<FrankPetrilli>
whyrusleeping: I keep trying to hit Ctrl+N to step to the next buffer and I hit Ctrl+J. :P
<whyrusleeping>
haha, weechat and tmux?
<whyrusleeping>
or is that screen
<FrankPetrilli>
Tmux... I'm slowly stepping away from screen.
<FrankPetrilli>
I've been using screen for a lot of years, but tmux has better resume and multi-client support...
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<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, i'm a die hard byobu fan whose been slowly succumbing to the tmux craze
<FrankPetrilli>
I'm getting used to it slowly... The best thing for me is the status bar by default showing all the buffers I have open. Still trying to figure out how to alert better for highlights / PMs...
<whyrusleeping>
ehhh... just use glowing bear
* whyrusleeping
is a total sellout
<FrankPetrilli>
Interesting... Yeah, the level of abstraction I'm running on my primary box (mRemoteNG(SSH)->DigitalOcean VM->tmux->weechat) loses some nice bits like notifications.
<whyrusleeping>
yeap
<whyrusleeping>
i've got byobu in a weechat on my ramnode vps
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<whyrusleeping>
and then i'm using glowing bear in a brower on my laptop to connect to it
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<FrankPetrilli>
Okay, this is much better. Thank you so much for pointing me Glowing Bear's way.
<whyrusleeping>
no probs, i think its the best free way to use irc
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now pinning /ipfs/QmYGtdYa6iZuypJaVCSGADrf7UKEykjWv7BTQugDmsk9J3
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<kythyria[m]>
Does IPFS have a mechanism equivalent to the thing where web servers will return a particular file if you try and GET a directory?
<whyrusleeping>
kythyria[m]: the gateway will return an index.html if you GET a directory containing one
<whyrusleeping>
try making a directory with an index.html in it, add the directory to ipfs, and view the hash in your local gateway
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<substack>
`ipfs pin add HASH` always hangs on my machine. is this a known issue?
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<substack>
using 0.4.5-dev and it also did this on 0.4.4
<substack>
hmm I guess it could be doing some cpu heavy stuff
<substack>
because I am pinning the peermaps db, so this may be an exceptional data point
<kythyria[m]>
whyrusleeping: Ahh, thanks. Is that specified or just a "the default implementation does this" thing? (I was thinking of applications where a bundle of files needs a readme or other description you might want to view first before giving the hash to an application that understands the bundle)
<whyrusleeping>
substack: yeah... we've been noticing that for very large datasets
<whyrusleeping>
I merged a fix today actually
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<whyrusleeping>
kythyria[m]: thats just what our gateway code does
<nicolagreco>
is it 5 bytes per object or per link?
<nicolagreco>
daviddias: ^
<Kubuxu>
nicolagreco: I think per link
<kythyria[m]>
It'll be per link.
<Kubuxu>
because overhead will be map description
<Kubuxu>
and element description
<Kubuxu>
which totals 6 bytes
<Kubuxu>
+ the link
<Kubuxu>
in case of tag
<Kubuxu>
it will be just element description + the link
<Kubuxu>
not 6 but 8 or something
<nicolagreco>
thanks, it must have been per link, I needed to double check
<daviddias>
nicolagreco: per link
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<nicolagreco>
daviddias: I was trying to understand whether your second point could be mitigated
<nicolagreco>
if we use the cbor-tag, then the cbor parser would still parse it properly
<nicolagreco>
you would have to run a special cbor-to-json script to convert it
<daviddias>
nicolagreco: our cbor-parser
<daviddias>
not every cbor parser, if it doesn't have the knowledge of the tag
<nicolagreco>
in between ipfs dag get <cid> | cbor | cbor-to-json | json -someKey
<daviddias>
a generic cbor parser will just go 'I dunno what this is'
<kythyria[m]>
And emit a string, yes?
<nicolagreco>
oh I see, so unknown tags can't be used? strange
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<kythyria[m]>
They can be used but IIRC will be ignored.
<nicolagreco>
but at that stage we "could", not saying that that is a great idea
<nicolagreco>
we could make a special cbor parser
<nicolagreco>
ipld-cbor so that we achieve what you wanted to achieve via command lien
<kythyria[m]>
So if you have the cbor for `{"foo": <tag-ipld-path> "/foo/bar"}` a generic reader will, AFAIK, treat that as `{"foo": "/foo/bar"}`
<nicolagreco>
a generic cbor parser would still continue to parse, right?
<nicolagreco>
alright, but a good parser should notify the developer that there is a tag there
<nicolagreco>
otherwise what are tags made for?
<nicolagreco>
if that is not the case ^, then we need better cbor parsers
<kythyria[m]>
Yeh. A CBOR-specific API should still show the tag, but converting to json will mangle the data.
