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<drew55>
hi gents! new guy here but old dev. currently feeding my head on pubsub...
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<drew55>
just got through the Aug 2017 filecoin whitepaper. turned today into an IPFS r&d day. :\ had an orbited/pubsub question. any links outlining pubsub operation? trying to access how solid and serious that subsystem is.
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<drew55>
'preciate the msg @haad. Doing a deep dive into higher performance pubsub-like functionality. potentially looking to author something higher performing for collaborative editing
<drew55>
the red flag i'm seeing around ipfs' pubsub are best summed up by it's 'floodsub' nick :\
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<haad>
drew55: absolutely. there's definitely room for better algorithm and floodsub was always considered "first implementation" while being aware of its limitations
<haad>
drew55: would be awesome to get contributions for pubsub! cc stebalien daviddias whyrusleeping ^
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<drew55>
I head a small realtime data visualization company soundspectrum. if you've seen the itunes built-in visualizers then you've seen earlier stuff we've made. looking into ideas of doing ipfs-based realtime visualization of low-latency interactive datasets (e.g. city planners for our regional burn here in Austin TX using our software to logistically plan events). if there's any burners here, particularly from SoCal or Texas, please shoutout
<daviddias>
thanks to pedrot for writing all of that :D
<haad>
drew55: orbitdb is a database on IPFS using pubsub. slightly more than a shell for pubsub :) same for peerpad and its components.
<drew55>
yeah, sorry, don't mean to slight orbit. it's all super amazing. just trying to zero in on what it would look like to pipe larger amounts of data around, even with a plussed-up impl of pubsub
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<haad>
drew55: no worries, didn't take it as such, just making sure the complexity is understood when looking into all the different projects and parts :)
<haad>
drew55: do you have a number to put on "larger amount of data" in your use case?
<haad>
pubsub is pretty performant in certain use cases (or topologies), but it's a simple primitive so you may have some desired properties that pubsub doesn't have yet (for example, message ordering and delivery guarantees)
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<drew55>
Well, as my gears are turning in my head, i'm seeing a pubsub (fully realtime) model and then there's what i'd call a git-like approach where the user "commits" changes they're happy with. imagine generals in different HQs submitting their composite modification to their CO on what the plan should be. or, event planners/rangers working logistics plan for a major outdoor recreational event. the idea being that collaborators already have a organizational
<drew55>
cooperative structure in that planner [i] will work and edit on items she's been predesignated for. said submitted changes would be modifications/additions/deletions to existing data sets.
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<daviddias>
re: on crypto benchmarks
<daviddias>
ec25519 will always be faster than RSA
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<daviddias>
good to have that in mind
<daviddias>
on benchmarks for libp2p-crypto, they are right there in the repo
<haad>
daviddias: currently using secp256k1 in orbitdb but ec25519 should be fine (and want to get rid of the "extra" crypto lib since we already have libp2p in orbitdb)
<haad>
thanks!
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<haad>
drew55: sounds like a database would be suitable for what you describe. I was trying to get in idea of what in your case would be "large amounts of data" as in 1 change/sec from 1 peer, 1k changes/s from 1k peers or 1M changes/s from n peers?
<haad>
...but it depends on your data model too :) you could also use a combination of pubsub and IPNS and a "plain IPFS object" (DAG), too
<haad>
fwiw, I think there are plans to use pubsub for IPNS to have faster updates (correct me if that's not the plan anymore)
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<JCaesar>
I have three questions, but from the top: If I add a file to ipfs, it will be copied to ~/.ipfs, right? Can I somehow avoid that? I have a bunch of static files on disk which I intend to never change, but want to stream to some other machines of mine. I simply don't have the disk space to keep two copies of all of them, but I'd like to keep the plain files. Is there some solution for that?
<voker57>
JCaesar: yes, you can use ipfs add --nocopy
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<JCaesar>
nice. :)
<JCaesar>
Second: Is there a thing I can use to ensure that at least n pins of a list of files/hashes always exist on some node of mine?
<voker57>
what do you mean by n pins existing? you need only one pin on something
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<JCaesar>
I'm thinking about something like backups. Say I have four nodes and want to keep each file on at least two of them. problem is that I "create" new files on all four of them, so staying in control of what gets backed up to where is a bit tedious. I'd just like to say "keep this file" on one node, and a second one with the least storage shortage will replicate it. (that's how I imagine it right now, but if yo
<JCaesar>
u tell me "there's xy which does just the thing", I'll be happy, too.)
