<Captain_Beezay>
Dns is struggling to fix lack of authentication,etc... I personally would be very appreciative of any method that authenticates "this hash is really this file name published by this user" . But I can understand leaving that part to other applications and/or the user.
<SchrodingersScat>
it's pretty neat
<Captain_Beezay>
Integrity != authentication. Maybe it really is best for stuff running on top of ipfs to do that tidbit. But imho it would be awesome if ipfs at least allowed and standardized signatures
<Captain_Beezay>
Maybe a field for ecdsa sig
<Captain_Beezay>
Optional of course
<Captain_Beezay>
Just to stop people from inventing a million messed up ways of doing the same thing
<achin>
is dnssec not sufficient?
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<Captain_Beezay>
Anyway,ty for your help. Bbl
<SchrodingersScat>
depends on the concern?
<Captain_Beezay>
achin: how does that relate to ipfs(and no,it's pretty much a fail for dns itself,although that's debatable)
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<Captain_Beezay>
Namecoin is nice but has a long way to go.
<Captain_Beezay>
Bbiab
<SchrodingersScat>
damn I had some namecoin somewhere, /me checks his pockets
<achin>
you can store TXT records that point to an ipfs hash. if you are positive the ifps hash is correct, then you're golden, since you can always use it to validate the data you download via ipfs
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<achin>
so the dns-to-hash link seems to be the weakest, and i'm wondering if dnssec fully hardens that link, or if there is something else to consider
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<SchrodingersScat>
if you're worried they compromised dns, then why aren't you worried they compromised their ipfs?
<achin>
because i can always detect compromised ipfs data
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<Captain_Beezay>
Let's say gnu has a gcc package on ipfs. The concern is 'is this the gcc copy gnu published?' vs 'this is a malicious ipfs link that tricked the user to use a backdoored gcc.'
<SchrodingersScat>
they could sign the hash of the file?
<SchrodingersScat>
and...and then upload that to ipfs?
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<achin>
another way to look at this is: if you found an ipfs hash on https://gcc.gnu.org/ that claimed to be the latest release of the compiler, would you doubt it?
<SchrodingersScat>
I think he's saying 'yes' but I'll hold for initiative
<whyrusleeping>
achin: got any repos you wanna try testing the new migrations code on?
<SchrodingersScat>
will my old data not work unless i migrate it and pray?
<achin>
whyrusleeping: sorry, not handy. my NAS holding my ipfs repo has been destroying disks, so it's offline at the moment. but i'm happy to create a new ipfs repo, add a few gigs of data, and then try to migrate if you think that's helpful
<whyrusleeping>
its not really that risky of an operation, theres just a couple small things that could go wrong potentially, and there are manual ways to fix them if they do
<whyrusleeping>
achin: i've done that much already, i'm just trying to find edge cases :)
<whyrusleeping>
older repos that might be weird
<achin>
i have an old version 3 repo around. is that any use to you?
<achin>
(not exactly sure when it was created; is there a way for me to tell?)
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<achin>
whyrusleeping: point me to the migration code and i'll give it a shot on this old things
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<whyrusleeping>
version three might be interesting
<achin>
it says this: Found fs-repo version 0 at /nas/achin/ipfs Do you want to upgrade this to version 3? [y/n]
<achin>
yet /nas/achin/ipfs doesn't exist
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<SchrodingersScat>
ghost ipfs
<achin>
uh, hang on. i might not be running your PR
<achin>
that's embarassing. sorry, hasn't checked out your actuall commit
<whyrusleeping>
lol
<achin>
ok, that seemed to work
<achin>
took maybe 10 seconds. do you want to see the output logs?
