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<JCaesar>
Hm. I gave IPFS a memory limit of 200MB. Results in a crash about every 10 minutes. I wonder if that's a problem…
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<deltab>
JCaesar: which version?
<JCaesar>
0.4.12 it says.
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<JCaesar>
(I set the memory limit in the systemd unit file, with MemoryMax, just in case that matters…)
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<voker57>
I don't think I ever saw IPFS use that little memory
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<JCaesar>
well, for the first 10 minutes after startup…
<whyrusleeping>
JCaesar: yeah, 200MB is a bit low right now. We're hoping to hit sub 256MB in the next several releases, but right now its ~1GB
<astronavt>
whats preventing ipfs from turning into the equivalent of a giant torrent network, where the altruistic few are basically "seeding" everything
<JCaesar>
ouch. :)
<astronavt>
is its real use case for private, fault-tolerant distributed networks?
<voker57>
don't see any reasons why it can't be a giant torrent network. except for no really accessible interfaces right now
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* Kamilion
certainly won't admit to having a large amount of anime hashed and pinned for 'personal use'
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<JCaesar>
As long as you don't announce those hashes anywhere, I guess it will stay personal use…
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<JCaesar>
Kamilion: btw, did you use --nocopy?
<Kamilion>
let's just say I didn't make them myself; and that I received them pre-hashed.
<Kamilion>
or at least, they were hashed when I got them, just in a different way...
<JCaesar>
ic
<Kamilion>
and yes.
<Kamilion>
they appear to be raw
<JCaesar>
Hm. I wonder if you ever ran into any errors like 02:54:34.121 ERROR commands/h: Failed to get block for zb2rhd854pxhecxDRweA7jYcnSKgYJtVodWgwbrrh3aFeRn1T: open /data/goecam/17-01-01/c-1483225211.jpeg: permission denied client.go:247
<JCaesar>
(i'm kinda trying the same thing right now…)
<Kamilion>
yep.
<JCaesar>
any solution for that?
<Kamilion>
aye, the problem is "permission denied"
<Kamilion>
a filesystem error
<Kamilion>
change the filesystem permissions
<Kamilion>
i have the ipfs daemon running as it's own user; so i'd just chown -r in case something else touched a file
<JCaesar>
Mmmh, tricky. The file is 444 and not owned by ipfs. I'd like to keep it that way…
<Kamilion>
enjoy unix permission hell
<JCaesar>
plus, with the first 10GB, this was not a problem. it only becomes one, once ipfs crashed for the first time…
<Kamilion>
it's not fun.
<Kamilion>
just a consequence of the user model
<Kamilion>
you could also potentially use group membership to get around it
<JCaesar>
ipfs is running as root in that docker container… hm.
<Kamilion>
ah, then you should be able to pass more uids to map.
<Kamilion>
and you can then join the outer mapped uids into a group
<Kamilion>
then the group permissions will apply instead of the 'other' / world permissions
<Kamilion>
thankfully, docker doesn't do a very good job of isolation in some cases
<Kamilion>
and/or allows pinholes to be popped somewhat arbitrarily
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<JCaesar>
Kamilion: yay. I messed with the uids and it worked. thank you. I flat out didn't believe it even could be that, because it always worked after I wiped out the ipfs data…
<Kamilion>
Sure. filesystems can be a pain sometimes.
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<appa>
So I'm using ipfsapi with python to run some code, it looks like I could possibly connect using a node other than localhost, but when I try it fails. I noticed 5001 is only open on localhost, can someone point me to where I can change that?
<appa>
basically I'm trying to avoid running IPFS on a raspberrypi (but it'd be helpful for how I'm using IPFS in a cluster)
<Icefoz_>
appa: one sec
<Icefoz_>
appa: In ~/.ipfs/config there's an "Addresses" section
<Icefoz_>
Which specifies, among other things, what address the API interface listens on
<appa[m]1>
Can I add more? I'm using an ssh tunnel work around
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<appa>
ah that worked, thanks!
