<Steverman>
If I get ICE server errors with a signal server. What is the problem?
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<noresult>
quick question; how does ipfs compare to freenet? ipfs seems to be permanent storage and not "forgetting" like freenet. does ipfs distrubute encrypted blocks across many local stores, like freenet does? is there anonymity in ipfs? etc. etc.
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<voker57>
noresult: there's no anonymity built-in, and ipfs does not automatically proparate your data, somebody must choose to distribute something
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<noresult>
voker57: thanks
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<abbiya>
anyone foresee using upspin to name things in ipfs ?
<Icefoz_>
abbiya: Never heard of upspin but it looks cool!
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<Steverman>
I just talked to my professor at my university. My p2p live streaming project intrigued him so much that he will include IPFS in his next P2P course next year
<Steverman>
Fun fact: He hates block chain technology, but IPFS proved him wrong, as it works and is actually used
<r0kk3rz>
well ipfs isnt blockchain so thats ok
<Steverman>
No, but it is used. Am I wrong on that part?
<r0kk3rz>
theres a few projects that use it
<Steverman>
Either way! Any js-ipfs folks here? I have to showcase my project tomorrow, but I am having problems with webrtc-star
<Steverman>
Something about ICE server
<r0kk3rz>
Steverman: are you doing live recording?
<Steverman>
Yep
<r0kk3rz>
oh cool, do you have your code somewhere public?
<Steverman>
It is not public for now, and I'm afraid I can't release it for academic reasons... for now
<r0kk3rz>
thats ok, just curious
<Steverman>
It doesn't scale well because of the current situation with webrtc
<Steverman>
And I believe it's a fully connected mesh network for browsers
<Steverman>
I'm thinking of using the master repo as my last ditch effort in order to use websockets, but I am not sure if it's ready
<Steverman>
websockets-star*
<r0kk3rz>
why do you need webrtc? you arent using ipfs for transport?
<Steverman>
How else can viewers (browser) transfer dat
<Steverman>
data*
<Steverman>
And discover each other
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<Steverman>
I could add them all to bootstrap, but that's tedious
<r0kk3rz>
ah, thats how js-ipfs works, ive not really used it myself
<Steverman>
They're moving away from that
<r0kk3rz>
id love a non-js version of the same thing though
<Steverman>
webrtc is really unstable for NodeJS
<r0kk3rz>
seems a perfect fit for streaming + recording conference talks
<Steverman>
Another problem is the high resource usage
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<M-biostasis>
Can someone explain me for what IPFS uses DHT and DAG. What values stores dht under key (and what is used as key) since specs says that value can be anything. What is queue?? I understood that it search for the nearest peers, but nearest to what? To geo of node? DAG is complete mystery. Is it used for IPNS only or it have something to do with files too? And what is passing as values? (not very familiar with JavaScript that
<M-biostasis>
used as examples)
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<r0kk3rz>
M-biostasis: i suggest you watch some of jbenets talks about how IPFS works
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<M-biostasis>
Thanks. I will.
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<LokimikYason[m]>
Так
<LokimikYason[m]>
Я здесь
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<gitblame>
hi
<gitblame>
is anyone here
<lime_>
Yes
<gitblame>
hello
<lime_>
Hey
<gitblame>
is there any documentation of the go-ipfs repo for developement @lime_ ?
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<lime_>
Like a 'how to contribute'
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<M777mms36[m]>
Would anyone here be interested in helping me build a decentralized social media network??
<M777mms36[m]>
Message me if so
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<gitblame>
yeah
<gitblame>
because the difference between py-ipfs and go-ipfs is incomprehensible
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<gitblame>
so im assuming @lime_ that that doesnt exist?
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<gitblame>
hi
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<Steverman>
How do I find out which format this is in? f5eff15a-ae5e-4c0f-ae1c-25d511a502c9
<lgierth>
that's a uuid
<Steverman>
I am just trying to find out who's downloading/uploading to who
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<Steverman>
Does libp2p-websocket-star-rendervouz act as a relay?
<Steverman>
I can see in the logs that it's sending Buffer data
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<mkg20001[m]>
Yes. Every buffer gets sent to the rendezvous server and the server sends it to the other client
<mkg20001[m]>
And the connections get established by creating pull-streams by (ab)using the events in a creative way http://npm.im/socket.io-pull-stream
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<Steverman>
mkg20001[m]: But that doesn't mean if I send 1 GB file, then 1 GB goes through the relay, does it?
