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<luca020400> Great xd
<juan210600> And Argentina for having the most clean and nice vocabulary of all the world.
<luca020400> .... ?
<juan210600> There is a game about us on the Play Store.
<juan210600> Is called Eh amego.
<luca020400> Lol
<luca020400> Eh amego = ?
<juan210600> I will repeat it.
<luca020400> In English xd
<luca020400> I meant
<juan210600> "Nice" and "clean" vocabulary.
<juan210600> You catch it?
<luca020400> .... I don't understand
<luca020400> No xd
<luca020400> I understand ""
<luca020400> But a bit of xd
<juan210600> Eh amego! Is part of our expressions.
<juan210600> It means Hey friend.
<luca020400> OK
<luca020400> Like in Italian
<juan210600> How is it?
<luca020400> Hey amico
<luca020400> But we use
<luca020400> Hey raga
<luca020400> Xd
<luca020400> It doesn't mean something
<juan210600> Exactly.
<luca020400> I should sleep ....So
<juan210600> Goodbye.
<luca020400> I will stay awake for another few mins xd
<juan210600> Oh.
<juan210600> XD.
<luca020400> Xd
<juan210600> Then I will stay here.
<juan210600> 2050 ms of pine.
<luca020400> No school tomorrow
<juan210600> Ping.
<juan210600> For me too.
<juan210600> New Guinness record. :-)
<luca020400> :0
<luca020400> What's your ping to ?
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<luca020400> Hi ^^
<juan210600> Google DNS?
<pyongyang> lo
<juan210600> Hi pyongyang.
<luca020400> Yea
<juan210600> How was the command? ping
<luca020400> Yea
<juan210600> On Terminal.
<luca020400> And then
<luca020400> Vol - + x
<luca020400> *Vol - + c
<luca020400> If you are on phone
<juan210600> Is nearly 500 ms of stability.
<luca020400> Lol
<luca020400> I have 36
<juan210600> But started with 11** ms.
<luca020400> Now 45~
<juan210600> Obviously i'm on phone.
<juan210600> I don't want to start my PC.
<juan210600> It will give me an error.
<luca020400> Me too
<luca020400> Why ,m
<luca020400> ?
<juan210600> "Windows can't found your monitor.
<juan210600> "
<juan210600> Or.
<luca020400> What
<luca020400> Windows ...........
<juan210600> "Windows don't remember your name"
<juan210600> "Windows want to kill you"
<juan210600> Windows 95 luca
<luca020400> Windows upgrade 1/129
<luca020400> Xd
<juan210600> Yes.
<juan210600> Windows Update fails forever for me.
<luca020400> Windows is the endless windows update process
<luca020400> Xd
<juan210600> Yes.
<juan210600> My PC= Intel i5.
<luca020400> My px
<luca020400> I5-4460
<juan210600> Nearly 1 hour with Windows Update.
<luca020400> Nearly 0 sec with arch Linux update
<luca020400> Xx
<juan210600> I don't remember my i5 model.
<juan210600> Old Pentium IV = nearly 15 mins with Xubuntu Update.
<luca020400> I bought it when I started high school
<juan210600> But is from U(Low power series).
<juan210600> Hey.
<juan210600> Me too.
<luca020400> So 06/14 ?
<luca020400> Xx
<juan210600> 01/12.
<juan210600> First secondary year.
<juan210600> *01/13.
<luca020400> In Italy high school start when you're 14 years old
<luca020400> 13/14
<juan210600> I don't knew that.
<juan210600> I'm on third.
<juan210600> Year.
<luca020400> 1st
* pyongyang crosses fingers
<luca020400> Year
<luca020400> Why ? Xd
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<juan210600> fonz was here?
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<luca020400> Yea xd
<juan210600> LOL.
<juan210600> I never noticed.
<luca020400> Was and is
<juan210600> Em... Hi fonz?.
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<luca020400> Ahhaa
<juan210600> The ghost on the machine.
<luca020400> Good night ....
<pyongyang> Good night.
<juan210600> Good night too.
<luca020400> I hope
<juan210600> 4041 ms of ping.
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<luca020400> Lol
<pyongyang> It must be like being on 56k.
