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<exa_>
hi all, is there a roadmap for the js-libp2p dht?
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<exa_>
i see that there are the -kad-routing and -kad-record-store modules, but these only address some of the overall requirements, and it seems that the record store depends on the (deprecated) js-merkledag-store
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<kpcyrd>
I think I've rediscovered this bug: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/1537 all my ipfs containers are dead and refuse to start due to `Error: ipfs daemon is running. please stop it to run this command`
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<Kubuxu_>
kpcyrd: `ipfs repo fsck`
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<Kubuxu>
whyrusleeping: op pls
<whyrusleeping>
Kubuxu: log into freenode chanserv
<Kubuxu>
right it didn't autoconnect me as I have not set up the alias
<bios_>
please tell me whether end-user applications to work with ipfs
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<Kubuxu>
whyrusleeping: does graphana work for you?
<whyrusleeping>
not commonly
<whyrusleeping>
i would have to first get cjdns running again
<Kubuxu>
one of gateways seems down
<Kubuxu>
104.236.76.40
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<bios_>
why in the admin interface ipfs local address. does not remove files added to ipfs. ? just updated the page and everything. files I added directly through the same interface
<whyrusleeping>
bios_: it for some reason has a bug where it can only remove files added through it or something
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<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, i've considered doing the one-byte-read thing
<Kubuxu>
let's just fork go :p
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<whyrusleeping>
i wanted to do that yesterday to add a fuzzer to the goroutine scheduler
<whyrusleeping>
basically i want to make the 'select next goroutine to run' choice be randomized
<whyrusleeping>
and also put a random time delay on goroutines even being added to the list
<whyrusleeping>
it would help immensely with flushing out random race conditions
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<whyrusleeping>
also, while going down that route, i'd love to make the scheduler of a given program run reproducible
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<Mateon1>
Yeah... Making the scheduler deterministic is essentially impossible
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<whyrusleeping>
not really, its a state machine
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<whyrusleeping>
and given a program run, there are a certain number of inputs to that, and a certain order to the executions
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<Mateon1>
The program can run slower or faster depending on CPU usage, CPU throttle, interrupts, waiting for IO, and all of that affects when Go is given CPU time by the OS
<whyrusleeping>
not the OS scheduler, but go's goroutine scheduler
<Kubuxu>
in real world for the most part it runs in the same way
<whyrusleeping>
think like using gcc with cross-thread breakpoints for synchronization
<Kubuxu>
this is why fuzzer makes sense
<whyrusleeping>
like, a combination of a code coverage tracker system combined with branch markers to feed into the relative ordering of things being run
<Mateon1>
Still, wouldn't that be nondeterministic either way? You can't tell when a network request will finish, so if on one run it finished within 1 second, and the scheduler gave that goroutine CPU time, but another time the network request finished in 10s, that could not work the same.
<Kubuxu>
it would be nondeterministic
<Kubuxu>
but under the condition that was made before, for the most part 90% we observer the test run the same way
<Kubuxu>
like whyrusleeping was debugging race bug, switching those 90% to replicate the bug would be useful
<whyrusleeping>
networking would be hard, but it would essentially have to block everything until that request comes back
<whyrusleeping>
but yeah, i'm ideally interested in non-networking types of bugs
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<whyrusleeping>
and non user input
<whyrusleeping>
etc
<Mateon1>
So, it would only be feasible for nano-scale tests?
<whyrusleeping>
not quite 'nano' scale
<whyrusleeping>
but yes, smaller tests on a single computer
<whyrusleeping>
you *could* do it on the large scale
<whyrusleeping>
but any machine we're interacting with via the network needs to also be managed by the same system
<Kubuxu>
so under the condition that the random delays are constant for given GoSched call it would be possible
<Mateon1>
Still, not deterministic even if you block on networking, cause network requests can be either successful or not
<Kubuxu>
deterministic is 100%, you won't get 100% for sure
<whyrusleeping>
they won't fail if we control both sides
<Mateon1>
Well, they can still timeout
<whyrusleeping>
not if we control the mechanism that handles the timeouts
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<Mateon1>
And if everything blocks on a network request, it will timeout occasionally, guaranteed.
<whyrusleeping>
we're essentially controlling time
<Mateon1>
Eh, at that point it seems way too complex
<Kubuxu>
it is about fuzzing and some fuzz giving you higher chance for failure
<Kubuxu>
that is how I see it
<Kubuxu>
and because you get higher chance of failure it is easier to track and debug
<whyrusleeping>
well, yeah, we're talking about two different things now Kubuxu
<Mateon1>
It would be easier to rewrite IPFS in Rust, Haskell, Python, Java and 10 other languages than to write a scheduler this complex
<Kubuxu>
I know
<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: yeah, probably.
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<gts>
is there a timeline for stable or beta releases?
