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<seancjscherer[m]>
My judgement is perhaps a little less harsh now - after reading up in various fora, but still generally holds. Anyway I only have pretty limited time for follow up here right now, so anybody wanting to debate, I suggest do so on the forum. Have a good time otherwise, and good luck I guess!
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<walle303>
Huh
<walle303>
I'm suspecting comcast of throttling IPFS now
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<Fess>
I doubt it, it's really niche
<walle303>
Any time I do anything in IPFS the entire outgoing and incoming throughput drops to 2mbps and the ping times skyrocket on all devices
<walle303>
I can ping google DNS on pretty much any device on the network with 20-40ms latency, but when IPFS is doing any kind of transfer the ping times jump to 1.5-2 seconds
<walle303>
and everything slows down to 2mbps
<Fess>
I'm on comcast and I'm not having the same issue
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<walle303>
Hmm
<walle303>
Other p2p things with comparable peer counts don't seem to have the same effect
<walle303>
Also, if a company was going to start throttling stuff they'd roll it out slowly and hope people don't notice
<engdesart>
At least, in areas in which there is competition.
<walle303>
Comcast could be experimenting with detecting P2P stuff, but that doesn't explain why other stuff seemingly isn't affected
<walle303>
Also, I remember seeing peer counts between 1000 and 2000 before, now it sits around ~250, that could be due to an ipfs update though
<walle303>
Also, on a sidenote, would it be possible to have UDP and ICMP transports in ipfs?
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<joebob>
hello! was wondering if there's a way to completely turn off the bitswap strategy. i.e. allow a daemon to be aggressively, and unconditionally leeched from?
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<pjz>
joebob: have it not request anything
<pjz>
joebob: ipfs only fetches blocks that are requested by a user/client
<Kythyria[m]>
walle303: I remember way back when trying to use bittorrent on a poor connection, and it basically wouldn't work with DHT enabled.
<joebob>
pjz: i understand, i want to /send/ blocks without consideration for their debt ratios or any strategy to deal with leeching
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<pjz>
joebob: ...I don't think there's any consideration of debt ratios at all anyway
<pjz>
joebob: have you read the bitswap strategy?
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<pjz>
joebob: nothing in the docs I found say it cares at all about debt ratios
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<pjz>
joebob: though I could have missed something
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<joebob>
pjz: yeah i'm going over code - there's nothing obvious to me that says its doing any of that. but if you read the paper there's clear vision with cooldown timers, 'preventing freeloaders', ignore requests for outstanding debt, etc.
<voker57>
it looks not really in sync with current go-ipfs implementation
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<pjz>
that's a pretty high-level description
<joebob>
okay, then there is no anti-leeching, tit-for-tat, ratio limiting or any of that in the implementation? is there planned to be? and more to my point - will it have an off switch? :)
<voker57>
there do not appear to be any sharing restrictions currently
<pjz>
which it says it's a priority queue that sorts tasks (blocks to be delivered) by a simple metric aimed at fairly addressing the tasks of each peer
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<pjz>
"More advanced decision logic will be implemented in the future."
<pjz>
so... debt ratios, etc, TBD
<voker57>
there is some basic accounting but it's purely informational
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<Steverman>
how about js-ipfs
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<joebob>
thanks pjz and voker57, indeed with further testing it looks like i'm hitting some weird bug with http gateway. if i just kill the connection after the throughput goes to 0 and immediately restart it i get full speed again. weird.
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<pjz>
I only use the API or the CLI, never the web UI.
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<witten_>
I'm trying to .get or .cat a file's contents with js-ipfs, and the call just seems to be hanging / never calling my callback
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<walle303>
I figured out the throttling I suspected, It turns out ipfs is maxing my upload and misreporting how much bandwidth it was actually using
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<pombreda>
If I want to store ~200TB in ipfs (e.g. https://www.softwareheritage.org/ ) we would need to have pins and multiple nodes that maintain these pins forever, correct?
<pombreda>
jbenet, is this right?
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<JCaesar>
pombreda: That is right.
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<JCaesar>
There is either ipfs-cluster or paid pinning services that could take care of this for you.
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<JCaesar>
That being said, hashing/adding 200TB is going to take quite a bit of time…
<pombreda>
JCaesar, not the primary issue there, but thanks
<pombreda>
JCaesar, there are paid pinning services?
<pombreda>
JCaesar, FWIW, everything in SWH is already in a merkle dag (not IPFS's one, but a dag nonetheless)
<pombreda>
JCaesar, so it has been hashed extensively ... one more time is unlikely a big deal
<JCaesar>
I'm getting the feelin that ipfs is quite a bit slower at that than just hashing… (I was struggling quite a bit with a measly 30GB…)
<tbenett>
I saw a offline mode for the deamon. Does the data added offline is still added the node and requestable by other nodes once an online daemon in spawnned?