<appa[m]1>
I've built a clustered program that uses ipfs to pass large data chunks by passing the hash strings over a thin line C2 channel
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<JCaesar>
btw, is a published hash automatically pinned?
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<deltab>
JCaesar: adding automatically pins
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<JCaesar>
deltab: But I haven't added that hash. It's my ipfs-files root.
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<JCaesar>
And I'm continuously updating that, by adding subsubfolders…
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<magneto>
Hi there, I've got a question concerning multihashes and base58 encoding. i'm trying to get a better understanding of both. If I understand properply, a multihash is encoded in base58. The first two characters 'Qm' represent respectively the hash function type and the hash length (after goes the hash). My question is when I try to decode 'Qm' (using a base58 en/decoder) I should have a byte array containing
<magneto>
[0x12, 0x20] but this not the value returned instead I've got an array [0x17, 0x2c]
<magneto>
So am I missing something?
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<deltab>
magneto: the length of what follows also affects it: if I decode a multihash, remove the last byte, and re-encode, I get 6PLYYKz7mqKbuQhYnjdU757Kbu3soUNCQ2Q1v7G2hUJNq
<magneto>
deltab: sorry I didn't get what you mean
<deltab>
you only see Qm because of the length of the whole hash
<deltab>
if you encode [0x12, 0x20] alone you get 2P1
<deltab>
if you encode [0x12, 0x20, 0x20] you get 767Z
<magneto>
I wasn't clear myself: I don't understand why in the base58 bitcoin alphabet (the one used by ipfs if I'm right) the character 'Q' has the value 23 (in decimal), '0x17' in hexa and not '0x12' as expected of the hash func type table
<deltab>
you can't take the digits separately like that because 58 is not a power of 2
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<magneto>
deltab: I see
<magneto>
so you telling me that a base58 encoded data is not a succession of bytes?
<deltab>
it is, of course, but you can't decode them independently
<deltab>
consider numbers written in base 10, such as 2837
<magneto>
ok ok I got it ! thank you very much
<magneto>
yeah of course
<magneto>
got it
<magneto>
So I can convert the base58 number in base10 and then have the bytes in hexadecimal (for example)
<deltab>
you can tell instantly that it has 2 of 1000, 8 of 100, etc.; but convert it to binary and you can no longer do that
<magneto>
I see thank you very much
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<yuhl>
how do you do to find content over ipfs ? Any helpful link ?
<deltab>
there's no search built into the network, so you have to get links from elsewhere
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<atmoz>
Any good articles on ipfs usecases?
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<Magik6k>
#ipfs-dev
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<atmoz>
What is the point of this channel, then? I don't want to code, I want to use it.
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<seancjscherer[m]>
somebody pointed at this https://peerpad.net/#/ earlier - as an example of an application running on ipfs. I can't remember if that was meant for you or not :P
<seancjscherer[m]>
If had the time to do it, I would set up my personal (or not so personal) website to run with ipfs - the idea being, that in theory if anybody rehosted it, that would be adding bandwidth for people browsing the site.
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<AphelionZ>
hi, is there any documentation on how to enable https on my hosted IPFS API / Gateway?
<AphelionZ>
like with a Let's Encrypt cert maybe?
<Encrypt>
\o/
<AphelionZ>
hi!
<seancjscherer[m]>
@atmoz:matrix.org: Ditto for very big files (which I eg might want to host for users of the Kaldi Speech recognition engine) - anybody want to help out with hosting, they could just host / pin it, and they would be adding their bandwidth to mine :).
<AphelionZ>
@Encrypt can I PM you?
