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<Li[m]>
when I mount ipns, should I see the published folder where its mounted?
<Li[m]>
ahh nevermind, it just took a while
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<blurp>
hi there! I'm trying to implement js-libp2p-mdns... but having a hard time figuring out the peerInfo object... anyone knows of a working example?
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<magneto>
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<ipfs-bridge>
This is a message from IPFS
<gkbrk>
haha it works, if you do ipfs pubsub pub chat "This is a message from IPFS" it shows up here
<gkbrk>
it works the other way too
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<gkbrk>
can anyone send a quick test message? I need to go in a few minutes
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<Scio[m]>
My messages haven't gotten through yet, probably.
<teej>
Scio[m]: Matrix hiccuped.
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<nothingmuch>
whyrusleeping: so I've poked around the gc code and mfs/unixfs code a bit - I didn't find a mechanism apart from pinning, it looked to me like the roots where used to start enumerating the graph and the pin set is what colors it white - what were you referring to the other day?
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<whyrusleeping>
nothingmuch: the root of the mfs tree gets fed into the GC enumeration as a 'best effort' root
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<ipfs-bridge>
Is there a way to filter out the ipfs pubsub messages we send, so we don't receive it back?
<whyrusleeping>
ipfs-bridge: you shouldnt receive back your own messages
<whyrusleeping>
if you are, then something is broken
<ipfs-bridge>
i don't think i'm receiving them back from other nodes, but when i'm subscribed to messages on the ipfs daemon and publish on the same daemon it echoes back
<ipfs-bridge>
is there a way to test the correct behaviour to see if i'm doing something wrong?
<whyrusleeping>
oh, thats correct
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<ipfs-bridge>
okay, so is there way to filter that out? i know that each message has a sequence number, but can we get the same sequence number when we're publishing a message?
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<gkbrk>
Icefoz_: you wouldn't happen to be icefox from github right?
<gkbrk>
i'm the bridge btw, sorry about the nick confusion
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<Icefoz_>
gkbrk: Nope, I'm icefoxen on github. :-P
<gkbrk>
oh that's what i meant
<Icefoz_>
Too many icefox's around.
<Icefoz_>
Oh, in that case, yes.
<gkbrk>
Icefoz_: I used the rust crate for this, also I did some changes to the pin API. I'm not sure if it's still working for you.
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<Icefoz_>
gkbrk: I'm currently working off my fork so I haven't tried it. :-P
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<Icefoz_>
I'm currently waffling between your crate and one of the futures-based one, but it turns out the go-ipfs HTTP API isn't async in the first place so I don't think futures gains much...
<Icefoz_>
gkbrk: You made an IPFS pubsub-to-IRC bridge? :D
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<gkbrk>
yeah, I'm testing out the pubsub messages so I thought that would be a good test
<gkbrk>
would it be useful if I made a textboard/imageboard on ipfs?
<whyrusleeping>
gkbrk: that would be really interesting
<whyrusleeping>
kinda like a proto-reddit sort of thing?
<gkbrk>
i guess a decentralized imageboard could be tricky because of obvious reasons, but textboard could work
<gkbrk>
i haven't heard of proto-reddit
<whyrusleeping>
by 'proto' i mean 'early'
<gkbrk>
ahh, it could be like that
<whyrusleeping>
as in, something that has similar functionality to a simple reddit clone
<gkbrk>
but early reddit didn't have comments, what I had in mind was p2p discussion of topics
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<whyrusleeping>
oooh, yeah
<whyrusleeping>
that would be really cool to figure out
<Icefoz_>
I think it's a really compelling idea but there's lots of missing details.
<Icefoz_>
Naming is another reason to have a centralized-ish server.
<Icefoz_>
IPNS isn't good enough, IMO.
<voker57>
ipns is mostly a hack at this point
<voker57>
there's another thing called iprs in the works which is more general
<gkbrk>
Icefoz_: about the error handling pr, does IPFS actually return HTTP error codes?
<gkbrk>
i think it just puts the error message inside the json response
<Icefoz_>
To make something that's effectively zero-latency the way IRC or website refreshes are you need basically instant name updates and you need to be able to easily keep multiple nodes in sync with each other.
<Icefoz_>
gkbrk: If you give it malformed input or such, I believe so, yes.
<gkbrk>
Icefoz_: you can do the realtime part with pubsub, and then on a central server update the resources, which should propagate to people looking at it later
<gkbrk>
there will be some lag from IPNS, but otherwise should be okay
<gkbrk>
as long as there are trusted public keys, you can decentralize most of the application while keeping the crucial parts controlled
<Icefoz_>
Yeah, just need to play with that part of it and see what works well, and what needs to be added to make it work well.
<Icefoz_>
gkbrk: Also confirmed, /api/v0/pin/rm will return HTTP 500 if you give it invalid input, or even just tell it to unpin something that isn't pinned.