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<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: can you update the topic to point out that the rc2 is ready?
<whyrusleeping>
Also...
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<whyrusleeping>
Hey everyone! Just a reminder that 0.4.12-rc2 is released and ready to try out! If you're on 0.4.12-rc1 this should contain a couple small bugfixes, but if youre on 0.4.11 or earlier, this should have a *very significant* impact on the performance of your ipfs node
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: do /topic and it'll be right there in the text panel
<whyrusleeping>
ooooo
<whyrusleeping>
thats magic
<Kubuxu>
what text panel?
<Kubuxu>
aah, I thought it opened text panel for you
<Alpha64_>
ipfs key gen should play chiptunes
<whyrusleeping>
Alpha64_: PRs accepted
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<Icefoz_>
How many bits is the hash of an IPFS object? 128?
<Icefoz_>
I know a CID is like 46 characters of base58 but there's some other stuff in there too.
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<drew55>
what's ppl's preferred js IDE here? i come from the desktop dev world (xcode, MSVS) and looking for suggestions. i don't mind paying $$ for a quality IDE
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<Icefoz_>
drew55: I thought MSVS could do JS just fine.
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<pjz>
drew55: js? With the build system landscape so complicated, and the debugger usually being browser tools (either console or a plugin), most js devs I know just use their favorite editor: vim, textmate, emacs, whatever.
<drew55>
well, syntax highlighting and such is in mode editors. i was interested in an IDE that does some level of introspection so that learning an existing codebase is easier. i've been a desktop dev on win32 and os x for 15 years, but new to js. loose/informal/non-strict typing across an entire project codebase is scary to me. i'd love all the help from an IDE as i can get
<pjz>
the real value-add of an IDE is the integration of edit-build-debug... but since that's so variable in js-land, your favorite editor will do fine. Or use it as an opportunity to use one of the big two: vim or emacs
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<pjz>
drew55: any good editor will have plugins or equivalent-by-another-name for syntax hilighting and maybe linting
<r0kk3rz>
intellij is quite reasonable
<drew55>
@pjz yeah, i meant that syntax highlighting is indeed everywhere like you said -- it's the integrated introspection that's helpful to me.
<drew55>
will def check out intellij, thx
<drew55>
so scary to me to consider working with and extending a codebase that's all runtime typed. it seems so loose cannony
<miflow[m]>
Atom is awesome too,
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<pjz>
drew55: helps that most things are explicitly imported
<r0kk3rz>
drew55: you might want to look at TypeScript then, its like JS but has types
<pjz>
drew55: or, yeah, if it's a worry poke at TypeScript, which compiles to js... see my above comment about a complicated build system landscape :)
<drew55>
cool, will look at typescript.
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<miflow[m]>
There's also elm, which is funtional
<drew55>
if anyone is interested in a skills trade with dirtect3d, hlsl, , ogl/glsl, cocoa/objC, swift, high performance graphics programming & arch, win32, or python shoutout. my vision and intention is to develop some realtime ifps content and navigation visualization software. hence, my interest in orbitdb and pubsub as a means to go way richer with realtime or batch collaboration (via a GUI)(
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<drew55>
or if anyone wants to chat further on what i listed in the context of ipfs, i'd love to get a google hangout going etc
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<miflow[m]>
Sounds nice, but I gotta pass.
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<miflow[m]>
Btw. Y'all warn people about "recursive adding" omiting hidden files, thought for a sec, I found a hash collision.
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<miflow[m]>
I'd prefer it adding them by default, if it is already supported
<pjz>
miflow[m]: use -H
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<miflow[m]>
Thx, I know that now, but it broke one of my projects for a bit
<miflow[m]>
I'm satisfied if it is mentioned in the --help doc
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<massino>
Hi, I'm having some trouble with the p2p subcommand and trying to dig deeper, but struggling to find resources online. Is there a documentation I overlooked, or maybe a project using p2p listeners/streams successfully, so I can see how they do it?
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<massino>
Specifically I'm trying to figure out how well p2p supports NAT traversal. If I have 2 ipfs daemons, both connected to the public swarm, but without direct IP connectivity between them, can they still communicate using `p2p listener` and `p2p stream` ?