<seancjscherer[m]>
Course, till that'll actually be happening is still a while off
<Encrypt>
AphelionZ, About what? :D
<AphelionZ>
my question above
<AphelionZ>
how to serve the ipfs API and Gateway over https
<Encrypt>
I've never done so, I'm afraid
<AphelionZ>
I thought that's what you were \o/ ing about, but I realize you were just doing that because I accidentally mentioned you :)
<Encrypt>
AphelionZ, No, you HL'ed me, eh eh :P
<AphelionZ>
ok... I'd love some guidance from the room about how to do that
<Encrypt>
Yeah
<AphelionZ>
thanks anyway :)
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<AphelionZ>
is it possible to use the API to add data to IPFS via AJAX?
<AphelionZ>
via /api/v0/add /
<AphelionZ>
?
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<AphelionZ>
figured it out :)
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<deltab>
AphelionZ: put Caddy in front of it as a proxy
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<toppler>
Has anyone reached out to youtubers and asked if they'd be willing to have their content on IPFS?
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<MrSparkle>
that might quickly turn into a why bother when youtube will host for free and well enough all things considered
<miflow[m]>
No, with the adpocalypse etc. , Ipfs will be a very good alternative, but as of now it's just a little to early -> dtube eg isn't feature film enough
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<miflow[m]>
Featureful*
<neuthral>
Hello, my ipfs daemon keeps shutting down on both my main pc and vps server
<neuthral>
im using the latest 0.4.13 version btw
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<deltab>
neuthral: how are you starting it? are there log messages?
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<neuthral>
"floodsub: error reading rpc from <peer.ID cjvXsT>: connection reset"
<neuthral>
its showing that for a lot of peers
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<neuthral>
could it be because im using --enable-pubsub-experiment?
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<seancjscherer[m]>
toppler: I don't know if you can search by it, but some videos are described as libre licenced (eg Creative Commons by-share alike). I'd have to go searching myself though now, not got any examples handy...
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<toppler>
seancjscherer[m]: Ah, sweet. I'll look for those.
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<seancjscherer[m]>
Good luck :) !
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<toppler>
seancjscherer[m]: :) I've got the feeling that most youtubers aren't that up on this sort of copyright stuff, especially those who've considered DMCA takedomns.
<toppler>
Ohhhh..that's awesome. I was hitting ipfstube to demo this stuff.
<Elon_Satoshi>
toppler: what's awesome? I missed it
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<toppler>
Elon_Satoshi: d.tube
<Elon_Satoshi>
looking it up
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<Elon_Satoshi>
is it okay to use ipfs to host pictures instead of imgur, or could that get too complicated for some?
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<toppler>
Elon_Satoshi: I'm doing just that, by giving them the ipfs.io link.
<toppler>
It's not ideal. I don't want them downloading stuff from the same central server.
<Elon_Satoshi>
Yeah... I encouraged them to download IPFS themselves, but at the end I suggested replacing localhost:8080 with ipfs.io if they can't install it or something.
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<Elon_Satoshi>
Hey ericnoan
<Elon_Satoshi>
Hey erictapen *
<Elon_Satoshi>
sorry eric noan
<atmoz>
I wonder how much traffic ipfs.io takes
<toppler>
Elon_Satoshi: My attitude now is that I'm happy if I can get enough geeks that I know personally on board. I don't need the average Joe on board.
<seancjscherer[m]>
d.tube seems a little - shady to me... (but then so do most things cryptocurrency to me)
<seancjscherer[m]>
And of course, Youtube is far from wonderful ....
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<Elon_Satoshi>
toppler: let them use ipfs.io
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<Elon_Satoshi>
I'll let them*
<toppler>
seancjscherer[m]: I don't care too much about the social part just now, and the earning money part. My favourite youtubers live on patreon donations, not ad-revenue. I just want their content on IPFS.
<toppler>
Elon_Satoshi: My friends are geeky enough to run their own IPFS daemon.s
<toppler>
*daemons
<Elon_Satoshi>
Well so do I, but I just link to what I upload using ipfs.io for the average joe.
<Elon_Satoshi>
What's to running an ipfs daemon except running `ipfs daemon`?
