll be good
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
I need DT for OPi3 bsp kernel. The one OPi provide is a decompiled version that is not very human readable. I am stuck with my codec driver due to this reason.
<lanefu>
Ask them for it on twitter
<lanefu>
i bet it will be funny
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
I don't wanna explain them what device tree is on twitter.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
In fact any bsp DT will work as long as it has gpio-spk entity in human readable format
<stipa>
kprasadvnsi[m]: if you have a harder way go with it
<stipa>
kprasadvnsi[m]: asking someone on twitter about your problem is i guess a waste of time
<stipa>
there's just a bunch of
<stipa>
-- pičke
<ArmbianHelper>
pussies [sl~>eng]
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
My last option would be to decipher the decompiled DT that I have no Idea how I am gonna do it.
<stipa>
fuck man
<stipa>
try on ##kernel
<stipa>
tparys: i also see a trend of taking care and installing wifi networks around
<stipa>
tparys: but it's also risky due pandemic
<stipa>
tparys: i'm seeing cisco is working har on that market
<stipa>
hard*
<stipa>
pretty much majority of it sucks now on the market
<stipa>
people just want thinfs to works
<stipa>
things*
<stipa>
very good market
<stipa>
servicing wifi networks
<stipa>
tparys: you could live like a kinf
<stipa>
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<stipa>
we have some attacks
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<stipa>
i amazed how someone wven wants to attack freenode
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<stipa>
even*
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<stipa>
it's unbeliveable over how many bugs and shit people i came over this server
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@srdjanrosic (Srdjan Rosic): @simonlbn Except for FreeBSD: FriendlyElec NanoPi R4S - it's tiny, runs openwrt as well as armbian, plenty fast for gigabit nat/firewall. AES in hw (if you insist on openvpn or ipsec, or want an encrypted usb3 hdd). Passive cooled in metal case, poe powered w/ 3party $10 usb-c splitter https://tinyurl.com/yzdlvjhl (19s ago)
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