<luca020400> pyongyang you're on UTC ?????
<luca020400> Xd
<pyongyang> Yeah, as in the time sense. Why?
<luca020400> Lol don't know hahah
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<luca020400> Just to know the time where you live xx
<luca020400> Good night fonz93 xd
<fonz93> good night
<luca020400> Too late here xd
<pyongyang> Meh, I'm going to stick the coffee machine on.
<luca020400> So it's morning ?
<luca020400> Xd
<pyongyang> 12:38am. Told you I was on UTC.
<luca020400> Ah lol I missed that
<luca020400> Ahshh
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<juan210600> Who needs coffee?
<luca020400> +1
<luca020400> I live coffee
<luca020400> *love
<pyongyang> Will you stop with that creepy telepath thing!
<juan210600> I can stay here all the night.
<juan210600> You don't know the IRClog?
<juan210600> Or what?
<pyongyang> I've seen logs on Daz's site. Didn't know there was a bot in here.
<luca020400> Yea there is
<juan210600> luca020400: I have some coffee here, but I don't need it.
<luca020400> You're evil
<luca020400> Botme looks better u.u
<juan210600> You are writing on dreams?
* pyongyang fetches the goatse spam script
<juan210600> *are you.
<luca020400> Whut
<juan210600> You said good night.
<juan210600> So...
<luca020400> Ah
<luca020400> Nvm
<juan210600> NVM?
<juan210600> Stupid ping.
<luca020400> *good night* really this time xd
<juan210600> Ok.
<luca020400> Brb
<juan210600> Good night for you too.
<juan210600> For all.
<luca020400> She you tomorrow
<juan210600> *today.
<luca020400> And good night to everyone ( UTC -+1
<juan210600> :P.
<luca020400> Xd
<juan210600> Then I will continue my homework.
<luca020400> Let's see TV documentary
<luca020400> Xd
<juan210600> LOL.
<luca020400> Good work juan
<luca020400> :p
<juan210600> Thanks.
<luca020400> What's are you doing ( homework )
<juan210600> And later, a movie: QoS.
<juan210600> Math.
<juan210600> Planes stuff.
<luca020400> I love math
<juan210600> Me too.
<luca020400> I love scientifics subjects
<pyongyang> Better living through chemistry...
<juan210600> Crap English, remember?
<luca020400> Geography and history
<juan210600> I have chemistry too.
<luca020400> In other words
<luca020400> I don't like Italian & Latin xd
<luca020400> I have chemistry
<pyongyang> Voce romanum?
<juan210600> Italian... On Italy?
<juan210600> LOL.
<luca020400> Yea
<juan210600> No Latin here.
<luca020400> Useless ....
<luca020400> You're lucky
<luca020400> Very lucky
<juan210600> Sure.
<luca020400> The only -6 subject
<luca020400> Xd
<juan210600> Do you have planes-related stuff?
<juan210600> If not, you are very lucky too.
<luca020400> Planes ? I don't think so xd
<juan210600> Technical school.
<luca020400> What are planes xd
<juan210600> IV Air Brigade.
<luca020400> Ah
<luca020400> No
<luca020400> Scientific high school
<juan210600> Wow.
<juan210600> Go to sleep, luca.
<luca020400> But I want switch
<juan210600> Switch?
<luca020400> School
<luca020400> Change
<luca020400> *
<juan210600> Oh.
<juan210600> To?
<pyongyang> ?
<luca020400> Informartic (? Don't know how to translate )
<luca020400> Xd
<juan210600> Oh.
<pyongyang> Information Technology?
<luca020400> Yea
<luca020400> Not really xd
<luca020400> Scientific school without Latin but with compute science ( Google translate )
<luca020400> *cumputer
<pyongyang> ^ pr0n!
<luca020400> What
<juan210600> Too much information.
<luca020400> I don't know how to translate xd
<luca020400> And new school is 40m from my house xd
<luca020400> Good night
<luca020400> Xd
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<juan210600> Hallelluyah.
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<pyongyang> lol
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<Weritos> hi
<fonz93> hi
<Weritos> The firmware CM11 fall some games
<Weritos> Can you help?
<fonz93> which games?