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<Elon_Satoshi>
I'm signing up to dtube. It looks cool.
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<seancjscherer[m]>
toppler: Sorry, didn't mean to make an off hand judgement (though I guess I was...). I guess I'm critical of (even if in the "mainstream" this is seen as rather uncritical) the NSFW content (again - I've not acually checked it out / looked at that, so I don't know what is hiding behind that label). Perhaps its the "uncensored" bit that I'm not so happy with... whatever, I didn't intend to judge harshly from just a
<seancjscherer[m]>
passing glance.
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<seancjscherer[m]>
205 Million for Filecoin (ico, as people call it) ? Ah well...
<seancjscherer[m]>
I guess if that ends up getting IPFS developed further, there's not too much harm in that ...
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<AphelionZ>
Ok, I have a question about an use case + implementation - we have an auto-backup functionality in our app that pushes a zip file to IPFS every 6 hours or so. The hash is stored in localhost. Is there any way to associate the hashes with their public key on the backend so that we can retrieve it in the event that their localstorage gets wiped/
<AphelionZ>
i know you can do folders in IPFS but I still think it's all based on the contents of the folder
<AphelionZ>
I'm hoping for a use case where a user supplies their public key and then I can go on the backend and find their latest hash for them
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<lgierth>
sounds like IPNS to me
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<AphelionZ>
lgierth: do we have a longer-than-24-hours lease yet? :D
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<lgierth>
you can cache ipns entries yourself on your side though
<lgierth>
if you keep track of them anyway
<AphelionZ>
well I'm just thinking of a case where a user leaves the app and doesnt come back for 6 months or something, we'd still like to be able to retrieve their data
<AphelionZ>
but maybe we can have some backend process that keeps the leases warm every 12 hours or something
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<lgierth>
the client the users use updates an ipns entry, you poll it regularly -- if the user is gone for 6 months there's nothing to do anyway?
<AphelionZ>
yeah so we just need to poll it on the backend, yeah?
<lgierth>
yeah that should work
<AphelionZ>
ok thank you!
<seancjscherer[m]>
ugh, looking more closely at protocol.ai makes me want to vomit. Let me take back that "if it ends up getting IPFS developed further, then no harm" statement
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<seancjscherer[m]>
I really like the idea of IPFS, but there are things broken far more badly then how the internet works...
<lgierth>
how nice
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<seancjscherer[m]>
I know. But yeah, that's how it made me feel, sorry. I've been quite enthusiastic previously... (I guess I kinda tried to ignore the filecoin / cryptocurrency side of things)
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<seancjscherer[m]>
Its cool to work on improving tech things. But riding on a broken system (profit maximising markets) to do so... in the end, most of the worlds people are not really going to be better of, regardless the size of improvement made to internet infrastructure.
<seancjscherer[m]>
Sorry, not sorry for rant.
<Kythyria[m]>
So it would be better to not try to improve anything?
<seancjscherer[m]>
I doubt we're going to get anywhere discussing this but:
<seancjscherer[m]>
It would be better trying to improve more important things
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<voker57>
do you visit every open source software channel and persuade them to drop software development and improve more important things?
<Kythyria[m]>
No. We're not going to get anywhere, because that's basically the "you aren't solving the problem I think most important" argument.
<seancjscherer[m]>
/ improve the system you're working in, rather than just taking advantage of its broken aspects
<Kythyria[m]>
Have fun doing that without money.
<miflow[m]>
well, can you maybe link the articles youve read so we can understand your concerns?
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<seancjscherer[m]>
kythyria: in that view, injustice due to income inequality can never be overcome
<Kythyria[m]>
Oh, that argument.
<seancjscherer[m]>
I think we probably don't share worldviews, so we don't have a basis to discuss upon
<lgierth>
Kythyria[m]: bit more constructiveness
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<Kythyria[m]>
I suppose at some point you're going to claim your political views are on topic in all contexts or something like that.