<nicolagreco>
I see what you are saying now
<nicolagreco>
so let me reframe this conversation so we have a common vocabulary
<nicolagreco>
there is an ipld object that can have a cbor and a json representation
<nicolagreco>
in way number one, the cbor and the json representation are identical
<nicolagreco>
in way number two, they are different
<nicolagreco>
but they are still the same ipld object
<nicolagreco>
regardless of whether they have a '/' or not
<nicolagreco>
the only issue in way number two, is that converting across formats needs knowledge of IPLD
<nicolagreco>
which might be difficult for a developer that is not using an IPLD library to parse and traverse data
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<nicolagreco>
or to create and modify json or cbor objects in their raw format
<nicolagreco>
I would like to think about all the ipld representations as something that are only touchable via an ipld library
<nicolagreco>
since some future formats might be impossible to edit in their raw representation
<nicolagreco>
or in some cases it would not make sense to have a `/` extra key/value
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<daviddias>
"nicolagreco> oh I see, so unknown tags can't be used? strange" Not necessarily strange. If you require a schema to parse something, then something can't parse it without the schema.
<nicolagreco>
Ok, here the question is: do we want anyone to read raw cbor or only clients that know that that cbor should be read in the ipld way
<daviddias>
We can definitely create the dag-cbor parser for all the languages and tell people 'use these only'
<daviddias>
but that is added complexity, and that is what I'm trying to surface :)
<nicolagreco>
yes yes, it is clear now
<nicolagreco>
I needed to distill what is the fundamental question
<nicolagreco>
does what I ask above make sense?
<daviddias>
nicolagreco: can you post that as a question on github? I feel that by forcing ourselves to use Github, it will be like email, everytime a question is made it will have more examples because we will know the RTT are longer
<daviddias>
I'm tempted to say that your question makes sense
<daviddias>
but I'm also afraid that I might be missing something that you are saying
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<nicolagreco>
daviddias: of course, I was actually typing the question as we are chatting here
<nicolagreco>
I wanted to make sure I had made my mind
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<nicolagreco>
on what to write!
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<papalino>
hi there
<papalino>
anybody for a chat?
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<daviddias>
nicolagreco got it :)
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<xelra>
What is the state of private networks? Does the PSK version work already? Can I already use that?
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<xelra>
Kubuxu: I think something might be wrong with your package on the AUR. When I try to install it with pacaur, I get "go-ipfs-git package(s) failed to install. Check .SRCINFO for mismatching data with PKGBUILD."
<Kubuxu>
xelra: Are you using pacaur?
<Kubuxu>
I also observed it.
<Kubuxu>
It works with fresh build
<xelra>
Yes, I'm using pacaur. "fresh build"?
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<Kubuxu>
Have you built this package before? If yes try removing it from the cache. I will try looking into it latter today
<xelra>
Strange, I've just ran "pacaur -y go-ipfs-git" again, 5 minutes later. And now it succeeded.
<xelra>
I've run that command twice on a clean system. The first time it failed, the second time it succeeded.
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<xelra>
Kubuxu: Maybe the problem has something to do with that on my system it installed "go-ipfs-git-0.4.5dev.r166.ga90c50895-1", but in the PKGBUILD it has version "0.4.5dev.r327.g6779ff1". Isn't that already a higher version than what pkgver() evaluated?
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<A124>
Is jad-darrous@github.com around here?
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<A124>
Does ipfs-js work well on phones? Also if one would like to do discovery based on name of data entry, not hash, what system would be best used?
<A124>
ipns, orbit? something else?
<A124>
The scenario I'm looking for is for sharing knowledge, offline first, neighbor first.
<richardlitt>
Or anyone, really; how do you get a hash that you've added before, without knowing the hash itself and without re-adding the data? https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/217
<A124>
flyingzumwalt I can help, what is needed?
<flyingzumwalt>
A124 chime in on the github issue. mejackreed is the main one working on this. I'm just finding people to help.
<flyingzumwalt>
richard - yes. I'll reply to their question.
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<A124>
Jack is not here? Also the issue is pretty much incomprehensible.
<A124>
Talks about that we got metadata, then the link to the naive downloader talks about getting metadata.
<richardlitt>
Thank you, flyingzumwalt
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* kythyria[m]
frowns at go-ipfs assuming ~/.ipfs is a good place to put its repository even on on Windows, where %LOCALAPPDATA%/ipfs or %APPDATA%/ipfs would be more suitable.
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<deltab>
I don't think it's a great place even on linux
<kythyria[m]>
(the latter may be a network drive, the former generally won't)
<flyingzumwalt>
A124 there are layers of metadata. It's an iterative process. The first round of metadata is a starting point, with pointers to all of the individual datasets. They are now working on retrieving the detailed metadata about each dataset, with info about size, etc.