<fonz93> and with display-legacy or -caf?
<Weritos> shadowfight,clash of clans and other . display - legacy
<Weritos> log:
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): FATAL EXCEPTION: main
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): Process: com.nekki.shadowfight, PID: 17436
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): java.lang.IllegalStateException: This API not supported on Android 4.3 and earlier
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at android.webkit.WebViewClassic.evaluateJavaScript(WebViewClassic.java:2674)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at android.webkit.WebView.evaluateJavascript(WebView.java:905)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at com.tapjoy.TJWebViewJSInterface$LoadJSTask.onPostExecute(TJWebViewJSInterface.java:211)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at com.tapjoy.TJWebViewJSInterface$LoadJSTask.onPostExecute(TJWebViewJSInterface.java:186)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at android.os.AsyncTask.finish(AsyncTask.java:632)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at android.os.AsyncTask.access$600(AsyncTask.java:177)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at android.os.AsyncTask$InternalHandler.handleMessage(AsyncTask.java:645)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:102)
<Weritos> E/AndroidRuntime(17436): at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:136)
<fonz93> try this
<fonz93> oh wait
<fonz93> you have a webview error
<fonz93> i think you use classic webview right?
<Weritos> I use libwebcore
<fonz93> classic webview then
<fonz93> it may be caused by that
<fonz93> try chil360 commit anyway
<fonz93> but if it's a webview problem
<fonz93> it can't be fixed until you switch to display-caf and chromium webview
<luca020400> you have to switch to chromium & display caf
<Weritos> And if you compile with libwiewchromium.so and display-legacy ,Much lag does
<Weritos> To use the caf, I need to configure the kernel, but my producer did not give me the source code of the kernel, I use a precompiled kernel from producer.
<Weritos> CAF will work if you use a precompiled kernel?
<fonz93> if the kernel isn't full ION
<fonz93> you'll have problems
<fonz93> it will give you errors during display HAL build
<Weritos> I will try to solve it using your headlines
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<luca-mobile> 2260 ms ping
<Weritos> =)
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<Weritos> FUCK
<Weritos> target thumb C: dhcpcd <= external/dhcpcd/ipv6rs.c
<Weritos> Symlink: /home/weritos/android_source/cm11/out/target/product/s4503/system/bin/dump.f2fs -> /system/bin/fsck.f2fs
<Weritos> Symlink: /home/weritos/android_source/cm11/out/target/product/s4503/system/bin/fsck.exfat -> mount.exfat
<Weritos> Symlink: /home/weritos/android_source/cm11/out/target/product/s4503/system/bin/mkfs.exfat -> mount.exfat
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<Weritos> Symlink: /home/weritos/android_source/cm11/out/target/product/s4503/system/bin/su -> /system/xbin/su
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<Weritos> target thumb C++: libqdutils <= hardware/qcom/display-caf/libqdutils/display_config.cpp
<Weritos> In file included from hardware/qcom/display-caf/libqdutils/mdp_version.cpp:33:0:
<Weritos> device/dns/s4503/include/linux/msm_mdp.h:536:47: error: field 'info' has incomplete type
<Weritos> In file included from system/core/include/utils/ThreadDefs.h:22:0,
<Weritos> from system/core/include/utils/AndroidThreads.h:27,
<Weritos> from system/core/include/utils/threads.h:28,
<Weritos> from system/core/include/utils/Singleton.h:22,
<Weritos> from hardware/qcom/display-caf/libqdutils/mdp_version.h:34,
<Weritos> from hardware/qcom/display-caf/libqdutils/mdp_version.cpp:34:
<Weritos> system/core/include/system/graphics.h:23:8: error: expected unqualified-id before string constant
<Weritos> hardware/qcom/display-caf/libqdutils/mdp_version.cpp:116:2: error: expected '}' at end of input
<Weritos> hardware/qcom/display-caf/libqdutils/mdp_version.cpp:116:2: error: expected unqualified-id at end of input
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<juan210600> Hello everybody.
<juan210600> Weritos: Only by curiosity, which device do you have?
<Weritos> innos i6
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<Weritos> can you help?
<juan210600> I'm not a dev, but I think you need a kernel with caf updates for use display-caf.