<whyrusleeping>
gts: we're aiming to do a beta release this year
<gts>
cool
<gts>
is there anyone testing in a massive scale?
<whyrusleeping>
gts: we're starting to ramp up our large scale testing, but nothing huge from us yet
<whyrusleeping>
(tests with maybe 10k nodes or so)
<gts>
ah
<whyrusleeping>
open bazaar might be testing larger networks
<gts>
that's cool
<gts>
cheers
<gts>
i hosted a sample site and it was so simple
<gts>
i'm just skeptical how you guys are going to deal with copyright stuff.
<gts>
gotta be tough
<whyrusleeping>
gts: its roughly the same as the current web
<whyrusleeping>
there are issues in the faq that address this pretty good if youre interested
<whyrusleeping>
but i'm going to get some food, be back in a bit
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<gts>
tc
<gts>
sure
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<bios_>
what is the beauty project?
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<whyrusleeping>
huh, dht bootstrapping shouldnt be random
<whyrusleeping>
we should always try to bootstrap to peers 'near' us in the keyspace
<pjz>
Clearly you should rewrite ipfs in python and use Grumpy to turn it into go :)
* pjz
ducks flying tomatoes.
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<achin>
tomatoes don't hurt enough. we use potatoes here
<whyrusleeping>
bios_: if we spent all our time answering the same question for every new person who asks it, we would have no time left over to actually write code. The faq is there to serve as a place for people to find answers to frequently asked questions.
<bios_>
ok
<google77>
you are right, don't waste too much time on what is already answered in the faq
<Kubuxu>
I personally prefer UEFI.
<google77>
I don't because secure boot :P
<muvlon>
The "I" in UEFI is for Interface
<muvlon>
A bios can implement UEFI
<muvlon>
but it's still a bios :^)
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<google77>
I saw a laptop with UEFI that just refused to start GRUB for some reason.
<google77>
so, which modules are coming next on IPFS?
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<bios_>
ipfs files rm ... and then what write? always answered file does not exist
<Mateon1>
ipfs files is a virtual file system, you can do `ipfs files cp /ipfs/<hash> /path/to/file` and it will keep a reference
<Mateon1>
You are looking for `ipfs pin rm <hash>`
<Mateon1>
So, ipfs pin rm QmUZbpZD1Rk24ZGRVNzuRTTCnL4zNknnH2ubGdWpi4sNhU
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<bios_>
great. thanks
<bios_>
I understand it's not for ordinary users. only the developers
<bios_>
home to me is worthlessness. thanks
<google77>
ipfs is still in alpha, so yes, the whole thing is for devs
<google77>
I am however excited about IPFS.
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<bios_>
sorry to have wasted Your time. the idea is beautiful to practice is still far.I hope someday my children will be able to take advantage of it.Good Luck To You
<google77>
bios_ You weren't a bother TBH. You just forgot to read the FAQ, which everyone forgets occasionally. Have a nice day and good luck.
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<jkilpatr>
can you make a chain of objects in ipfs? as in you bootstrap to one, the next entry points to the next entry before it exists, such that you could have lets say a list of package files you put in ipfs and users follow the chain of objects to find the latest list of package files.
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<Boomerang>
jkilpatr: I don't think you can since it's not possible to know the hash of the next entry in advance. What you can do is the opposite, link to the previous entry and create some kind of linked list. Then you could use IPNS to always point at the latest entry, the head of your linked list.
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<kumavis[m]1>
nicola greco - wanted to join the ipld call to report on my ethereum ipld format progress but had an overlapping meeting
<kumavis[m]1>
nicolagreco: ^
<kumavis[m]1>
was anything discussed? notes are empty
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<whyrusleeping>
kumavis[m]1: we didnt have the ipld call today
<whyrusleeping>
nicola was traveling today, and the rest of the team was busy
<whyrusleeping>
we're also postponing mondays sprint meetings
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<mattt_>
Hi all. Not sure if this is the appropriate place to post this or not, but I'm an investor looking for one or two ipfs focused engineers to co-found a video streaming company. If this sounds like something you are interested in, please pm me. Thanks
<whyrusleeping>
mattt_: sounds interesting :) We had an issue somewhere talking about 'ipfs related job boards'
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<google77>
phorse how much would it help if I rephrased some of my questions into 'How important do you think XY is?'. I am making such a poll for the first time, so thank you for your time.
<phorse>
If you're trying to figure out how the IPFS implementation works and what potential future applications there might be, a survey might not be the best tool
<phorse>
you might want to just read the docs and the code, and do some brainstorming
<phorse>
who are you planning to survey?
<google77>
phorse The general public, with a portion of IT/CS educated people.
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<google77>
With the poll, I wanted to see if there is any interest for it.
<google77>
But OK, I am not too proud to drop the poll.
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<google77>
The poll would have been just a small subsection of my paper.