lgierth changed the topic of #ipfs to: Hello congress! Get go-ipfs 0.4.4 at https://dist.ipfs.io, then check out our media.ccc.de mirror: https://archives.ipfs.io | IPFS, the InterPlanetary FileSystem: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0 | Sprints: https://git.io/voEAh
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* zignig_ returns from a parallel dimension
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* zignig_ wishes all a happy new year ( and it's prime ! )
<achin> was the new year also prime in your parallel dimensino?
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<zignig_> achin: it was ;)
<achin> i wonder if 2017 is prime across all dimensions!
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<Mateon1> victorbjelkholm: Yep, IPFSBin gives me bad gateway errors.
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<achin> anyone feel like helping cleanup the multihash repo? there are a bunch of issues and PRs that can be closed/merged
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<slothbag> if I assume there is no relay of blocks, is it possible to force short lived connections in IPFS to allow more peers access to a node?
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<achin> mib_kd743naq: ping
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<Mateon1> whyrusleeping: Rencently I tried to use `ipfs add -r -q directory` in a script, it still printed all the hashes of files inside that directory. For some reason, `ipfs add -r -q --silent dir` only prints the hash of the dir, as I would expect with just -q
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<graffen> whyrusleeping, Mateon1 cool I'll take a look, thanks :)
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: yes?
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<mib_kd743naq> kumavis[m]1: why is this odd?
<kumavis[m]1> its not
<kumavis[m]1> its just a lot
<mib_kd743naq> each block is an idividual file ( a shortcoming, should be fixed in the near future with a new datastore )
<mib_kd743naq> i blow past my inode quota often while experimenting
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<whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: yeah... i'm thinking of actually using something like sqlite for block storage
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<jn__> btw, i noticed that most blocks have the same size (262158 bytes) on my ipfs node. How can I enable Rabin's "content-defined chunking"?
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: hmm, I will write datastore binding for it
<Kubuxu> I am interested
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: i have a sql datastore thing already
<Kubuxu> hmm
<whyrusleeping> should just need to plug it in
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<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: no rush at all, just not sure if you are seeing things in the stream of email you get: this is a major blocker for me at present https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3451#issuecomment-270088938
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<mib_kd743naq> the fact that go-ipfs won't support it for a while is ok, it's the spec being unclear that is hindering my planning of things
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<mguentner> mib_kd743naq: my understanding is that unixfs needs a complete rewrite for and with IPLD; for me a major blocker is the missing execute bit
<mguentner> it's not a blocker per se but if one wants to make use of ipfs as an actual unixfs (mounting) for e.g. distributing software - the execute bit is rather useful
<mib_kd743naq> mguentner: right, but the decision whether this goes into a link or a separate metadata block is *still* a question ( whether IPLD or UnixFS )
<mib_kd743naq> for what I want to do ( distribute untarred contents + tars of these contents + zero-compression gzip of these tars all backed by the same data leaves ) I need posix attrs + mtime + symlinks
<mib_kd743naq> neither of them are close to working, but that's ok as I am writing my own tree builder anyway - the lack of "what are we planning to do" is problematic :/
<mib_kd743naq> mguentner: separately there's https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/144#issue-164845931 which speaks very closely of the same thing ;)
* mguentner was trying to get an overview of the same topic and got lost in the multitude of projects/issues/PRs
<mib_kd743naq> mguentner: same here, lots of searching took place to get here
<mib_kd743naq> mguentner: maybe we should crash one of the apps-on-ipfs calls together? :D
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<whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: we wont be changing the protobuf
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<whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: we can define an ipld unixfs scheme though
<whyrusleeping> which is the 'correct' way for us to move forward with this
<mguentner> whyrusleeping: which protobuf are you talking about? the unixfs protobuf?
<whyrusleeping> yeah, unixfs and/or merkledag
<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: which is fine - how can folks like mguentner and myself help with defining the ipld unixfs?
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<whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: open a thread in ipfs/notes and lets discuss what fields the object should have
<whyrusleeping> get input from everyone so we can finalize/agree on it
<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: mguentner has done this to an extent (and I agree with most of the overview) https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/60#issuecomment-261249715
<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: the thing I am most interested in is the implementation side: when one gets a "directory" would they need to "interrogate" each piece in it or will the "links" (whatever they are called in ipld) contain all the metadata
<mib_kd743naq> I have to run, will add these questions on that issues/60 ticket
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<mguentner> whyrusleeping: the ontology is kind of confusing here. The "new" unixfs should reference files that are stored within the "old" unixfs using IPLD, right? So the "old" unixfs will be the backend for the "new" unixfs.