<tbenett>
If so, how to disable this behavior? (it's for testing purpose)
<tbenett>
Also, maybe I should seek answers in #ipfs-dev instead?
<victorbjelkholm>
tbenett: no, here is better, #ipfs-dev is for development of ipfs itself. By default the node will announce all content it has at least once per day (reprovider)
<victorbjelkholm>
what is your use case here? You want to add files to ipfs but only let it be accessible by yourself?
<Icefoz>
victorbjelkholm: I did not, thank you!
<tbenett>
thank you! Yes that is right. It's mostly garbage data
<victorbjelkholm>
afaik, that's exactly what --offline does when starting the daemon (preventing ipfs from connecting to any other nodes)
<tbenett>
mostly -> only
<tbenett>
ok I understand what "preventing ipfs from connecting to any other nodes" means thanks. So is there a way to prevent registration/upload of the data itself and still get a multihash? Or a way to flush the registrated/uploaded data when the offline daemon is killed?
<tbenett>
In order to limit the side effects of testing
<tbenett>
from a docker container maybe?
<tbenett>
It should work in theory? If the container itself is deleted
<victorbjelkholm>
tbenett: since your node is connected to any other nodes with the --offline flag, there is no registration or upload to a DHT, so the hash is effectively not broadcasted , it only gets added to your local ipfs repository
<victorbjelkholm>
since your node is not connected*
<tbenett>
victorbjelkholm: however, I added --say file1-- offline and got a hash. killed the daemon, start it with no options and I could make a friend (other computer) request the hash for file1. And that's the issue for me
<tbenett>
because I don't want this file1 to be broadcasted at all
<victorbjelkholm>
hm, maybe this file is not unique in the network? Someone already added it?
<tbenett>
was a /dev/urandom I doubt someone already pushed it :D
<victorbjelkholm>
if you add a unique file, kill the daemon and request it from another node, it's impossible the other node can recreate the file without any online nodes that already has it
<victorbjelkholm>
hm, and two separate ipfs repositories?
<tbenett>
repository? I was on my computer and made another computer cat the hash returned
<tbenett>
and it worked
<Fess>
did you access it through a gateway?
<Fess>
the official one caches stuff for 1 hour
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<tbenett>
Fess: we were on the same network. But I could try right now by using another connection (say, my phone for example)
<tbenett>
Fess: is there a way to disable the cache then?
<victorbjelkholm>
if you visit ipfs.io/ipfs/:hash the gateways will cache it until next gc. So just don't load the hash anywhere else
<Fess>
I was asking if you had tried to access the file through something like ipfs.io, if you had then it would be temporarily saved on their servers and accessible
<tbenett>
victorbjelkhom: thanks
<tbenett>
Fess: I'm gonna try and keep you up to date
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<Fess>
if you didn't do that there's also the slight possibility that the file was saved by peers you were connected to due to the bitswap system. Not likely though
<victorbjelkholm>
Fess: I don't think Bitswap automatically gets/pins
<tbenett>
Fess: how can I request a node using a gateway?
<tbenett>
plz
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<Fess>
it doesn't pin but it can accumulate some chunks which might be enough for a full file if you're lucky
<Fess>
tbenett, you can only request hashes
<Fess>
it's to allow files to move from ipfs->web browsers
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<tbenett>
Fess: ok, I found the way to do it thx
<tbenett>
How/why the gateway is necessary for ipfs to work (if it is necessary)?
<victorbjelkholm>
tbenett: it's just a temporary migration step for remaining compatible with http
<tbenett>
oki
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<Fess>
yeah, for ipfs itself its not actually necessary but it lets you access ipfs content without the ipfs software
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<zenground0>
Kubuxu: thanks for the link. Am I correct that to follow the steps outlined in the link you would need terrabytes or petabytes of local storage (depending on the language you mirror) to download the zim file before adding to ipfs?
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<tbenett>
Fess: Through the gateway worked too
<victorbjelkholm>
tbenett: strange, do you have any automated service or ipfs daemon running on the same network? Just tried doing `ipfs daemon --offline`, then `head -c 2560 /dev/urandom | base64 | ipfs add` and turn off daemon, start with `ipfs daemon` and then check who has that hash with `ipfs dht findprovs` and get zero peers returned
<victorbjelkholm>
and after doing `ipfs pin rm :hash` and `ipfs repo gc`, I can't `cat` the content anymore, so working fine here on go-ipfs 0.4.13