<gkbrk>
oh okay then
<gkbrk>
if we switch to error_on_status, even if ipfs behaviour changes we should be covered
<gkbrk>
Icefoz_: If you make a pr or patch file with just the error_on_status ones it will be great
<gkbrk>
if you don't have time i can do it later as well
<Icefoz_>
gkbrk: I'll work on that, just wanted to get your opinion.
<gkbrk>
it doesn't change too much does it?
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<Icefoz_>
Not really, but it changes how you do error handling.
<Icefoz_>
Checking the HTTP code vs. the message contents.
<gkbrk>
oh that's true
<gkbrk>
i mean we still need to have the message content checks anyway
<gkbrk>
just because we get a 200 doesn't mean the message is well formatted
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<gkbrk>
the only potential issue i see with it is if there is an error we can't return the reason for it
<gkbrk>
but if we need to do that we can just turn the ? into a match statement and do it by hand
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<Icefoz_>
Hmm, good point.
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<gkbrk>
I'm busy with some assignments from school and work, but after those I'm planning to work about the textboard/reddit thing
<gkbrk>
the more we use the p2p capabilities of IPFS, the more testing they will get
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<Icefoz_>
True!
<Icefoz_>
I'm currently working on another project but hope to get it mostly finished in a week or two (hah)
<Icefoz_>
And can go back to WorldDoc.
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<lgierth>
ChrisMatthieu: unfortunately not fully implemented yet
<lgierth>
i.e. partly implemented, but not integrated into ipfs/libp2p
<ChrisMatthieu>
looks like it could be extensively leveraged by computesio
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<Icefoz_>
I WAS wondering how well IPFS would work with minutes-long latencies... :-P
<Icefoz_>
As far as I can see right now it would be fine for addressing content and figuring out what content to fetch, but transmission of such things would need a transport-layer other than TCP...
<Icefoz_>
...which suddenly explains the nested addressing scheme for nodes and such.
<lgierth>
:)
<lgierth>
we'll work on MUCH fancier transports Q1/Q2
<lgierth>
also a QUIC transport is about to land
<Icefoz_>
Well TCP is fine for anything in the near-earth region!
<Icefoz_>
And while it's becoming minimally feasible to get satellites into orbit without a government backing you, getting them to Mars is going to take a while yet. ;-)
<Icefoz_>
QUIC?
<Icefoz_>
oh man I just had a hilarious idea
<Icefoz_>
A huge pile of, essentially, cube-sats, with low-power transmitters, just filling up solar orbits between Earth and Mars
<Icefoz_>
To produce a mesh network for data transmission so you don't need a 30-meter radio dish.
<Icefoz_>
Interplanetary Freipunk.
<lgierth>
it's freifunk
<Icefoz_>
derp
<Icefoz_>
freifunk.
<r0kk3rz>
i wonder what protocol nasa uses for its mars orbiters
<lgierth>
an actual interplanetary protocol
<lgierth>
there was an article somewhere about it recently
<Icefoz_>
Probably something very simple and direct.
<Icefoz_>
Yeah there must be publications on it.
<Icefoz_>
But it just needs to be basically point-to-point, with not-enormous bandwidths, so it's probably relatively simple.
<Icefoz_>
That's not *entirely* true because, for instance, various mars spacecraft and rovers can use each other as relays.
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<ehmry>
they use similar high-latency stuff in mining, so you can buffer large amounts packets while you are underground
<Icefoz_>
But that's like half a dozen nodes max, which are pretty heavily managed by hand.
<Icefoz_>
Ooh, cool.
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<r0kk3rz>
thats not to say they didnt overengineer it though, its not every day you put something in orbit around mars
<Icefoz_>
Anything that has to operate for years without maintenance is going to get overengineered. ;-)
<Icefoz_>
Though they can and do update the software remotely.
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<r0kk3rz>
yeah, it looks like there is an entire international committee that deals with this :D
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<Icefoz_>
Makes sense, I think NASA and ESA share bandwidth and infrastructure.
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<ehmry>
lgierth kyledrake stebalien if you want any help/review/testing on CBOR unixfs let me know
<ehmry>
I'm working on a Nim library for dealing with IPFS, and I want to avoid any legacy stuff I can, so I'm waiting for CBOR to catch up
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<kyledrake>
is there a spec for "ipld unixfs" yet?
<stebalien>
ehmry: unfortunately, you'll still likely have to support the protobuf-based unixfs (we do want to maintain backwards compatability). However, we may be able to create some form of transform libary.
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<ehmry>
kyledrake: no spec, and CBOR formatted in the same as pb unixfs doesn't work because the links are processed as multihash, not CIDs
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I missed the weekly all hands.
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<nothingmuch>
whyrusleeping: where can I find discussions regarding how to make local storage smaller than virtual storage? does mfs assume blocks are present locally? would it be better to tackle this at the block store level?
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