<whyrusleeping> mguentner: they should be able to interop, but the new ipld unixfs will be a complete spec (with files and symlinks and everything)
<mguentner> but when I do "ipfs add foo/bar/baz.xy" with the "new" unixfs it will still use the "old" protobuf stuff?
<whyrusleeping> mguentner: unclear, but ideally it would use purely new stuff
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<mguentner> whyrusleeping: okay...sounds reasonable but very complicated. I wonder whether the point of no return has been reached yet for IPFS (meaning that a hard break is possible). Supporting the current protobuf design in future implementations seems like a huge overhead / technical debt to carry on.
<mguentner> Because whenever ipfs (in whatever language/system) gets an hash of some root node of an arbitrary unixfs some "meta" unixfs needs to decide whether to use the legacy/old "unixfs" or the "new" unixfs
<mguentner> Just get the confusion out of the way: Is PR 3368 still relevant?
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<Mateon1> jn__: In order to use rabin chunking use the `ipfs add -s rabin-y` option (or `rabin x-y-z`), where x and z are the minimum and maximum block length (in bytes, optional), and y is the desired average chunk size
<Mateon1> So: ipfs add ./file -s rabin-65536 # will keep the average block size around 64kB, and: ipfs add ./file -s rabin-16384-65536-524288 # will keep blocks between 16kB and 512kB in size, but keeps the average around 64kB
<whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: i could use your help with something
<whyrusleeping> the sharding code has been languishing for quite some time, its implemented, but it needs a bit of review/usage
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<whyrusleeping> you've been pretty good at finding subtle issues in other bits of the code, mind attacking the sharding PR?
<jn__> Mateon1: thanks!
<whyrusleeping> mguentner: 3368 is still relevant, but we're working on it. Its unrelated to unixfs
<whyrusleeping> mguentner: we can discuss supporting the protobuf design in an issue
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<achin> mib_kd743naq: ohi. i'm trying to figure out this ipfs hash : /ipfs/z8bvizBNsLQxdjzPwX3diwDRRNuyHFE3S
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<achin> if i decode it as a base58-encoded multihash, i see that the first byte is 0x02, which i not a valid multihash code
<achin> so what kind of hash is this?
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: it's a cid
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: which is described as <type of byte-to-base encoding><cid version><cid type><pointer>
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: let me find the relevant specs...
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<mib_kd743naq> the remainder is 8bvizBNsLQxdjzPwX3diwDRRNuyHFE3S which == 017011146bd03eb11b0c5288206c9dab69fdd110f23cdf11
<mib_kd743naq> 01 == cidv1
<mib_kd743naq> 0x14 == 160bits of length
<mib_kd743naq> the rest is the sha1
<mib_kd743naq> achin: ^^
<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: I can give it a whirl yes - could you point me to the ticket please?
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<achin> mib_kd743naq: ok, i've got some reading to do. thanks!
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<achin> do you know offhand if there is a text-based spec (instead of a .go-based spec)? if not, no prob, i can go look myself
<mib_kd743naq> achin: I never found any, Kubuxu, whyrusleeping ^^ are these things I linked above specced in plain text somewhere?
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: it might help you further understand how things fit together by looking at the dataset behind that matrix I linked you: QmYbb74fCe7pom18nPRw2rKAPMukza63DfQAdHG53WywbW
<mib_kd743naq> ( it helped me to see things this way anyhow... )
<achin> yes, i think so. i only glanced at it before, but it deserves another look
<achin> mib_kd743naq: looks like https://github.com/ipld/cid might be hte best spec at the moment
<mib_kd743naq> achin: except the actual numbers aren't there ;)
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: ah I guess they are like https://github.com/multiformats/multicodec/blob/master/table.csv#L166
<achin> maybe in my efforts to understand this, i'll try to synthesize an updated spec and submit a PR
<mib_kd743naq> achin: maybe https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs/wiki is more suited for that... dunno
<achin> or the specs repo? not really sure either
<achin> ipfs slightly suffers from this, in that thre are like a dozen places to find info about things
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: "slightly"
<achin> :D
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<mib_kd743naq> achin: in any case: I'd help getting articles/links/whatever in shape, I am just too busy to start it myself :/
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<capacitorset> Hello everyone!