<lgierth>
seancjscherer[m]: i think that's the view where the conflict of capital vs. labour is the only relevant contradiction to solve?
<lgierth>
that'd end up as only a small improvement if many other contradictions aren't taken care of as well
<seancjscherer[m]>
lgierth: thats close to the mark if I want to be generous. I'd rather say that its something that always needs to be kept in mind
<lgierth>
what is it that you think ipfs is trying to solve?
<lgierth>
just doublecheck you're getting the whole idea
<lgierth>
*doublechecking
<seancjscherer[m]>
> that'd end up as only a small improvement if many other contradictions aren't taken care of as well
<seancjscherer[m]>
Not sure what you're reference is to here - my view, or protocol lab work ?
<seancjscherer[m]>
Ok, IPFS - I guess what I view it as being good for may not be identical to what your idea of it is.
<lgierth>
i tried to somewhat follow through with your "more important things" sentence. you seem to imply there's only a select few things in the world that are worth working on
<seancjscherer[m]>
My view would be that it makes it really easy for people to share content - website like, or archives. Anybody can "lend a hand" hosting
<lgierth>
the idea is to be much much more than just a glorified file storage network
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<lgierth>
if you look at many of the problems of the internet, many of them trace back to how content is addressed: by its domain name and path, and its retrieval transport
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<seancjscherer[m]>
lgierth: No, I guess thats not really what I meant to say. I guess my point is tradeoffs - like I said, I've been quite enthusiastic for IPFS. I guess I kinda draw the line at developing it if that means playing along with profit maximising companies as if there was zero problem with that.
<lgierth>
oh there sure are problems with that :)
<lgierth>
a registered company has pretty strict rules, compared to voluntarist non-commercial projects
<seancjscherer[m]>
Look, I don't even doubt that you are uncritical, but sleek corporate website looks (and sounds) different...
<lgierth>
view it as a new funding model
<lgierth>
ok but the thing with the website is a pure matter of taste
<seancjscherer[m]>
I don't think you're going to buy me / win me over
<lgierth>
what kind of look and tone is it missing?
<Kythyria[m]>
So basically your argument is that IPFS won't solve any problems so long as someone is aiming to make money off of it, regardless of the actual technical details?
<seancjscherer[m]>
kythyria: No, I don't think I said that, and I certainly didn't mean it
<Kythyria[m]>
"I guess I kinda draw the line at developing it if that means playing along with profit maximising companies as if there was zero problem with that." <--- this sounds a lot like that.
<seancjscherer[m]>
But I'm not enthusiastic about projects that basically embrace the broken economic realities the majority of the worlds population face
<seancjscherer[m]>
And that was my impression just now
<Kythyria[m]>
And... how does IPFS do that, besides having a website that looks "too corporate"?
<lgierth>
filecoin for example will significantly lower the barrier to getting a slice of what today is amazon's cake
<Kythyria[m]>
Look at the actual details of what's happening, even open source projects toot their own horns far too much.
<seancjscherer[m]>
kythyria: not really, cause its not saying IPFS won't solve any problems, just that I don't support developing it at "that price"
<Kythyria[m]>
The price being, someone is out to make money off it?
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<Kythyria[m]>
If that's your criterion, then that limits you to basically only irrelevant things.
<lgierth>
seancjscherer[m]: this organizational structure is what we believe sets us up best for making sure ipfs doesn't just get developed, but also widely deployed
<seancjscherer[m]>
For me, the cryptocurrencies are by and large bubbles akin to shares - so I'm pretty skeptical of that. I'll admit that I've not had a good hard look at them, though
<Kythyria[m]>
It's a lot like saying you don't support any FOSS licenses because they rely on copyright to work.
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<lgierth>
view the huge group of investors of filecoin and protocol labs as a huge network of people and orgs that open all kinds of doors
<lgierth>
Kythyria[m]: hehe good analogy :>
<lgierth>
it's not black and white
<miflow[m]>
as long as ipfs is open source anyone can do anything with it, independent of who works on it
<seancjscherer[m]>
> The price being, someone is out to make money off it?
