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<perguth>
why-r-u-sleeping?
<perguth>
:)
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<null_radix[m]>
never gets old :P
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<jfmherokiller[m]>
one of the issues ive noticed is that if you try to unpin something that is not already pinned it takes a really long time to reach the conclusion that the hash is not pinned
<jfmherokiller[m]>
this is of course when the repo is near 300GB or so
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<Li[m]1>
which parts of the project are most sane?
<Li[m]1>
id love to put some effort, but it looks a bit messy
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<Li[m]1>
Id like to focus on the filesystem part, and leave routing to a list of domains
<Li[m]1>
feels like everybody is implementing another DHT
<Li[m]1>
cjdns is enough, gives me secure host IDs
<Li[m]1>
then I could use a list of cjdns IDs for ipfs to look for stuff
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<Li[m]1>
what I could gather is that R&D was going into ovehauling IPLD, but that it got stalled lately.. is that somewhat accurate?
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<redfish>
Li[m]1: another big thing: add new transports. I2P, Tor.
<Li[m]1>
i2p, tor? why those are network protocols
<Li[m]1>
the filesystem looks barely started
<Li[m]1>
isnt it 'interplanetary file systems' ?
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<chrysn>
i'm considering ipfs for photo workflows, and it's a common occurrence there to have two files (a jpg and a raw file) where the jpg is completely embedded in the raw file
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<chrysn>
(ie. when you get the files off the camera, you get them separately, but you can extract the jpg from the nef again because a byte-wise copy is embedded at a non-constant offset in the raw file)
<chrysn>
can ipfs deduplication make use of that deduplication? (note that the offsets are truly arbitrary, not aligned to anything but bytes)
<chrysn>
if not, explicit knowledge of those offsets be used when adding the files to obtain an ipfs handle on them that makes use of that information?
<chrysn>
particular use case: a node has the jpg present, and wants to fetch the raw file. rather than fetching 16mb, it only needs to fetch 11mb because the node knows the rest already.
<r0kk3rz>
id say not, because it would have to have knowledge of the format itself to properly dedup
<chrysn>
i could provide the information extracted from format details at adding time, so it'd be only concatenation that'd need to concern ipfs
<r0kk3rz>
you'd probably have to manually chunk it and write raw dag nodes for it
<chrysn>
sounds doable.
<chrysn>
could ipfs help someone who created (another) hash of the same raw file learn that there are other hashes of it (eg. the one i composed from raw dag nodes)?
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<r0kk3rz>
how do you mean? if the hashes match its the same file
<r0kk3rz>
if the hashes dont match, then they dont match :P
<chrysn>
yes, but there can be different hashes of the same file (eg. one from a plain `ipfs add`, one crafted using raw dag nodes)
<r0kk3rz>
ipfs dont know its the same file though
<chrysn>
so even though there is plurality of hashes, ipfs has no way to exchange information about which hashes hash the same content
<r0kk3rz>
like for eg you can use a different hashing algo, that wont be deduped
<whyrusleeping>
chrysn: you can definitely *manually* chunk such files
<whyrusleeping>
ipfs's rabin importer *might* help depending on the sizes of the photos involved
* chrysn
is looking up the rabin importer
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<chrysn>
sounds like rabin could automatically do that if the inner files are added first and then available as patterns to rabin; the presence of such an importer shows that the resulting hashes can practically be used
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<whyrusleeping>
thats not exactly how rabin works, but some chunker could probably figure that out
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<chrysn>
but the generll concept of having chunkers sounds very promising :-)
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<zippy314>
Hey folks, I'm looking for some help on how to be able to build libp2p in my app without gx. Currently if I do a nieve build after a `go get` on my app that depends on libp2p I get errors like this: https://gist.github.com/zippy/47dec62f6134473c8737af124b9aa58f If I do a `go-gx rewrite` it then builds. How can I build without relying on gx?
<whyrusleeping>
zippy314: that looks like the github deps you have locally are out of date
<chrysn>
thanks, whyrusleeping and r0kk3rz, for your comments! ipfs might still need some patching or manual work to be perfect for my use cases, but it looks like the way there is not too rough.
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<chrysn>
what confuses me from playing with the trees: can i, given an ipfs address, tell what type it is, ie. directory or blob or tar?
<chrysn>
i'd expect such information from `ipfs object stat`, but found nothing but sizes and numbers there
<r0kk3rz>
if you look in the head node it should say
<chrysn>
ah, i hadn't used `get` yet (assumed it would do something like cat). but i can still not distinguish a directory from a tar ball from a file, can i?
<chrysn>
(short of inspecting the data and hoping that data that looks like a directory is actually a directory and not an on-disk file with that data)
<r0kk3rz>
the HEAD needs to be encoded with sane data otherwise all bets are off really
<r0kk3rz>
for unixfs stuff at least
<chrysn>
the head is the "Data" of the `object get` output?