<capacitorset> I'm working on an independent implementation of Filecoin, and was told to ask here because the paper may be out of date. Does anyone have information about that?
<sigmaister[m]> Hi
<sigmaister[m]> ??
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<kumavis[m]1> Ethereum Ontology was just published publicly
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<kumavis[m]1> nooo my ethereum state dumping server ran out of inodes...
<kumavis[m]1> only 0.4mil/3mil blocks processed : /
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<kumavis[m]1> ok throwing more inodes at the problem
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<kumavis[m]1> perhaps 120 million will be sufficient...
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<Xe> if you're going to abuse matrix.org for that, you might want to at least make sure the thing you are shilling has an income above the US minimum wage
<demize> Well, if you use matrix.org for it it should probably be either UK or FR, not US ;p
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<kevina> Kubuxu, whyrusleeping: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3557 should be ready now
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<lidel> hm.. does js-ipfs-api support /api/v0/dns/ ?
<lidel> seems not :'<
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<BoringLewinsky> Hey guys
<BoringLewinsky> Theoretically, how would IPFS handle me trying to run a blog over the network? Like I know that I could host the assets (.js, .css, etc.) but how would it handle, say, comments?
<demyan[m]> there is no serverside. your readers need to push comments as text files to ipfs, than you could incorparete it via special js... just stupid idea)
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<kevina> Problem with gateway? My build is failing do to ERROR 504: Gateway Time-out: https://circleci.com/gh/ipfs/go-ipfs/5904
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<Ohelig> demyan[m], so there'd be no way to counter spam then, right?
<ansuz> comment boxes are the worst
<demyan[m]> good question. untill somebody sync spams multishash - there are no way to know spam it or not.
<ansuz> if it's on the internet, it's probably spam
<demyan[m]> but, since its hash - identical messages will have SAME hash.
<demyan[m]> depends of block chunking of course
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<BoringLewinsky> So basically ipfs can't really replace a traditional webserver
<BoringLewinsky> Just the CDN
<demyan[m]> kinda
<BoringLewinsky> I mean it doesn't seem like it can handle anything with user interaction
<BoringLewinsky> Like you couldn't run a site that has user accounts and logging in
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<demyan[m]> traditionally logging in require creating session on some other server.
<demyan[m]> so its inpossible in serverless meshnet
<BoringLewinsky> right. That makes sense
<demyan[m]> however - youser can prove identity with pgp sinature
<demyan[m]> this not require server
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<ansuz> some of the ssb folks are working on a node that hosts content for users, while their private key is in localstorage
<ansuz> same idea could be done in ipfs
<ansuz> localstorage is only accessible from that particular domain, though
<ansuz> if hosts for such a thing added some site to an allowlist, they could have it host everything that was necessary as an identity provider (an iframe with a postmessage rpc for authentication)
<ansuz> then you could take your identity with you, but idk why you'd be attracted to a decentralized system if you're just going to go and centralize it again
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<Caterpillar> I want to unpin a 1,8 GB ISO file. It should be easy because I have less than 5 files pinned and it is the biggest one. I cannot find it using $ ipfs pin ls --type=recursive --showname
<Caterpillar> what can I do?
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<achin> do you see anything with --type=direct?
<achin> if you still have the iso around, you can "re-add" it (using the --only-hash) option to recover the hash. but this is just a workaround. you should be able to find the hash via ipfs-pin-ls
<Caterpillar> achin: $ ipfs pin ls --type=direct returns nothing
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<achin> you can try ipfs pin -ls --type=all, but that might spit out way too much info to be useful
<Caterpillar> achin: definitely too much output
<achin> figured
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<achin> uhhh, who's a pinning expert... whyrusleeping ?
<whyrusleeping> sup
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<achin> ^^^ see the last 10ish messages with Caterpillar
<ansuz> hi whyrusleeping
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<Caterpillar> :-)))
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<pjz> Caterpillar: ipfs pin ls |grep recur
<pjz> should get you the hashes of all your recursive pins
<pjz> oh, presuming linux.
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<achin> what's the difference between grepping for "recur" and using --type=recursive?