<Weritos> With this problem, the manufacturer did not give the kernel sources
<juan210600> Oh, that's a great problem.
<juan210600> Sorry, but you only can use display-legacy on that case.
<luca020400-m> No kernel source --> no display caf
<Weritos> life is pain =(
<Weritos> A source from a similar smartphone?
<Weritos> At the same time ready to use your zlmage, will work?
<luca020400-m> Maybe you can use prebuilt zimage and a similar kernel tree for headers
<Weritos> I understand you need to update the kernel source?
<luca020400-m> I don't know . Try to use y300 lp tree for headers
<luca020400-m> And stock zimage
<luca020400-m> As I remember it has same speech as y300
<luca020400-m> Camera too ??
<Weritos> Smartphone innos i6
<luca020400-m> I know I remember when I was helping you xd
<Weritos> camera works
<luca020400-m> Grear
<luca020400-m> How you fixed it ?
<Weritos> helped Dazzozo
<luca020400-m> Grear
<luca020400-m> Ah I remember niw
<luca020400-m> *now
<luca020400-m> Hexedit :p
<Weritos> Yes =)
<Weritos> is this?
<juan210600> I don't think our device tree will work.
<juan210600> But try.
<juan210600> Yes, it is.
<Weritos> Since I do not have the kernel source folder include from y300 only option with legacy
<luca020400-m> github.com/SlimLPY300
<luca020400-m> Check for kernel :)
<luca020400-m> 404
<luca020400-m> Xd
<juan210600> 4725 ms of ping.
<luca020400-m> Nu
<luca020400-m> I was 3000 today
<juan210600> What happened with SlimLP Y300 source???
<luca020400-m> I don't kniw
<luca020400-m> It should be the correct GH page xd
<luca020400-m> chil360 ?
<juan210600> Oof.
<luca020400-m> Lol -
<Weritos> XD
<juan210600> You scared me.
<luca020400-m> Hahah
<luca020400-m> I love xda wars
<luca020400-m> Hahaha
<juan210600> XDA wars?
<luca020400-m> OK, here's the thing. Klander your first message here is totally unnecessary, seriously no point, did u even thought 2 min before posting it. Freaking EGO of people in here is freaking me out. Everyone want to see who has the largest dick. Stop it and work together like luk and Luca did. Oh and if did say something to Luca of sabermod good for you, you helped him. That's a good thing people do for other people. Usually when you help someone you make it
<luca020400-m> <br />
<luca020400-m> Y si querés te lo escribo en español. Metanse el ego en un buen lugar del cuerpo.<br/>
<luca020400-m> How the last one ended
<luca020400-m> Xd
<juan210600> Hahahahaha
<luca020400-m> Yea
<juan210600> What happened?
<luca020400-m> Xd
<luca020400-m> APK Optimizations - Taking Requests!
<luca020400-m> APK Optimizations - Taking Requests!
<luca020400-m> Check
<Weritos> u8833_defconfig
<Weritos> this configuration?
<juan210600> APK optimization? LOL.
<luca020400> wait
<luca020400> can you link me github source tree ?
<juan210600> Waiting...
<juan210600> Waiting...
<luca020400> xd
<juan210600> Waiting...
<luca020400> Windows Upgrade 1/10
<luca020400> :p
<luca020400> I won
<juan210600> Waiting...
<juan210600> XD.
<luca020400> bo weritos one
<luca020400> xd
<luca020400> *no
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<juan210600> Stupid ping.
<luca020400> No
<luca020400> xd
<Weritos> how to check the ping?
<juan210600> AndroIRC.
<luca020400> andoidirc feature
<juan210600> Yep.
<luca020400> or a bot
<juan210600> Why you said "our"?
<juan210600> You have a Moto G 2014.
<luca020400> xd
<juan210600> :P
<luca020400> I still have Y300 :p
<juan210600> I don't know what I should do with my Y300.
<juan210600> Maybe I will give it to my father.
<juan210600> Or I will sell it.
<juan210600> But who will bought a Y300?
<luca020400> hmmmmmm
<luca020400> nobody
<luca020400> give it to your father ( like me )
<luca020400> xd
<luca020400> *like I did
<juan210600> XD.