<whyrusleeping>
nah, if it worked, it worked
<whyrusleeping>
thanks :)
<achin>
only surprising thing i see was a 'skipping malformed ipns record' message
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, thats expected coming from v3
<achin>
k
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<achin>
ooh, i found an old version 2 repo
<whyrusleeping>
wat
<whyrusleeping>
nice
<achin>
from a zfs snapshot
<Captain_Beezay>
yes,they could sign it and hopefully users will check. My hope is,if their signature is part of the ipfs file definition,they won't depend on users verifying it,ipfs would auto verify and present the file as belonging to the owner of the pub key. So users would check the hash of the pub key verified as oppose to hash of the content which only provides
<Captain_Beezay>
integrity validation not authentication
<SchrodingersScat>
zfs is magic
<Captain_Beezay>
achin: if they post the hash over https it's not a problem
<Captain_Beezay>
The page is authenticated via TLS pki
<Captain_Beezay>
What if it was a link on a phishing email
<Captain_Beezay>
Some guy posting it on irc
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<Captain_Beezay>
In essence,ipfs support of authentication just makes the verification part easier for users
<Captain_Beezay>
Not having it does not mean ipfs is in anyway secure
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<Captain_Beezay>
Having it would mean content authentication is done by default when available
<Captain_Beezay>
So even for security i would recommend it over dropbox like sites
<Captain_Beezay>
Especially if I can deploy it to autosign and auto verify
<Captain_Beezay>
A nice message saying "john doe signed this document" vs expecting users to learn gcc and verify it
<Captain_Beezay>
Matter of fact,if this works I could block file sharing sites and document email attachments and force users to use ipfs
<Captain_Beezay>
Maybe something to consider for future ipfs releases i hope :)
<achin>
whyrusleeping: i can't make any guarentees about the consistency of the snapshot that i cloned. it could have been taken at anytime (even while the daemon was running)
<whyrusleeping>
achin: huh, that looks a bit weird...
<whyrusleeping>
but its the older migrations code, not the stuff i'm testing right now that failing
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<achin>
gonna try a few more migrations on some other snapshots i found, will report later in the PR
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<SchrodingersScat>
I guess that browser add-on does answer my previous question a bit, because then I could have a local machine as an ipfs and point say my phone or desktop at it while on the network
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<rhaal>
Hello everyone!
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<rhaal>
Hey there
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<rhaal>
I was wondering: supposing I actually manage to get ipfs running, is there a way to query other nodes for files?
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<Mateon1>
rhaal: In short, not really.
<Mateon1>
It's possible to select a hash, and publish it to an IPNS address
<Mateon1>
that address is usually the same as the peer ID of the node.
<Mateon1>
So, you can try `ipfs name resolve /ipns/QmPeerID`, and might find some content, like blogs, websites, etc.
<Mateon1>
But that is a very limited view of the network
<Mateon1>
You can also listen for hashes announced in the DHT. `ipfs log tail` shows a log of events, including DHT messages it sees
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<rhaal>
Thanks for the clarification on the subject! : ) Regarding DHT messages: when are they sent, specifically?
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<Mateon1>
rhaal: When an IPNS entry is published, or when a node advertises itself as a provider of a hash (AKA that it has the hash, and is willing to provide it)
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<rhaal>
Mh, I'd like to know more about the IPNS: how does an entry move along the chain from the publishing node?
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<rhaal>
I did try the faqs and documentation, but couldn't quite figure it out from there
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<Baughn>
Hi y'all...
<Baughn>
I'm working on adding IPFS support to MCUpdater (mcupdater.com). Probably all you need to know about it is, it's a wrapper for modded minecraft.
<Baughn>
So, it does a lot of downloads.
<Baughn>
And sometimes the origin server will be down, or slow.
<Baughn>
Thus...
<Baughn>
- I'm using the Java API client. The computer MCUpdater is running on may not (probably does not) have an ipfs daemon running. What's the recommended way to deal with this?
<Baughn>
That is: Should I unconditionally start my own, scoped to the runtime of the application? Or should I try to connect to a pre-existing one that might be there?
<Baughn>
Speaking of which, is the IPFS API port reserved?
<Baughn>
Secondly...
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<Baughn>
- Is there an API method for downloading byte ranges, i.e. so I can also use the webserver for partial downloads? I don't think I'd want to do that, honestly. I'm mostly curious.
<kythyria[m]>
Presumably, look for an existing IPFS daemon first, and start your own if there isn't one.
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<Baughn>
Well... okay.
<Baughn>
This is something I'd expect the API library to do, honestly. I suppose I could start a PR. :P
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<SchrodingersScat>
Baughn: yeah, that seems like a good application imo, but it would really only save bandwidth imo if they had a local IPFS right?
