<CosmicSound>
ChrisMatthieu: are you interstred in helping me deploy IPFS for the public
<CosmicSound>
Backed by my cloud
<ChrisMatthieu>
I'm crazy busy building computes.com - just taking a little break :)
<CosmicSound>
yeah
<CosmicSound>
me too I work on openstack now proxmox ceph storage
<CosmicSound>
ohmy
<CosmicSound>
compute love the idea
<CosmicSound>
IBM had a tool to grasp power and give it to computation in Schools.
<CosmicSound>
They still do it, and mostly everyday the unused ressources from PC would go there for computation, sort of passive bitchain scanner in your pc. :) ofc computation can be used on any way one can see.
<CosmicSound>
ChrisMatthieu: anyhow great idea...
<CosmicSound>
I would love to help you if you need something from my computation
<ChrisMatthieu>
Thanks!!
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<CosmicSound>
yaw ping me here on my ZNC
<CosmicSound>
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<void9>
please help me figure out how to add a folder with --nocopy on windows :D
<void9>
i'm stuck
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<CosmicSound>
ChrisMatthieu: what you would recommend to a standalone IPFS? Should I go with Debian or Ubuntu
<voker57>
void9: I think only way is to have .ipfs and folder on same disk. you can also try hardlinks
<voker57>
also you can try linking C:\d -> D:\ and addong C:\d\movies, that worked for me on linux
<voker57>
if .ipfs and folder are on the same disk and it still does not work, I think it's a bug and you can report it on github
<voker57>
(not sure why --nocopy cares about roots so much)
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<void9>
when I try to do hard link: The system cannot move the file to a different disk drive.
<void9>
added QmcSbMEVsUGoKZvRR7yXMzSYZJiDwq7PvG5B6xjKtWmtmq movies
<void9>
0 B / ? [---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------=]
<void9>
this is the soft link
<void9>
same for /J link (directory junction)
<void9>
Error: cannot currently read symlinks
<void9>
that's the contents of that hash
<voker57>
does it work with directory that's actually on C:?
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<void9>
let me see
<CosmicSound>
:)
<void9>
hard linking seems to work, but it can only be used on the same disk, so it's useless
<void9>
soft link and directory junction don't work
<void9>
so i'm stuck again
<voker57>
you should report the issue on github
<voker57>
windows linking problems aside, that's not how filestore should work IMO
<CosmicSound>
Yup
<CosmicSound>
report might be a issue more people will face
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<void9>
no option to override having files outside the filestore root?
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<void9>
and I still don't get how the $IPFS_PATH is supposed to work. I read that somebody managed to add files using that
<void9>
"Random anecdote, I've added over a terabyte of data across many different files and folders via nocopy, utilising symlinks in the IPFS_PATH without issues on Windows (outside of issues relating to filestore commands that aren't implemented yet). I made a shell extension for Windows that makes a symlink of the target's parent folder and this is the primary method I use for now."
<void9>
please translate?
<voker57>
void9: link .ipfs/D, ipfs add .ipfs/D/movies
<voker57>
link ,ipfs/D -> D:\ *
<void9>
you mean ipfs add --nocopy --recursive?
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<voker57>
yes
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<void9>
D:\>mklink c:\Users\sgm\.ipfs\d d:\
<void9>
symbolic link created for c:\Users\sgm\.ipfs\d <<===>> d:\
<void9>
D:\>mklink /J c:\Users\sgm\.ipfs\dJ d:\
<void9>
Junction created for c:\Users\sgm\.ipfs\dJ <<===>> d:\
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<void9>
hmm the /J one worked
<void9>
the soft one is just like a shortcut it seems
<void9>
any option to speed up the hashing?
<void9>
--raw-leaves bool - Use raw blocks for leaf nodes. (experimental).
<void9>
is this supposed to be on or off ?
<voker57>
which ipfs version are you using?
<voker57>
that's on if you use --nocopy
<void9>
ipfs version 0.4.12
<void9>
and if i don't use nocopy it's off?
<voker57>
yes but you can turn it on manually (and you probably should)
<void9>
daaaaamn
<voker57>
i mean it's automatically on if you use --nocopy
<voker57>
no need to add it to command line
<void9>
so people who just add with no nocopy get different hashes for the same files, vs ppl that do?
<voker57>
yes
<voker57>
don't think there's much to speed up the hashing aside from increasing pc performance
<void9>
that's... disastruous
<void9>
and no raw leaves hashes the data + something else?
<voker57>
it's experimental i guess
<void9>
they should switch it back on by default asap. what is the reasoning behind this?
<void9>
:O
<voker57>
yeah no raw links creates wrapper chunks for each block i believe
<void9>
so raw leaves only hashes actual file data, right ?
