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<philip_rhoades>
People, I just started getting into IPFS and thought I would ask a first question: from what I have read and watched so far, it seems like IPFS is a more appropriate vehicle for storing legal contract information (not necessarily "smart" contract information) than a blockchain because a blockchain doesn't contain the actual data but is just an immutable pointer to where the actual data resides? Is there anyone here looking at the legal con
<philip_rhoades>
tract storage side of things?
<r0kk3rz>
philip_rhoades: indeed ive though about putting electronically signed legal contracts on ipfs, and then putting the hash onto a blockchain to give it a timestamp of some kind
<r0kk3rz>
*thought
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<r0kk3rz>
ipfs isnt really required though, you can just multihash the document and store that instead
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<philip_rhoades>
r0kk3rz: So how would the original document be recovered in that "multi-hash" setup?
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<r0kk3rz>
well you need to store it somewhere safe, but you need to do that with IPFS anyway its not magic
<r0kk3rz>
but the point is that you can prove its the right document by hashing it
<philip_rhoades>
r0kk3rz: Sure, but I thought the point of IPFS is that once it is stored on that system then as long as it exists on at least one node, then it is immutable and available forever?
<r0kk3rz>
well its available as long as a node can provide it
<r0kk3rz>
it would be interesting to have a corpus of law on ipfs though, then you can refer to different legislation via hash
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<philip_rhoades>
r0kk3rz: Well in the sense that an asteroid doesn't wipe us out or we destroy the environment, then if the IPFS thing works then a doc will "last forever" in the sense that a hash in the blockchain will last forever . .
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<r0kk3rz>
ipfs is a bit more fragile than blockchains though, since every node in a blockchain stores the whole chain
<philip_rhoades>
r0kk3rz: Yes . .
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<philip_rhoades>
r0kk3rz: But if IPFS got REALLY big and widely used it would be comparable . .
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<r0kk3rz>
not even then, but thats not really the point
<r0kk3rz>
like network size doesnt really matter, its number of nodes hosting a thing
<r0kk3rz>
but you could have each party in the contract hosting it somewhere for the lifetime of that contract
<philip_rhoades>
r0kk3rz: I don't know what you mean - if IPFS was very big but couldn't guarantee that a file would not be available from one day to the next - why would anyone use it? Yes, I am thinking of a situation where maybe dozens of people or even hundreds in a group would have nodes with the same information . .
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<philip_rhoades>
r0kk3rz: The comparison I am using (maybe this is not reasonable) is Google Drive - I put file on GD to share with maybe 10 others - and just say it is immutable (ie people only have view access) - then I want an equivalent of that . .
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<r0kk3rz>
being a p2p system ipfs cant guarantee anything like that
<r0kk3rz>
the guarantee (if any) comes from the people hosting the data
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<gts>
philip_rhoades, its more like a torrent - if there's no one hosting it - the file becomes unavailable
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<gts>
s/hosting/seeding
<xloem>
Hi #ipfs; I recall one of those new ipfs video sites discouraged people from staying logged in when viewing using a normal gateway because the cookie would be shared with other ipfs sites and could be stolen. Wouldn't a solution be for the gateway to allow subdomain urls, such hash.ipfs.io/file.html?
<philip_rhoades>
gts: Right . . so there needs to be at least ONE node with ALL the files for the scenario I am thinking of (legal contracts) . .
<gts>
philip_rhoades: exactly
<gts>
and this applies to all scenarios :)
<lidel>
xloem, correct, that would set the proper origin, limiting cookies etc to that one root CID
<lidel>
but would obfuscate ipfs paths
<Zimsky>
xloem: what site was it?
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<Kythyria[m]>
lidel: Not really obfuscate?
<Kythyria[m]>
Yes, it means content written assuming that it's being loaded on a machine where `/ipfs` has IPFS-fuse mounted on it breaks, but that will happen anyway.
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<Kythyria[m]>
Basically you either need to "obfuscate ipfs paths" or change what browsers consider an origin.
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<lidel>
Kythyria[m], Origins are case-insensitive, so you can't use Base58 CID, there are plans to default to Base32 CIDs, I think, that would enable 'subdomain use', see https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/4143
<Kythyria[m]>
Ahh.
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<lgierth>
yeah that's what we want to do
<lgierth>
$cid.ipfs.somedomain.org
<lgierth>
and same for ipns
<lgierth>
it's also required to protect legit content from malware on the gateway
<lgierth>
e.g. we've had problems with stuff on dist.ipfs.io being blacklisted because of some trojan under ipfs.io/ipfs/
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<gts>
Rudde, then make a cheaper one :)
<Rudde>
They exist
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<Rudde>
I could just port it all to amazon and have a cheapers service turning a profit
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<Alpha64>
i find it hard for filecoin to be competitive against that
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<gts>
Rudde: AWS is costly. No? There are many cheaper alternatives for this sort of applications
<gts>
*applicatino
<gts>
shit
<Rudde>
That's true, used amazon as example to point out how expensive they where
<Rudde>
Too bad IPFS is bascially illegal for Norwegian coreparations to use, because to government regulations having high demand on data control
<Alpha64>
why would it be illegal
<Rudde>
We have to have way too much knowledge of where our data is located, what individual people have access to touch the machines they are stored on and who can look at it (even encrypted)
<Rudde>
Yes, cloud storage is a headace to deal with as it is
<Alpha64>
sounds like a nightmare
<Alpha64>
rebel
<gts>
:)
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<Rudde>
Well, we got a sweet deal with microsoft
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<ChrisMatthieu>
It's official. The Computes.io team is no longer supporting our cloud-based (centralized) distributed supercomputer platform. All new development is focused on our new decentralized distributed architecture powered exclusively by IPFS technologies - not blockchain!
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<Icefoz_>
ChrisMatthieu: Looks cool but needs to be easier to find what I can actually do with it as a developer. :-P
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