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<massino> It doesn't look like the multiaddr spec supports local domain sockets... Does that mean it's not possible to eg. configure p2p streams to connect to, and listen on, domain sockets?
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<whyrusleeping> massino: we can definitely add unix domain sockets to multiaddr
<whyrusleeping> We just havent done it yet
* massino adding to my contribution todo-list :)
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<lgierth> they are specced but not implemented, iirc
<lgierth> it's /unix/path/to/socket.sock
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: how would one do ipfs over that?
<lgierth> doesn't have to be ipfs over that
<lgierth> can be /http or anything
<lgierth> i was just saying you can have /unix multiaddrs
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: i know, i'm asking how you would nest them?
<whyrusleeping> /unix/path/to/socket.sock/ipfs/QmFooBar ?
<lgierth> ah, got it - we're still discussing that in multiformats/multiaddr#54, but it'd be some syntax
<lgierth> e.g. /unix/:/path/to/socket.sock/:/ipfs/QmFoobar, or /unix{/path/to/socket.sock}/ipfs/QmFoobar
<whyrusleeping> ah
<whyrusleeping> gotcha
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<lgierth> same issue whenever you have values that can contain slashes, e.g. /http/example.com/some/file.txt
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<whyrusleeping> right
<lgierth> eeh better example: /http{/example.com/path/to/wsHandler}/ws/ipfs/QmFoo
<whyrusleeping> yeah
<whyrusleeping> thats the tricky one as i remember it
<lgierth> they way we do /ws currently can't address a ws endpoint at a specific subpath
<lgierth> same for addressing something *within* a unix socket
<lgierth> i've become a multiaddr nerd over the years
<whyrusleeping> i love it
<lgierth> ah, and there's a third option, simply escaping slashes
<lgierth> so we have a type option, a syntax option, and an escaping option
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: how hard would it be for me to deploy a custom version of ipfs to biham?
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<lgierth> not hard at all
<lgierth> just need a hash
<whyrusleeping> mmmkay
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: mind doing the exp/sync-concurrency branch?
<lgierth> ok!
<lgierth> that one could be worthy of a config setting (with boundaries)
<whyrusleeping> yeah, if this pans out then definitely
<whyrusleeping> either that, or an option some other way (like a flag?)
<whyrusleeping> ideally we shouldnt have to tweak it and it should just be smart about things
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<lgierth> better be able to tweak it, the best value for it is dependent on what data you're dealing with and what your resources are
<lgierth> biham: ref changed from b5794c4 to 22255db
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: is 172.31.32.20 a public range ip?
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<Icefoz_> whyrusleeping: Nope.
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<whyrusleeping> hrm...
<Icefoz_> 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 is private
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: if youre up, i pushed another change to that branch. we were limiting the concurrency elsewhere too
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<lgierth> biham: ref changed from 22255db to f1af17c
<lgierth> whyrusleeping: ^ :)
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: <3
<whyrusleeping> so, when using a bitswap session, the optimal strategy is to shove as many requests into it as possible and let it handle the rate limiting
<whyrusleeping> previously, the code calling bitswap had to kinda manage that to prevent things from getting out of hand
<whyrusleeping> so the next step is to make the merkledag.GetMeAGreatNumberOfThings type calls just call `GetBlocks` as fast as possible
<whyrusleeping> then we need to have blocks we receive get batched and written in parallel somehow
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* lgierth zzz
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: gnite!
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<drew55> been thinking lots on to dovetail pubsub equitable machiny into filecoin. cachers get rewarded methinks? a speculation on what traffic will be most popular in the near future
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<drew55> caching is a market?
<drew55> caching is an important and resource requiring utility
<drew55> * machinery
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<anon136> oh hey cool. so glad this is a thing!
<anon136> i was like hey you know i bet there is a freenode chatroom for ipfs and sure enough
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<anon136> well anyway i need a hash to test out to see if my server is working properly. does anyone know a good resource for this?
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<Icefoz_> anon136: Just add a file or two to IPFS and get the hash from that.
<anon136> Yea but I dont wanna pull a file from my own machine. Whats the fun in that? Anyway I found something. QmWenbjgZnA6UguLtmUYayS6e7UQM7woB15zuEymSRRMoi im guessing its that free blender video with the rabbits
<Icefoz_> There's always QmQaUQyi48kTC77bzYhk1zqKCVpTVg6oddgxue8kg3n3q1
<Icefoz_> Which is the IPFS binary
<anon136> Should I be afraid?
<anon136> lol oh
<Icefoz_> oh man
<Icefoz_> one of the terrible side-effects of IPFS
<Icefoz_> Rickrolling people will become harder. ;_
<Icefoz_> ;_;
<anon136> freedom has never been free
<Icefoz_> True, true.
<JCaesar> about my problems yesterday: I was oom. Guess a GB of RAM was not enough. 1.5GB are slowly running out, too… I'll try two…
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<Icefoz_> On my server IPFS seems to consume between 2-3 gigs fairly reliably...