<void9>
hashing on raid0 disks is slower than my internet connection
<void9>
:D
<voker57>
for me cpu is bottleneck somehow
<voker57>
poor crypto optimization i guess
<void9>
it's single threaded as I see.. so, that's the problem
<void9>
takes 4.5 hours to hash 1.16tb :\
<voker57>
you can also use different algorithms and chunking algorithms atm it all changes links
<voker57>
partial content addressability
<voker57>
i hope there will be canonical hashing mode soon
<void9>
damn. they really should think this through before progressing much further. cause when it will be used by many people, you don't want 10 hashes for the same file
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<victorbjelkholm>
JCaesar: yeah, currently it is, we're working on making it faster. Currently, best practice for doing dns + ipfs is to use the ipfs hash as the dnslink value instead of ipns
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<Kythyria[m]>
You can update the dns entry, so you don't need the updateability of IPNS so much?
<Kythyria[m]>
(modulo misbehaving resolvers that cache for too long)
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<dlobi>
I missed something: what do I pay for storing data on IPFS?
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<Kythyria[m]>
The cost of running the nodes you set up to pin it. IPFS doesn't have a built-in mechanism to store your data on someone else's machine automatically.
<victorbjelkholm>
Kythyria[m]: exactly, use mutability of dns instead of ipns for now
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<victorbjelkholm>
dlobi: think of ipfs like http, just a protocol. Then you can pay others to host your content (services & filecoin in the future) or setup your own node to share
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<dlobi>
is there a browser extension for handling ipfs urls in browser?
<JCaesar>
Kythyria[m]: The problem is that then I need to give that ipns container access to my dns server. They're on completely different machines with completely different security concerns…
<JCaesar>
Bind has a mechanism for that, and I'm already using that. But if I recall correctly, the key setup wasn't exactly easy, and I'm not exactly sure its flexible enough for this.
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<boop>
hey guys... first of all congrats on the crazy amount of dough you raised in the ico.
<boop>
second... i've been following ipfs for ages now... and i keep thinking about something that i've never been able to really answer. if i add something to ipfs, e.g a file. i have a hash for it. does it automatically start getting propagated to other nodes? or does someone else have to search for it first in order for it to be replicated on another node?
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<r0kk3rz>
data is only transferred on request
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<deltab>
you could send a message to other nodes asking them to request it, using e.g. ipfs-cluster
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<deltab>
and with filecoin you'll have a way to both pay them for it and check that they're doing it
<atmoz>
Does other nodes cache the content, if someone downloads the file? If I start my own node, have I 100% control of what is stored on the node? Let's say I pin only one file, is that all that is stored and transferred from that node?
<deltab>
yes
<atmoz>
What happens if one file suddenly becomes very popular, and only one node has that file. Must other nodes manually pin that popular file, to be able to reduce load on that initial node?
<deltab>
if you have the hash for that file: otherwise you'd have to request the directories on the path
<deltab>
caching is automatic, so the content will spread out across nodes that have requested it
<deltab>
if they don't pin it, in time it'll expire from their caches
<atmoz>
Ah, so it is cached when downloaded, naturally
<atmoz>
So a popular file will not take down a node, because the network will cache the file on the node that downloaded it and they will serve it, just like BitTorrent?
<deltab>
yes
<atmoz>
Thanks. That makes sense
<atmoz>
Anyone using ipfs in production?
<atmoz>
I guess not, but I hope we can soon, because these features are so awesome, I can't wait
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<r0kk3rz>
ipfs is still in 'most fast and break stuff' mode, not quite open for business yet
<r0kk3rz>
but you can do some fairly cool things already
<whyrusleeping>
I wouldnt say thats entirely accurate
<whyrusleeping>
moving pretty fast yes, but not breaking anything
<whyrusleeping>
we actually take a great deal of care *not* to break anything
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<atmoz>
Are there any personal project that I can enjoy? Like syncing my stuff between laptop and VPS? Is that usable/recommended?
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<seancjscherer[m]>
I like IPFS, but I don't see the great advantage you'd be getting out of it for that... Why not use Unison or something like that ?
<seancjscherer[m]>
(ps, I only have a half-baked understanding of IPFS, and have not really used it myself !)
<seancjscherer[m]>
hmm, I guess content addressable is neat - in case your renaming / moving folders, thats ture!
<seancjscherer[m]>
*true
<r0kk3rz>
yeah better to use syncthing
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<boop>
yea am curious as well about use in production and for what purposes? replacing s3/blob-store?
<boop>
also, curious if you guys have shifted development efforts to filecoin after the ico?
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<deltab>
I think that's next year
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<whyrusleeping>
We've actually increased the number of people working on ipfs since the sale, and have several people working on filecoin. I'm spending a portion of my time on filecoin work. Mostly spec writing, experimentation and research, and hiring.