<dexter0>
Sorry - I did see that. I was referring to the version available through the BSD package manager.
<lgierth>
not sure who's maintaining that, nobody from the ipfs team though
<tray>
Hey all. I'm just evaluating IPFS as a possible filestore for a Steem client I'm building. Can anyone point me to a FAQ or something on comparing cost of using IPFS to something like S3?
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<h[m]1>
I haven't seen anything written on that topic, it seems to be a green territory to explore. But I would very much love to learn what you find out if you volunteer to do that job :-)
<lgierth>
there's pinbit.io and Icefoz_ has a pinning service going on too
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<lgierth>
and there filecoin coming up next year
<lgierth>
*there's
<tray>
haha I mean it seems like a pretty basic question if the idea is to use IPFS for real apps
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<h[m]1>
I'm aware of the services, I meant the cost comparison hasn't been presented as a paper formally, and not even as a blog post, nor anything like that.
<h[m]1>
Well, it's the nature of open source that people have to build things.
<Kythyria[m]>
That would be like presenting a formal paper on the cost of HTTP.
<tray>
And if Filecoin's price is volatile and cost is unpredictable it seems like a barrier for enterprises to get into it
<h[m]1>
kythyria:
<h[m]1>
Not really. The cost in dollars yes, that wouldn't be suitable for a compsci paper, but the performance comparison would. Although the cost analysis could possibly make sense as an economics paper.
<tray>
but knowing there isnt some sort of comparison out there tells me it prolly not a great story
<lgierth>
tray: nah, the goal of ipfs isn't to be cheaper - it's to uprade the internet's core protocols
<lgierth>
and price is by far not the only variable in enterprise decisions
<h[m]1>
No, all that it tells you is that there isn't a dollar-to-dollar comparison and that open source is many people figuring things out in parallel.
<lgierth>
(the goal with filecoin though is to hugely undercut anything else storage-related)
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<Icefoz_>
h[m]1: As someone making a pinning service... The cost of what I provide is going to be limited by how cheap I can buy object storage from Amazon or Digital Ocean or something.
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<Icefoz_>
Unless/until it gets big enough to be worth buying datacenter space of my own.
<tray>
ok cool pinbits.io gives me an idea. Thanks for that!
<h[m]1>
Alternatively, if you manage to convince enough people to run their own nodes without becoming a vector of centralisation (thereby avoiding to defeat the whole point of decentralisation efforts)
<tray>
Well I just want to try it out. If I productize an app then I'll host my own nodes I gues
<h[m]1>
That makes sense
<Kythyria[m]>
> The cost of what I provide is going to be limited by how cheap I can buy object storage from Amazon or Digital Ocean or something.
<Kythyria[m]>
I bet Amazon could easily eat the lunch of everyone who tries that route.
<Icefoz_>
Oh, sure.
<Icefoz_>
But they'd have to care.
<Icefoz_>
Amazon isn't going to be offering IPFS hosting for a while.
<Alpha64>
amazon is expensive
<h[m]1>
Why even try to do better than Amazon eh?
<Icefoz_>
'Cause Amazon isn't actually that good at lots of things.
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<h[m]1>
Some people just happen to feel more secure with a perfectly predictable cost structure, and sometimes they don't believe in their own ability to develop a better cost structure by themselves or don't want to incur in the cost of trying.
<h[m]1>
That makes them a less-than-ideal match for open source things at an early stage of development.
<h[m]1>
If there isn't a clear cost of opportunity to them, that may actually make sense in their case.
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<h[m]1>
Nothing wrong with that, but it would be better if they were aware of their situation.
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<sandro_>
hello everyone
<tray>
OK this has been a super helpful discussion.
<tray>
thank you
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<sandro_>
i've been looking into ipfs for web apps lately, and seems pretty cool
<sandro_>
but i would like to know wheter there is something like ethereum's vm that doesn't charge for every operation
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<h[m]1>
Ethereum on your own network?
<h[m]1>
In a public network, there's FairCoin that uses Proof-of-Cooperation instead of Proof-of-Work. There's Proof-of-Stake based altcoins too, but I haven't tried them.
<h[m]1>
You may delay the cost, or pay the cost some other way, but there's no good network for free.
<sandro_>
i see
<h[m]1>
Ethereum have indicated that they're moving towards Proof-of-Stake however.
<sandro_>
hadn't heard of proof of coop before, i will look into that a bit and then come back, but it is true that cost is unavoidable. It is not the idea to avoid cost, but a pay-per-operation model doesn't seem really attractive to me
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<Steverman>
Is there a way to find out which peer is downloading from me in js-ip? I am having trouble finding out if everyone is downloading from me, or they actually are sharing data between each other too
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<Purplegrapefruit>
Hi
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<Icefoz_>
Purplegrapefruit: Hi.
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<Steverman>
Quick question: I was looking at logs and was wondering what kind of hash this is: bitswap:engine:QmYnatFJ
<Steverman>
The last part
<Steverman>
Oh, parts of your own id
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<Steverman>
Is there a way to see who's retrieving files from me in js-ipfs?
<Steverman>
The logs just shows that someone sends a want list
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<Steverman>
Does ipfs.swarm.peers contain connections who's transfering from you?
<Icefoz_>
Steverman: I think it just shows the connections your node knows aboutt.
<Steverman>
Yeah, I just checked
<Steverman>
I really need to use this feature, but I don't know how
<Steverman>
I got p2p live-streaming up and running, but I don't know if it's just downloading from the distribution server
<Steverman>
And I can't document that it's a p2p unless it downloads from other peers
<Steverman>
The distribution server is part of the network