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<wak-work> Heh mine was using 30GB the other day
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<wak-work> Put it in a cgroup and have it restart when it dies
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<JCaesar> 30GB… I hope that's some kind of cache. That server only has 8, and that's not the only VM I'm running on there…
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<raziellight> wow this channel has a lot of people!
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<Zimsky> half of them are just matrix things though
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<raziellight> the bots have taken over :o
<M-hash> Yep hi bot reporting
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<JCaesar> M-hash: you have an M, but you don't have [m].
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<JCaesar> Btw, is there some nice java-scripty way to get a folder listing if you have an ipfs path?
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<JCaesar> So, take https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmRqjxJj1AP2WTNJfKoWuJKKYCDNdYDWjzSGuTRW4XAadi for example… if I just make an xmlhttpreq to that, parsing the output would be quite annoying. Can I get something that lends itself to parsing a bit more? JSON, or something?
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<JCaesar> I should learn to google better. http://localhost:8080/api/v0/ls/QmRqjxJj1AP2WTNJfKoWuJKKYCDNdYDWjzSGuTRW4XAadi is what I want.
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<miko> hey, I have a qq
<miko> are there currently anyways to browse files on ipfs?
<JCaesar> You mean, like… list everything?
<JCaesar> There is https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYo5ZWqNW4ib1Ck4zdm6EKteX3zZWw1j4CVfKtnAzNdvu/ but that seems to have very limited reach
<miko> right, oh okay i see.
<miko> Another question i have is, are there any file size limits?
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<JCaesar> non that would concern you, I think. There are multi-TB-files somewhere out there…
<miko> wow thats impressive
<miko> so potentially you could use ipfs as an infinite storage system.
<JCaesar> well, you still have to have some node that pins those files.
<miko> How would you know how many seeds, or replications your file has?
<JCaesar> I dunno about that. I suspect that you will know if you read about filecoin. (it's not so easy to prove that you actually have a copy of a file.)
<miko> Ahh yea I was just starting to look into that now.
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<JCaesar> Btw, I wonder about this comment. https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/9#issuecomment-200615719
<JCaesar> Aren't hashes broadcasted all the time?
<engdesart> IIRC, they're broadcasted when pinned/added, to all nodes that one is connected to.
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<JCaesar> That would seem like a rather stupid idea then…
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<raziellight> lol it's funny you ask miko, because i just realized the potential to browze through some ideas and applying those ideas to stuff like zeronet and ipfs
<raziellight> in other words, it's something that i've just begun trying to wrap my head around
<raziellight> a system that is
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<too_lazy_to_choo> Hi all
<too_lazy_to_choo> I am working on a libp2p project
<too_lazy_to_choo> Is there a way to replace the secio part?
<too_lazy_to_choo> Aka implementing my version
<too_lazy_to_choo> Planning to do something like implementing a transport wrapper, but maybe there is a better way?
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<miflow[m]> too_lazy_to_choo: I have little expertise in libp2p, but wouldn't you write an own connection module then
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<chrisdot> hi!
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<miflow[m]> Gday
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<raziellight> i'm trying to understand merkle trees better. anyone know them?
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<r0kk3rz> it a tree made of merkles, whats to understand
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<Kythyria[m]> raziellight: The basic principle is that it's a tree where each node refers to its children by hash (or including a hash).
<Kythyria[m]> Has the nice property that you can sign the root and that indirectly encompasses all the other nodes. You can also extend the principle to a DAG; Git, Matrix, and IPFS all do that.
<Kythyria[m]> The resulting structure is immutable but can reuse identical subgraphs: if any node changes all the nodes pointing to it have to change.
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<raziellight> ya so there needs to be a set number of children before the root merkle is created
<raziellight> and one problem i'm facing is how to validate root merkles if you're going to advertise them as a location
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<raziellight> so in a DAG you have several children. they can converge or diverge, in IPLD there are links. the links go down? but that will constantly change the root hash, which doesn't make sense
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<raziellight> but it is a lot more clear than it was
<raziellight> or there are a bunch of links are created, and then the root is calculated, and it remains permanent
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<raziellight> another thing about dags i don't understand is when you link down(seemingly) you are branching out, so the root must be at the top. but how do you have the root before you know the children
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<Kythyria[m]> You have to start at the leaves and work up towards the root when generating the graph, yes.
<Kythyria[m]> However, once you've done that you can start at the root and descend.
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<pjz> directionality is confusing.
<pjz> I think of new nodes as 'children' of old ones; so child nodes contain the hash of their parents.
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<massino> From the point of view of an ipfs user, how will filecoin affect me? Is it an optional add-on, a new subcommand? Will it require a breaking upgrade? Will it wrap ipfs completely, bifurcating its community? Or hook into it?
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<r0kk3rz> it'll be seperate and hook into ipfs afaik
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<anon136> When I started the daemon it gave me a command like ipfs cat /ipfs/?????????????????/readme. How do I find that hash again? And where is the data that it references being stored on my machine? Is it abstracted out of the files in ~/.ipfs and so purely virtual?
<anon136> Like what is the actual location of the readme that it opens?
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