<seancjscherer[m]>
Either your not getting my point (or, and I'll not assume this, you're misrepresenting me)
<lgierth>
there can be usages of existing things that are a hack and make new things possible: e.g. FOSS is a hack of copyright law
<Kythyria[m]>
And I'm largely ignoring filecoin: the way I see it, Amazon will still be the 900 pound gorilla when it comes to hosting, just because they already have huge infrastructure they can redirect to running IPFS nodes.
<lgierth>
and token networks are a hack of profit motives that make new economic structure possible
<lgierth>
i'll be off -- have to get through this package dependencies thing
<lgierth>
see that you get somewhere with the discussion :)
<miflow[m]>
ipfs is/can fully be independent of filecoin
<Kythyria[m]>
seancjscherer: Why do it and _not_ take it seriously?
<seancjscherer[m]>
But we're not going to end up agreeing..
<lgierth>
seancjscherer[m]: we absolutely are serious about filecoin. is there anything that made you doubt that?
<seancjscherer[m]>
No, quite the opposite - which was what I found a bit revolting....
<seancjscherer[m]>
Look, I've had the idea of running money up from investors for an open-source idea, and then just crashing them - if that's your drive, sure :). But I had the impression you're taking filecoin seriously...
<seancjscherer[m]>
Thanks for talking
<lgierth>
one of the big goals with filecoin is to bring ipfs to a critical mass
<Kythyria[m]>
"Look, I've had the idea of running money up from investors for an open-source idea, and then just crashing them" <--- sounds scammy.
<lgierth>
*critical mass of adoption
<seancjscherer[m]>
Maybe in 5 years I'll take a softer view (I guess it depends on how things play out to an extent)
<lgierth>
you'll still be able to use ipfs without filecoin just fine
<lgierth>
the market is opt-in, so to speak
<seancjscherer[m]>
kythyria: Sure - but either having millions of dollars inheritence at birth or zero (or even better, debt) seems pretty scammy to me as well :P
<Kythyria[m]>
Filecoin is basically meant to be to IPFS like things such as S3 are to HTTP?
<seancjscherer[m]>
lgierth: kythyria I did see that (filecoin as leverage for IPFS). Still, I wouldn't do that, I guess
<miflow[m]>
filecoin aims high at amazon, google etc clouds, it needs these amounts to obsolete them
<miflow[m]>
img
<lgierth>
well it's what be believe is the best strategy :)
<miflow[m]>
imo
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<seancjscherer[m]>
kythyria: reg - scammy; why play nice with a system that doesn't play nice in the first place ?
<lgierth>
simply because it's obviously not a very sustainable strategy
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<Kythyria[m]>
(and probably not a legal one either)
<miflow[m]>
also filecoin isnt intendet to change the economic bases
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<seancjscherer[m]>
Guys, it was my immediate reaction I was describing above, I'll come back tomorrow after I've slept on it. I'm still pretty skeptical, but, as I said from the onset, we don't need to end up agreeing
<seancjscherer[m]>
kythyria: Have a look at Owncloud, nextcloud. I don't think that was intentional, but the way that played out is what my "idea" looked like :P
<miflow[m]>
we are a open community, so if you come up with a better way Yell it at us
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<seancjscherer[m]>
lol
<seancjscherer[m]>
right :)
<miflow[m]>
if it is feasible :O
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<seancjscherer[m]>
> simply because it's obviously not a very sustainable strategy
<seancjscherer[m]>
mistype, or referring to "non money backed strategy" ?
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<seancjscherer[m]>
I can see that IPFS may never have taken of otherwise.
<seancjscherer[m]>
I'll admit that
<seancjscherer[m]>
Anyway, I really got to go now also. Thank you for staying civil, even if I started pretty crude!
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