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<natewalck> Is there a way to prefer nodes on the same subnet as yourself
<natewalck> For file transfer and such
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<whyrusleeping> natewalck: currently no, but it tends to work out that way
<natewalck> Is it more latency based?
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<Mahasim> hi
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<mikeshultz> What exactly does the Gateway.Writable setting mean?
<mikeshultz> Does it only apply to API requests? Will it still accept files if set to false? If so, at what level of persistence?
<mikeshultz> Seeing some weird behavior with missing objects and trying to nail it down.
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<Neomex_> in order to use ipfs you will need to purchase some service or it will work with current internet providers?
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<Fess> What exactly do you need it to do?
<Neomex_> wanting to understand how it will work
<JCaesar> Unless you're in some ridiculous place with no net neutrality, it will work.
<Fess> ipfs lets you access specific files using a specific address as long as someone who has shared that file is connected to the swarm
<Fess> essentially, files are indexed by their content
<Fess> not their names
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<Neomex_> and all of that is accessed via regular internet?
<Fess> yes
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<JCaesar> TCP port 4001, to be precise. But the port is configurable.
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<Stskeeps> on a sidenote, we're working on a mobile device w/ ipfs built-in + a few other decentralised technologies at https://zipperglobal.com (this is not about the presale nor meant to advertise, we've been playing with ipfs on mobile since like 2 years, love the technology)
<Stskeeps> basically decentralised technology as a literal out of box experience
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<haad> Stskeeps: are you incorporated in Finland? :O
<Stskeeps> haad: hong kong; part of team are finns, i'm danish, based in poland. best things come from decentralisation :p
<haad> also, this is not from the link ^ but down the rabbit whole, it pains me to read the whitepaper of many projects: "We think that the centralized search engine is more suitable for obtaining the best
<haad> user experience and presenting the value of XX"
<Stskeeps> yeah
<haad> Stskeeps: indeed :)
<Stskeeps> you can get much more creative with pubsub, ipfs and crdts than a centralised service
<haad> <-- finn in berlin
<haad> Stskeeps: oh yes :)
<Stskeeps> do you by chance recall the thing that came after crdts? the 2017 paper
<Stskeeps> something operations based
<haad> Stskeeps: would be great to touch bases with you/your team at some point. there aren't too many decentralized devs in Finland and we have a small group of ppl who try to push the ecosystem and community there
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<Stskeeps> haad: gladly; we have a telegram channel if you're bored at t.me/zipperofficial
<haad> then again, you already have Teemu as your advisor, so that's good :) :+1:
<Stskeeps> ;)
<haad> I'll drop by to say hi
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<r0kk3rz> Stskeeps: operational transformation?
<Stskeeps> it was about an optimization for it, yeah
<Stskeeps> or something
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<haad> that ^ sounds a lot like what we have in OrbitDB, an op-based log as the "source of truth" and then op-based CRDTs on top of it
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<haad> oh! r0kk3rz remember a few weeks ago (months even?) I said something very cool is coming to orbitdb: https://github.com/orbitdb/orbit-db/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#v0180
<haad> :)
<haad> we finally have write-permissions \o/
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<r0kk3rz> oooo so like a scuttlebutt type thing
<haad> one could implement scuttlebut on it now, yeah
<haad> per-user feed or multi-party feeds
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<r0kk3rz> looks cool :) good work
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<haad> thanks
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<ChrisMatthieu> Nice job has haad !
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<pjz> haad: scuttlebutt-like on mobile is a killer app, I think
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<musicmatze> I'd love to have an orbitdb implementation in a native language.
<Icefoz_> Hi musicmatze ;-)
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<Icefoz_> Fancy seeing you here.
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<Steverman> I am a little lost on how to use the http api with js-ipfs through node-js.
<musicmatze[m]> Ah, lol... Nice.
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<musicmatze[m]> Icefoz_: you too.
<musicmatze[m]> Icefoz_: orbitdb sounds like a nice lib as abstraction layer for our idea, right? Although I'd must admit that I'd rather implement things myself than tying myself to web technologies...
<musicmatze[m]> But we're in planning phase, we shouldn't discuss technology yet. Ends in bikeshedding.
<r0kk3rz> obviously you should use rust
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<musicmatze[m]> Yes. Would be my idea, too.
<musicmatze[m]> But I'd implement a native GUI app ... Not a web application
<musicmatze[m]> This means that orbitdb is not an option, though.
<r0kk3rz> who uses native apps anymore for anything?
<r0kk3rz> depends what you're building of course
<musicmatze[m]> Nobody. But with all the vulns in electron and type-unsafety in all web-relevant languages I'd rather go native GUI instead of pain
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<SerkanDevel[m]> Maybe in Qt
<musicmatze[m]> SerkanDevel: I have one comment on that: https://mastodon.fun/@musicmatze/99128010626186816
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<SerkanDevel[m]> Qt as GUI
<musicmatze[m]> (Assuming you mean Qt with CPP of course)
<Icefoz_> musicmatze[m]: Yeah it does, I need to look at orbitdb more. I understand sorta the basics of CRDT's but they seem like the sort of thing that's hard to do Right.
<SerkanDevel[m]> A rust implementation if ipfs would be great
<SerkanDevel[m]> But are there QT-bindings for it?
<Icefoz_> SerkanDevel[m]: For Rust? Sorta. I think the GTK bindings are more mature.
<musicmatze[m]> There are no usable qt bindings for rust AFAIK.
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<musicmatze[m]> There are bindings for IPFS work in progress afaik
<musicmatze[m]> GTK in Rust seems to be the best thing one can have right now.