<deltab>
one problem is it's part cache, part permanent storage, part config
<kythyria[m]>
deltab: Indeed. Although even Microsoft don't always take their own advice on this.
<flyingzumwalt>
A124 I can encourage jack to join the #ipfs channel. I think he tends to hang out elsewhere.
<kythyria[m]>
I'm not sure if Windows has a distinction of that kind, though it does have the distinction of "should this be visible from other machines"
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<Mateon1>
richardlitt: Regarding losing added hashes, I wanted to create a thing that iterated over all hashes in the datastore and printed root hashes. I never really got to it, because there seemed to be issues with ipfs refs local (or pin ls), I don't remember exactly
<Mateon1>
Okay, ipfs refs local works perfectly atm, the issue is ipfs pin ls, with large pinsets, it never finishes (in a reasonable timeframe)
<Mateon1>
Why is it even trying to parse the pinned objects?
<Mateon1>
or their CIDs
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<Mateon1>
By the way, what's the progress on updating go-cid's multibase, and bubbling up? It would be extremely useful for me right now, lol
<lgierth>
flyingzumwalt: if jack can give me a few addresses that i can just wget, i can download about 12 TB -- i don't have time to set up tooling though
<lgierth>
and i can order a few more storage boxes
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<dignifiedquire>
argh another module to implement rust-multicodec
<lgierth>
do you already have rust-multigram?
<dignifiedquire>
no
<lgierth>
and rust-multivitamin?
<lgierth>
j/k
<dignifiedquire>
I only have rusty-multivatmin
<lgierth>
that works too
<flyingzumwalt>
lgierth cool. based in the discussion the GH issue they are still working on generating the list of URLs to wget. I suspect that they will hit a point where they just need a lot of processes running wget in parallel. He might just use virtual machines to to that.
<flyingzumwalt>
lgierth I think the "need more storage real fast" is no longer blocking the initial download.
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<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: i see you found another windows bug, lol
<Mateon1>
Judging by the error, not just Windows related
<Mateon1>
Unless you mean the slow repo stat thing
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, that one
<Mateon1>
Ah, right
<Mateon1>
Right now I'm making a quick and dirty base converter, cause there exist no useful base converters online apparently
<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: only downside of the fix is that it may change the hash of some things you've added in the meantime
<whyrusleeping>
i'll have the tool print out the changes its making
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<lgierth>
flyingzumwalt: also make a multihash column in the list :)
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<A124>
Is here anyone mirroring wikipedia dumps on ipfs?
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<Mateon1>
I tried to, but Wikipedia is a massive mess of XML that's hard to parse
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<Mateon1>
And there's not really any use in just sharing the massive database file by itself
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<lgierth>
sure there is
<lgierth>
makes it easier for others to fetch it
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<A124>
Mateon1 Actually take an example: The dump xml. It is multimember bzip2 file, so blocks can be made at the boundaries, then representing that as separate files.
<Mateon1>
Eh, but is that useful for somebody using that data?
<A124>
So with some more meta, it makes fetching articles viable without HTTP Range requests.
<Mateon1>
Data is useless if nobody can use it :P
<Mateon1>
Eh, you'd have to write the metadata somehow, then
<A124>
Yeah, it kinda is. I'm thinking about transform, but also compression.
<A124>
I tried to find software good for offline use. You got to create your own dataset or you are done using whole set, or nothing.
<A124>
So the idea is use offline cache, neighbors, and that finely fits with IPFS. Also smart compression so there is balance of compression ratio and number of fragments.
<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: So i wrote some code that fixes the unrecognized object type thing
<whyrusleeping>
i've only tested it on my machine on one repo
<whyrusleeping>
no guarantees it won't delete all your blocks or something, but if you want to try it, i'd recommend backing up your ipfs repo first
<whyrusleeping>
Anyone else seeing the unrecognized object issue and want to try out the tool?
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<lgierth>
flyingzumwalt: nevermind -- meant the list of stuff to download -- if people have downloaded something, they can check of and add a multihash, so that others can verify it
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<lgierth>
once everything is downloaded, it makes sense to download it again somewhere else, and compare hashes
<flyingzumwalt>
ooh. that's a great idea.
<lgierth>
given it's still available
<flyingzumwalt>
especially sine we're publishing the code used to crawl it.
<lgierth>
maybe the metadata in some datasets contains hashes, then that step would be unneccessary
<flyingzumwalt>
Can you add an issue in ipfs/archives suggesting that? I'll follow up and get it added to the workflow.
<flyingzumwalt>
This is related to a bigger suggestion jbenet made, where downloaders sign their downloads with a self-certified key
<flyingzumwalt>
It's a good side-conversation either way. Part of what we're aiming to do here is to model the _right_ way to decentralize stuff. Publishing the hashes and signing them is super important.