<juan210600> He will destroy it.
<juan210600> He destroyed a Motorola WX290.
<luca020400> how
<luca020400> xd
<juan210600> I don't know how.
<juan210600> He broke the screen cover, and removed the drivers.
<luca020400> I was going to broke the Y300 screen
<juan210600> With a hammer.
<juan210600> XD.
<luca020400> He made flight of 5 meters and felt on the asphalt
<juan210600> Wow.
<juan210600> How????
<luca020400> It was in my jacketù
<luca020400> xd
<luca020400> *jacket
<juan210600> LOL.
<luca020400> and somehow I launched it xd
<juan210600> Wait. I will check actual Moto G 2014 prices.
<luca020400> I broke the corner at the bottom right
<juan210600> Wow.
<juan210600> I have a cover, so this phone will never broke I think.
<luca020400> I hate covers
<luca020400> xd
<juan210600> Mmm... Prices are still high. :/
<luca020400> because is a great phone :p
<juan210600> Yep.
<juan210600> And all are dual-SIM here.
<juan210600> IDK why.
<juan210600> For what I will use the second slot?
<luca020400> who care
<juan210600> 6 percent of battery.
<luca020400> xd
<juan210600> Wait, I will connect to a car battery.
<juan210600> 30 days of autonomy.
<luca020400> xd
<luca020400> a bad thing about moto g 2014
<juan210600> What you will do when you battery broke?
<luca020400> :nothing:
<luca020400> send to motorola
<juan210600> Non-removable battery.
<juan210600> :/
<luca020400> send to motorola
<luca020400> again
<juan210600> But I still like it.
<luca020400> 2 speakers :3
<Weritos> STOP Flood XD
<juan210600> Motorola --> One month without phone.
<luca020400> why xd
<juan210600> Weritos: What?
<luca020400> both
<luca020400> but why flood
<luca020400> xd
<Weritos> How can I upgrade the kernel sources to build CAF ??
<juan210600> What kernel sources?
<luca020400> check chil360 patched :p
<luca020400> *patches
<Weritos> limk
<Weritos> link*
<luca020400> yt time bye
<luca020400> xd
<juan210600> chil360 kernel is already updated.
<Weritos> I do not need 5.0
<Weritos> CM11
<luca020400> should be the same
<juan210600> Is kk branch code.
<juan210600> It will work.
<juan210600> In theory.
<luca020400> This one
<luca020400> same commits anyway
<juan210600> But what kernel source you will upgrade?
<Weritos> innos d9
<juan210600> Similar to i6?
<Weritos> Smartphones are very similar
<Weritos> The only difference in the frequency of the CPU, and touch sreen
<luca020400> diff touchscrenn -> bad thing
<Weritos> Well headers suitable for KK and legacy
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<juan210600> Hi again.
<juan210600> Crappy router.
<luca020400> xd
<juan210600> And connection.
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<Weritos> ЧВ
<Weritos> XD
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<juan210600> You have to be kidding me.
<luca020400> why
<juan210600> Disconnected again.
<juan210600> I will check my OpenWRT installation.
<juan210600> Maybe is that.
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<juan210600> Mobile network.
<juan210600> I'm saved.
<Weritos> use
<luca020400> for headers
<juan210600> I will do my homework, cya later guys.
<Weritos> Compiled, the whole question will it work?
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<luca020400> who know
<luca020400> xd
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<fonz93> hello
<Weritos> hi
<Weritos> CAF failed to compile, you need the kernel sources, which are not
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<juan210600> Hello again everybody.
<Weritos> dlopen failed: could not load library "liboverlay.so" needed by "hwcomposer.msm7x27a.so"; caused by could not load library "libmemalloc.so" needed by "liboverlay.so"; caused by cannot locate symbol "_ZN7android9SingletonIN7qdutils17QCCompositionTypeEE5sLockE" referenced by "libmemalloc.so"
<luca020400> xd
<Weritos> attempt to launch a caf
<luca020400> hexedit is coming xd
<luca020400> and update egl libs from nokia x
<Weritos> this is done
<Weritos> you are using the CAF used hexedit?