<chrysn>
so basically i'm looking for some magic bytes at the start of that if i am to know what the hash actually is
<r0kk3rz>
each thing is stored as a DAG yeah? DAG has a HEAD node
<chrysn>
clear so far
<r0kk3rz>
HEAD node being the hash you would use to retrieve the whole thing
<chrysn>
yes, that's basically the chunkof data whose hash is the entry address
<r0kk3rz>
yeah its a pointer to the rest of the structure
<chrysn>
i can get that data using `ipfs object data HASH`
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<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: can you suggest how to fix that? I try a `go get -u` and I get the exact same output. I get this error from a completely vanilla installation of my code and go on a new server. It only works if use `gx-go rewrite`
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<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: Second question: Can you help me understand how I can reduce my dependency on libp2p gx release cycle. Currently I'm blocked because I can't build libp2p in my system because even though the bug I reported was merged into libp2p (https://github.com/libp2p/go-libp2p-swarm/pull/38) I can't build until there's a new gx version for all of libp2p and I can update my gx dep on libp2p. So for example, if this were a crucial
<whyrusleeping>
zippy314: ah, it looks like something got merged in go-libp2p-transport that isnt quite ready yet..
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<whyrusleeping>
this is basically why we use gx
<whyrusleeping>
upstream packages can get changed
<whyrusleeping>
zippy314: if you check out 9e9c6d1 in go-tcp-transport and 1b7d004 in go-libp2p-transport, things should work fine
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<chrysn>
digging through unixfs, i think i see now why on ipfs level, different hashes for the same file can't be used interchangably:
<chrysn>
(by interchangably i mean that node A wants a hash, asks around for it, and someone answers "i can send it to you, but btw, another hash is equivalent, you might already have that")
<chrysn>
as the unixfs file is not a single ipfs entity, those hashes have actually distinct contents to ipfs, and they are only equivalent when viewed as unixfs files.
<whyrusleeping>
chrysn: right, unixfs is a filesystem abstraction on top of ipld graphs
<whyrusleeping>
the structure of the graph for the same set of bytes can be different
<whyrusleeping>
for example, you could define a structure that is optimized for seeking through the data efficiently
<whyrusleeping>
or a structure that is more optimized for streaming linearly
<whyrusleeping>
though, in general, the data blocks at the leaves will be the same between different graphs
<chrysn>
but to have hashes for both and let the client pick the most suitable is something not implemented in unixfs
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, thats up to the user
<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: ok, thanks, that works for me to build locally, but, when I find a bug in libp2p, and need to build and deploy based on a fix in my fork of lets say go-libp2p-swarm, how do I do that?
<whyrusleeping>
go to the repo for go-libp2p-swarm in your GOPATH
<whyrusleeping>
then add your fork as a git remote
<whyrusleeping>
generally, if you 'fork' a project in go to just patch it, you use the same import path as the thing you forked
<whyrusleeping>
because youre not really forking it, youre patching it
<zippy314>
Isn't that a local solution? How would others know to do that?
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<chrysn>
i think it might be a useful feature to transition between different hashes; but it might be tricky to implement and hard for the client to prove without much work -- but useful even outside unixfs:
<whyrusleeping>
is the intent of your forked package to continue forward as its own separate thing? or are you just making changes that you want to get merged back into the main repo?
<whyrusleeping>
chrysn: yeah, kevina has been working on that a bit
<chrysn>
the same file might be encoded both in a torrent, in a regular chunking and a rabin chunk. getting one's address when having the other would be quite handy.
<chrysn>
whyrusleeping: would never had found that from my examples, thanks for the link
<whyrusleeping>
right now the comand is just able to switch the hashes of directories in mfs
<whyrusleeping>
but there are a lot of utilities in that PR for creating files with different parameters
<r0kk3rz>
chrysn: you'd have to do something like a directory node, linking the different structures together
<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: My intent is to be able to deploy a hotfix immediately before it gets back into the the libp2p release cycle. But later when it does get merged, to indeed go back to the main repo. I just don't want my ability to release a hotfix to be dependent on the libp2p release schedule. Which means that a `go get` or go-gx get for someone downloading our code for a particular release would work.
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<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: I understand and appreciate how gx is a solution to the upstream changes problem, I just don't understand how to use it to insert my own dependencies on my versions that fix things.
<whyrusleeping>
zippy314: i think the best solution here is for us to just update the fixed go-libp2p-swarm through the other packages you need
<whyrusleeping>
otherwise you can make your packages all use your own version of go-libp2p-swarm
<whyrusleeping>
but that seems like a lot more effort
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<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: Definitely best long term solution, but I can't always count on that being something you can do in the timeframe I want, so I want to know how to acheive the latter solution. So my question is how to do that. I can change my own references to go-libp2p-swarm in my code, but that doesn't change the ferences to goswarm in other parts of the code, because it essentially mixes in two different incompatible versions after a
<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: haven't so far, but I'm happy to learn what to do to create this flexibility.