<Caterpillar> pjz: I got the hashes. Now how to find out which is the file I need to unpin?
<pjz> Caterpillar: you can do an ipfs object stat <hash> to see the size of each one
<pjz> Caterpillar: how did you add the file?
<pjz> Caterpillar: does 'ipfs files ls' tell you anything useful?
<Caterpillar> just a moment
<Caterpillar> pjz: $ ipfs files ls returns nothing. I have found out that QmTA1z4w9UHG8b3A8oqmkXghAfgP1o1dWn1spXwTmtzAbq has BlockSize: 1561 that is the highest of all. So it should be the ISO file
<achin> it also has CumulativeSize: 1389693671
<achin> which looks about right for an ISO
<pjz> Caterpillar: okay, so just unpin that one then
<Caterpillar> pjz: achin so now $ ipfs unpin QmTA1z4w9UHG8b3A8oqmkXghAfgP1o1dWn1spXwTmtzAbq right?
<Caterpillar> Error: Unknown Command "unpin" Did you mean this? pin
<pjz> Caterpillar: ipfs pin rm <hash>
<achin> ipfs pin rm <hash>
<pjz> what achin said ;)
<achin> pjz types faster than i :)
<Caterpillar> unpinned QmTA1z4w9UHG8b3A8oqmkXghAfgP1o1dWn1spXwTmtzAbq
<Caterpillar> is the file removed from disk?=
<pjz> Caterpillar: no
<pjz> Caterpillar: you have to gc to free up the disk space
<Caterpillar> gc?
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<achin> garbage collect
<Caterpillar> ah
<pjz> ipfs repo gc
<Caterpillar> pjz: thank you very much
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<pjz> Caterpillar: you're very welcome ;)
<test98_0> Hi! I have a question! If I publish a file by using IPNS and access it through a gateway. Is the file available if my node is off?
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<pjz> test98_0: only if someone else has it in their cache
<test98_0> So IPNS centralized in the node or in the network?
<pjz> test98_0: ideally someone else would have it pinned for you
<pjz> test98_0: IPNS is the mapping from a name to a hash
<pjz> test98_0: IPFS is the storage and distribution of the contents of that hash
<Mateon1> IPNS is a system that basically points to an IPFS hash, if the IPFS hash is available, and IPNS record is valid, it will work
<test98_0> so the the IPNS record mapping is in the netwrok, even though the node is off
<test98_0> ?
<Mateon1> IPNS has a rather short expiration period, so if your node is not running it will expire within a few hours
<pjz> test98_0: well, IPNS record mappings aren't stored in the network, I think
<pjz> oh, well, they don't have to be, anyway
<Mateon1> They are, acutally
<achin> they are stored inthe DHT, right?
<Mateon1> achin: Yep
<pjz> really? I thought they could be in DNS
<achin> the dns TXT records let you map a dns name to an IPNS name
<Mateon1> Well, you can use DNS links
<pjz> in a TXT record
<pjz> to an IPNS name or an IPFS hash?
<test98_0> But the DHT is in all the nodes?
<achin> but then you still need ipns to map from IPNS to IPFS
<pjz> ah, okay
<Mateon1> You can also dns link directly to an IPFS hash, but it's more convenient to point to IPNS instead, since it updates faster (10 seconds, versus a day for DNS)
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<achin> for example, ipfs.io has a ipfs hash (not ipns)
<achin> ipfs.io. 70 IN TXT "dnslink=/ipfs/QmaYRrBpZQRjonxBpBBSLvYmy893ySPpXpHCakhomaQtkU"
<test98_0> where can I create that text file in ubuntu?
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<Mateon1> If you mean TXT record, that is a feature of DNS, you have to own a domain name
<test98_0> Ahh ok!
<test98_0> Regarding the IPNS issue
<test98_0> Imagine that I have an ipns peer id
<test98_0> and I move to another computer
<test98_0> can I move my peer?
<test98_0> like a migration without changing my peer id?
<Mateon1> Yes, you can just back up your .ipfs/config file, it contains your public and private key, which control IPNS
<test98_0> Great!
<test98_0> and the last question
<test98_0> what is the dht?
<test98_0> Thanks so much
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<Mateon1> Well, left before I could answer
<achin> you left before we could explain dhts :(
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<whyrusleeping> achin: there shouldnt be a difference between --type=recursive
<whyrusleeping> and grepping for recur
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