<juan210600> CAf with hexedit? LOL.
<Weritos> XD
<luca020400> I don't know xd
<juan210600> You compiled our kernel for you device?
<Weritos> Use only the headlines
<juan210600> Then you are stuck on display-legacy.
<juan210600> Then compile CM 10.1.
<juan210600> JB 4.2.2
<juan210600> Better than nothing.
<Weritos> I have a display-legacy
<juan210600> I know.
<juan210600> display-legacy works better on 4.2 and above. On 4.3+ it works but with a lot of hacks.
<juan210600> And it doesn't work properly.
<juan210600> Someone is still here?
<Weritos> yes
<juan210600> What you will do?
<luca020400> no
<juan210600> No?
<luca020400> <juan210600> --> no
<luca020400> * Someone is still here?
<juan210600> Then... What are you?
<juan210600> The ghost on the machine?
<luca020400> yea
<juan210600> XD
<juan210600> 4496 ms of ping.
<juan210600> Weritos: Will you continue CM11 for you device?
<Weritos> I have work on CM11 Legacy, but some games take off
<juan210600> CM11 legacy, good name!
<Weritos> What do the libs from Nokia xb
<Weritos> What do the libs from Nokia x? *
<juan210600> Are more updated and more clean.
<juan210600> *They are
<juan210600> What's working and what isn't on your CM11 build?
<Weritos> everything works
<juan210600> Wow.
<Weritos> Except for some games
<juan210600> You are on the same situation than our Y300.
<juan210600> 3D games?
<Weritos> Yes 3D games
<juan210600> Well, not bad anyway. Good work.
<juan210600> You added Nokia X libs?
<Weritos> There are no
<juan210600> There are no? What?
<Weritos> Only assembly caf, which does not work
<juan210600> Oh.
<Weritos> in Legacy had not yet
<juan210600> Can you say me your Adreno's GPU model number?
<Weritos> The same as in the y300
<Weritos> Adrenoo 203
<juan210600> Try with updated libs.
<juan210600> They are fron JB.
<juan210600> *from
<juan210600> But they are more updated.
<Weritos> ok
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<juan210600> Hi.
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<codename13> this noob is back, anyone know a 3.0.x kernel that uses the latest ION and GPU drivers, or whatever is needed to use them Adreno 2xx libraries from the Qcom S3's KitKat update?
<luca020400> Samsung phones
<luca020400> Check Cristopher83
<codename13> Thx
<codename13> Also, what's the difference between kernel/samsung and kernel/msm in the Code Aurora git ?
<codename13> Is the kernel/samsung repository for Qcom samsung devices, because the ICS branch of kernel/samsung there is the same kernel version as my Samsung device's stock kernel
<luca020400> Msm --> Google ?
<codename13> Oh, so the MSM kernel repo is the one used by Google? Do you know what the Samsung kernel repo is for?
<codename13> Like, are all the kernel repos in the CAF git meant for Qcom devices/chipsets?
<luca020400> I never looked at caf kernels
<codename13> Cause I'm thinking of diffing the changes between some branches of one of those repos and I'm gonna try to patch my stock kernel to the higher branch
<codename13> I thought CAF was better, more optimized and bug-fixed?
<luca020400> What's your device ?
<luca020400> I don't know if 3.0 kernel had updates
<codename13> Samsung Galaxy Ace II X (GT-S7560M is the thing to search for, heck just search for S7560M)
<codename13> What do you mean "if 3.0 kernel had updates"?
<codename13> BTW, I'm Codename13 on Github and XDA
<codename13> And reddit too, if you wish to stalk me
<luca020400> I don't know if caf provide 3.0 kernel support
<luca020400> And maybe you're kernel is better than caf one
<codename13> CAF has many branches that are on 3.0.x, like branches for ICS and JB
<codename13> But they also have 3.4.x too
<luca020400> Kernel have ION ?
<codename13> Not really. Someone ported a vanilla 3.0.8 kernel from CAF to our device though, and I managed to boot it with (legacy) ION after configuring the board file.
<codename13> The kernel is quite old, so there's no msm_ion.h and msm_kgsl.h says the KGSL version is something like 3.8
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