<mkg20001[m]>
yes
<mkg20001[m]>
also with socket.io it's a bit slow
<Steverman>
Better than webrtc
<Steverman>
:(, so I can't use this for p2p live streaming, as my relay server will get bombarded
<Steverman>
Unless you mean that 1 GB doesn't go to the relay server
<Steverman>
And I suppose it doesn't have that scalability problem webrtc had
<Steverman>
If I add multiple servers, then does that increase by x amount of servers added?
<mkg20001[m]>
what do you mean exactly? peers? memory?
<lgierth>
mkg20001[m]: so is ws-star basically the same as webrtc-star, but without STUN and SDP? the readme is a bit vague about what it actually does :)
<Steverman>
Network activity
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<mkg20001[m]>
lgierth: it's basically moving traffic a -> server -> b -> server -> a using socket.io
<mkg20001[m]>
Steverman : No the networkactivity dependes on the amount of peers that is being transferred between the peers
<lgierth>
so it's a relay included?
<mkg20001[m]>
on the amount of data*
<lgierth>
what's the difference to /p2p-circuit over a /ws transport then?
<Steverman>
Alright
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<Steverman>
Would you recommend adding two servers for redundency?
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<mkg20001[m]>
Steverman: yes, but you can only create a connection through a single server
<Steverman>
Alright :)
<mkg20001[m]>
lgierth: the difference is that the releay didn't exist when I created ws-star (at least not in js - not sure about go) and it gives the client an address that it can be dialed on instead of making other peers dial it first. also discovery doesn't exist in circuit.
<lgierth>
mh ok
<lgierth>
it would be better to do only discovery then, and defer the actual connection to /ws and /p2p-circuit
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<lgierth>
it's generally a good idea to decouple transports from discovery, not just in this case
<lgierth>
ok but actual practical question, can i run multiple p2p-websocket-star rendezvous servers and balance the load? or will the have split brains?
<lgierth>
e.g. imagine that ws-star.discovery.libp2p.io would be back by 5 instances
<mkg20001[m]>
no it creates the connection using only one server although it can listen on multiple
<Steverman>
I was wondering if multiple users has a file (that is chunked), and if someone requests a file that everyone has. Will the files be sent by multiple users?
<Steverman>
Like torrents
<lgierth>
e.g. peer A connects to instance 2, and peer B connects to instance 4, they won't meet, right?
<mkg20001[m]>
yes
<lgierth>
mh that's a problem
<lgierth>
that pretty much means we can only run one instance of it at ws-star.discovery.libp2p.io
<mkg20001[m]>
will have to look into that. but I'd rather recreate the whole thing using just bare websockets and protocol buffers because socket.io isn't making it faster.
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<lgierth>
here's my proposal: make it do only discovery, and let the /ws transport and /p2p-circuit take care of connectivity
<lgierth>
any rendezvous server will be a connectivity bottleneck otherwise
<lgierth>
by design
<lgierth>
the discovery would emit /p2p-circuit/ipfs/QmFoo addresses, and that's something you can dial
<lgierth>
ok gotta go, a few errands to run
<lgierth>
i can explain more later
<daviddias>
lgierth: that's part of the plan
<lgierth>
ah this thing isn't finished?
<daviddias>
let me get you some links
<lgierth>
good good
<daviddias>
yeah, exactly
<daviddias>
essentially, to do that we need to update libp2p to have a structure that enables a transport can use other features of libp2p
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<lgierth>
mh?
<daviddias>
give me a sec
<daviddias>
just finishing a convo, will come back to explain it better :)
<lgierth>
cool cool
<lgierth>
i gotta run anyway :)
<daviddias>
I see. Your proposal is on the direction we are headed :)
<lgierth>
another thing to look into would be a generic discovery protocol on top of swarm/host, so that any rendezvous server would just be a regular ipfs node
<lgierth>
the end goal of every such *-star or rendezvous server must be to get rid of it
<lgierth>
weeee, lars out
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<mkg20001[m]>
oh and btw websocket-star has a cjdns address ws-star-signal-h.servep2p.com
<toppler>
whyrusleeping: Sorry for the delay. On the "block service is closed error": I have the daemon running, and am still getting the error. But it was managing to add more and more files on reruns and I've now got the whole thing to go through.