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<zippy314>
whyrusleeping: case in point, is that right now I'm blocked waiting for stebalien to do the gx update because hes waiting on someone for final signoff on some changes (see: https://github.com/libp2p/go-libp2p-swarm/pull/38). The work I'm doing right now is scalability testing which happens by scripts deploying the code on vanaila servers, which won't work unless what a `go get` gets works!
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<whyrusleeping>
stebalien: go merge those things
<whyrusleeping>
zippy314: you can do the ugly thing of putting all your deps in the vendor directory of your project and the comitting them to git
<stebalien>
whyrusleeping: That's what I was doing before you bugged me :p
<whyrusleeping>
i generally advise against that strongly because it heavily bloats the size of your git repo
<whyrusleeping>
and is hard to change things on
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<jfmherokiller[m]>
how does one fix the too many open files issue on osx?
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<whyrusleeping>
jfmherokiller[m]: the recently merged connection manager should resolve the issue
<whyrusleeping>
you can try it out by building from latest master, but it will require some configuration changes
<whyrusleeping>
the next release should have everything figured out nicely
<jfmherokiller[m]>
how long till the next release?
<whyrusleeping>
my current estimate is the end of next week
<jfmherokiller[m]>
because the main issue is that the ipfs daemon gets killed off once it opens too many files
<jfmherokiller[m]>
which is like every 2-1%
<kenshyx>
I"m getting a lot of errors like "mdns: mdns lookup error: failed to bind to any unicast udp port mdns.go:13" after updating to v0.4.11
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<Icefoz_>
I got a lot of those before updating to 0.4.11...
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<pvh>
hi there - is anyone around who i can talk to about using libp2p?
<pvh>
i've written something similar and would prefer to adopt and then contribute to something better maintained
<whyrusleeping>
pvh: hey! theres a few of us around who can definitely answer questions
<pvh>
whyrusleeping: great, i'm trying to imagine how i'd use libp2p in a more lively environment where clients are exchanging smaller messages
<whyrusleeping>
pvh: the current interfaces for libp2p are stream based
<whyrusleeping>
so you can open a stream between peers, and send messages back and forth
<pvh>
yeah, i built against ORTC message framed channels, so i suppose i'll have to build that part
<pvh>
aside from protocol labs stuff are there any relatively mature projects using libp2p i could look at for reference? my digging in NPM didn't turn much up
<pvh>
if not, i have to say that i'm really impressed by the thorough documentation
<Icefoz_>
I should understand libp2p better... where can I go for the documentation?
<whyrusleeping>
pvh: yeah, there are a few, openBazaar is using go-libp2p and go-ipfs, livepeer is using go-libp2p, mediachain was using go-libp2p, and a few others that i'm not remembering at the moment
<whyrusleeping>
oh, i remember dfinity and a few other blockchain groups are looking at using go-libp2p
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<pvh>
whyrusleeping: i'm having some trouble running the examples for the content/peer routing; do they work for you?
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<dryajov>
hmm.. interesting, it is indeed the kad-dht module ;)
<dryajov>
let me try running them my self
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<pawn>
Is the IPFS project's goal to be the primary decentralized communications protocol? Similar to how HTTP is implemented on every machine; is the idea that IPFS would be running in the background and be the gateway for decentralized communication for the world(s)?
<pawn>
With a pubsub, this means we could add real-time decentralized communication between all computers!
<pawn>
Idk what I'm saying, but I guess I'm just getting a vision (as always)
<whyrusleeping>
pawn: yeah, thats part of the plan :)
<pawn>
whyrusleeping: Awesome! I'm so in with this idea
<whyrusleeping>
also something something content addressing merkle-world-domination
<whyrusleeping>
:)
<pawn>
I think IPFS is a more practical world changer than other decentralized projects.
<pawn>
whyrusleeping: lol
<pawn>
How can I be full-time involved with the development of this project and sustain this thing called a "living" haha
<whyrusleeping>
pawn: i definitely recommend starting by coming to the weekly all hands, filing issues, and getting a feel for the community
<pawn>
weekly all hands?
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, every monday at 9am PST, we have a community video call
<whyrusleeping>
its a place to get to know everyone around here, introduce yourself, and see what people are working on (as well as share what youre working on)
<pawn>
How do I join with that?
<pawn>
Do I just log on to IRC at 9am and wait for a link to be shared to a google hangout or something?
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<pawn>
whyrusleeping: ?
<deltab>
yep
<Kubuxu>
pawn: we use Zoom, so you might want to install it beforehand
<Kubuxu>
and on Monday a link to join will just be shared.
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<waffle_>
Hello folks. I have virtual machine running IPFS and I already added a file, but it seems like I cannot retrieve it with the gateway or using cat on another computer. How can I troubleshoot it?
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<voker57>
waffle_: try `ipfs swarm peers` to see if you're connected to network
<voker57>
by running IPFS, do you mean you run `ipfs daemon`?