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<Baughn>
SchrodingersScat: It's meant as a backup, not to save bandwidth. MCUpdater already caches everything locally, so it isn't useful for that.
<Baughn>
Well, except the main MCU devs don't want me to bundle IPFS because of some prejudice against native binaries. I'm not sure what their logic is, honestly.
<Baughn>
So that might be out.
* Baughn
wonders how hard it'd be to write a trivial client. (For daemonless operation.)
<SchrodingersScat>
we really need it in part of just an ipv7 protocol, with option for local ipfs server
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<Baughn>
SchrodingersScat: Dreaming big is great, but I'm trying to build something that works today.
<Baughn>
(..but don't take that negatively. I'd *love* it if I could rely on a daemon existing.)
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<M-hash>
I'd really love a daemonless client too. There's a ton of places I could put that to use.
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<SchrodingersScat>
thought you could still up/download with just the client?
<SchrodingersScat>
maybe just download?
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<Baughn>
SchrodingersScat: The Java API doesn't look like you can. The Go binary lets you do that, yes, but the concern here was that they don't want to bundle _any_ native code. For... some reason.
<Baughn>
And if you can run the Go binary, you might as well start a daemon.
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<sprint-helper>
The next event "IPFS All Hands Call" is in 15 minutes.
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<kevina>
just let me know on irc if my attendance will be helpful
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<richardlitt>
kevina: sounds good. Will let you know.
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<lgierth>
kevina: it's gonna be about the two sprints
<lgierth>
richardlitt: title for that call is wrong ^
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: waiting for you
<kevina>
lgierth: thanks
<kevina>
stream?
<richardlitt>
Ah
<richardlitt>
I can make a new onw?
<richardlitt>
lgierth: Want to try announing?
<lgierth>
it's coming
<lgierth>
what's accounting?
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<lgierth>
kevina: stream's up
<richardlitt>
*announcing
<kevina>
thanks
<lgierth>
nah it's fine
<alterego>
dignifiedquire: Using the js-ipfs-api floodsub branch. My subscriptions only last for one publish event, subsequent publishes don't call the handler. Is this expected behavior?
<dignifiedquire>
alterego: browser or node?
<dignifiedquire>
short answer, browser is broken, node should just work fine as far as i remember
<dignifiedquire>
so we would have to patch it in there
<alterego>
I agree though, websockets would be much nicer in the future :)
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<JayCarpenter>
I'm listening in on the Sprint today. Will someone define the term "Sprintino"?
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<alterego>
dignifiedquire: looks like that lib already does it, in "text" mode ..
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<dignifiedquire>
hmm, it didn't work with text mode the last time I tried, it wouldn't actually stream data in
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<dignifiedquire>
but PRs are very welcome
<alterego>
Well, I'll do some testing and poking.
<dignifiedquire>
thanks :)
<dignifiedquire>
JayCarpenter: tiny sprint, things that need work but are not big or important enough to allocate a full sprint team to, usually done by a single person over the period of 1 or 2 weeks
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<dignifiedquire>
flyingzumwalt: ^^ feel free to correct if you have a better definition
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<JayCarpenter>
dignifiedquire: Thanks for the definition of "Sprintino"
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<alterego>
dignifiedquire: I can't see, where stream-http is being used in js-ipfs-api O_o
<dignifiedquire>
alterego: it is being replaced by webpack and browserify because of the "browser" definitions for "http"
<dignifiedquire>
so if it says require('http') it will use stream-http when build for the browser
<alterego>
Ooooo, okay.
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<alterego>
dignifiedquire: that stream-http lib seems broken to me.
<pinbot>
[host 5] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmeW1Ns5ndKzvRaEcwx1F3v6K4QTP673uKC3ZkTYnWNHPk: Post http://[fcd8:a4e5:3af7:557e:72e5:f9d1:a599:e329]:5001/api/v0/refs?arg=/ipfs/QmeW1Ns5ndKzvRaEcwx1F3v6K4QTP673uKC3ZkTYnWNHPk&encoding=json&stream-channels=true&r=true&: dial tcp [fcd8:a4e5:3af7:557e:72e5:f9d1:a599:e329]:5001: getsockopt: connection timed out