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<gitblame>
is anyone online?
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<gitblame>
hi rodolf0
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<chiui_>
http://127.0.0.1:8080/ipns/ipfs.io/ link "blog" at bottom page is broken: says ipfs resolve -r /ipns/ipfs.io/blog/: no link named "blog" under QmVrLsEDn27sScp3k23sgZNefVTjSAL3wpgW1iWPi4MgoY
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<gitblame>
@leeola hi
<leeola>
Is that a bot? Why is it pinging people on join lol
<gitblame>
no just a user
<leeola>
Ah, lol my apologies. "gitblame" sounds like a tool/bot :D
<leeola>
Hello
<gitblame>
it is the missing feature in git
<gitblame>
do you work on js-ipfs?
<leeola>
No
<gitblame>
go-ipfs?
<leeola>
I don't work on IPFS
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<gitblame>
what do you work on then?
<leeola>
Is this a job interview?
<gitblame>
no
<gitblame>
i just have questions about the structure of js-ipfs and go-ipfs
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<leeola>
I'm not going to be able to answer those questions, sorry. Best of luck
<gitblame>
ok then
<leeola>
Post your question and be patient, best you can do :). Don't ask to ask, etc
<gitblame>
is the column on the right active users?
<leeola>
Most likely, no. Just users in the room.
<gitblame>
ok
<leeola>
Depends on your IRC client, of which I have no clue ;)
<Steverman>
mkg20001[m]: if I add a bootstrap server, will it bypass the relay?
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<mkg20001[m]>
It connects to the bootstrapper directly over ws, no ws-star inbetween
<mkg20001[m]>
btw i have connectivity issues right now
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<Steverman>
Alright :)
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<Steverman>
Yeah, 50 MBit wasn't enough for my RPI
<Steverman>
(Raspberry PI)
<Steverman>
Too bad about the relay though!
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<Steverman>
I really wish I could offload the distribution server
<Steverman>
for my streaming service
<Steverman>
Now I just moved the problem to the relay server
<mkg20001[m]>
there is already a more than perfect solution for your problem that i'm working on that would allow browser nodes to connect to "normal" nodes using plain websockets without releay: https://github.com/mkg20001/libp2p-nodetrust . but letsencrypt won't issues wildcard certificates until 2018 so you would have to wait some time.
<mkg20001[m]>
you could also use p2p-circuit to connect to other browser using the bootstrapper nodes but currently there isn't a way to discover them too
<victorbjelkholm>
mkg20001[m]: what's the subdomain supposed to be? The node ID? Need to find a encoding that is case-insensitive in that case, and probably split it up in two subdomains as well
<voker57>
pengo: not sure what do you mean by "having a regular name" and by "ipfs proxy". ipns addresses can resolve to ipfs addresses if one is published
<voker57>
this link does not resolve via console for some reason though: Error: no link named "I" under QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco
<pengo>
nice
<lgierth>
pengo: ipfs.io is the same go-ipfs daemon as localhost:8080, except there's nginx in front of it for ssl
<pengo>
(nice apart from this particular example not resolving anyway)
<lgierth>
ooh that's weird
<pengo>
is that a bug?
<Jo__>
pls help :(
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<Jo__>
I want to create a complete ipfs website so badly
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<lgierth>
pengo: aha - interesting - yes that's indeed a bug. `ipfs ls /ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/I` works fine, and `ipfs object links /ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/I` doesn't
<lgierth>
pengo: would you mind filing an issue in github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs for that?
<pengo>
sure, all i do lately is file bug reports :)
<lgierth>
pengo: and give it high prio
<lgierth>
hah i know the feeling :)
<lgierth>
oh i know what it is
<lgierth>
pengo: mention HAMT and `ipfs object links` :)
<lgierth>
HAMT is a special data structure for large directories (e.g. wikipedia), and `ipfs object links` doesn't know how to handle that
<lgierth>
Jo__: have you tried any of the other examples?
<lgierth>
pengo: btw, `ipfs resolve -r` should work fine with almost any other ipfs hash -- it's just that the wikipedia archive uses that special large directories data structure
<pengo>
yup that's what I thought
<lgierth>
pengo: and `ipfs ls` should do what you want too
<pengo>
ah
<pengo>
really just trying to get my head around how this all works
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<Jo__>
lgierth All the other examples require me to run a nodejs server or a go client