<musicmatze[m]> And from what I've seen in the docs of the GTK crate, the API is awesome!
<SerkanDevel[m]> But GTK changes it's API alot of times
<musicmatze[m]> You can even use glade to design your GUI and use it from rust
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<Steverman> I am getting Error: connect ECONNREFUSED 127.0.0.1:5002 when trying to connect js-api to js-ipfs (without CLI)
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<Icefoz_> Steverman: Sorry, I don't know much about js-ipfs. ;_;
<Icefoz_> ...though I thought the HTTP API listened on 5001.
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<Steverman> I did too, but I think I need to run the daemon through the CLI
<Steverman> Which is not possible in my case
<Steverman> I need to make graphs :(
<natewalck> Say I have a directory with various subfolders and an IPNS hash published for the root of it
<natewalck> what is the best way to add a file somewhere in the directory structure and have it accessible via the published IPNS hash?
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<musicmatze[m]> natewalck: add the whole directory again and republish the IPNS name with the new root.
<natewalck> Ah I see. So you must have a copy of all the files locally
<musicmatze[m]> Or only the file, if that was your question.
<JCaesar> natewalck: No, not necessary.
<natewalck> This is a common pattern...I'll have 3-4 servers that have all the files pinned
<musicmatze[m]> JCaesar: why not?
<natewalck> and clients will grab them one at a time
<natewalck> but I want any of the 4 to be able to add files and update ipns
<natewalck> I figured out the ipns piece
<natewalck> @JCaesar What if machines only has the one file to add and not the entire folder structure?
<natewalck> I'd have to have all the files on disk 2x (once in the filesystem and once in IPFS)
<voker57> you can edit a folder via ipfs files
<voker57> or dag patch
<musicmatze[m]> JCaesar: you wrote in your answer on SO that one needs to have the files. Here you say one does not need the files...
<JCaesar> I'm not sure what you want to acomplish, natewalck, but I doubt that's necessary.
<JCaesar> musicmatze: My answer is the bottom one…
<natewalck> Directory of files....add one file.....update IPNS to point at new root which includes the new file in the tree
<natewalck> @JCaesar How could I clarify the goal?
<musicmatze[m]> JCaesar: ah, that's great. TIL.
<musicmatze[m]> natewalck: look at the SO answer JCaesar posted
<natewalck> So you'd add the file using ipfs add, then use ipfs files as per your answer
<musicmatze[m]> Most bottom answer
<natewalck> that answer makes more sense :)
<JCaesar> You can actually use ipfs files write -te too, that's quite nifty in some cases.
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<JCaesar> Grr. Five minutes later, I found out how to permalink answers on SO…
<natewalck> this is to replace a rsync style infrastructure
<natewalck> think about it like a classic systems administration setup
<natewalck> web server that hosts files for clients, clients pull down files
<natewalck> and the general workflow is you add new files and metadata, sync it across servers, etc
<natewalck> IPFS makes it more magical and amazing (and easier!)
<JCaesar> That sounds more like a use-case for ipfs-swarm, though…
<natewalck> That is true. We will have "primary" nodes
<natewalck> which pin *all* the files
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<natewalck> and then clients will share amongst themselves and pull down stuff as needed
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<natewalck> For now, we can get by with ipfs add -rw /somefolder
<Icefoz_> Updating single files in that use case is actually very nice 'cause ipfs basically does deduping for you...
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<natewalck> yep!
<natewalck> So much about IPFS makes me just smile
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<Icefoz_> The IPFS hash that describes the whole directory change, but the only thing clients need to fetch is the new metadata and content, everything else stays the same.
<natewalck> solves so many problems I've had in systems administration for many years
<natewalck> (as we all have)
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<JCaesar> Hm, I guess in your case, using PUT requests to the HTTP API might be a better fit, if you really want to "modify" one existing large folder.
<Icefoz_> There's a way to tell IPFS to not store two copies of a file, if I can remember how...
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<natewalck> Its a folder structure.....is this not a common paradigm? Adding a file to an existing folder?
<musicmatze[m]> Icefoz_: what? Not two copies of a file?
<natewalck> even updating a blog on IPFS, you'd need to do this, no?
<Icefoz_> I forget what the option is but I swear someone's mentioned a way to tell it to not bother keeping a redundant copy of the file in the blockstore.
<natewalck> @JCaesar OK, that worked perfectly. I don't 100% understand exactly what we did, but it worked ;)
<musicmatze[m]> Hmmmh... Would it be possible to add a directory to IPFS and add it as subdirectory in two other directories? Should be, as far as I understand, with the files API, right? JCaesar ?
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<musicmatze[m]> Icefoz_: ah, you mean to add a file to IPFS without copying it to the IPFS repository? Yes, there's an option for that afaik
<pjz> I think it's ipfs add -n
<JCaesar> musicmatze: I don't see why it wouldn't be.
<musicmatze[m]> Nice.
<Icefoz_> or ipfs add --nocopy ?
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<JCaesar> Aaaargh. ERROR commands/h: err: read /ipfs/.ipfs/datastore/001202.ldb: input/output error handler.go:285 and in my dmesg… csum failed ino 6789459 off 909312 csum 2309516448 expected csum 1369103023
<JCaesar> How screwed am I?
<natewalck> @JCaesar OK, with that SO answer, if you go to add another file, your /folder already exists
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<natewalck> so it yells at you
<natewalck> do I need to rename the root folder every time I update it?
<natewalck> Or is this something that I should really look into the API for
<JCaesar> Ah, no. You just keep the root folder.
<natewalck> Error: directory already has entry by that name
<natewalck> On this step: `ipfs files cp /ipfs/QmExistingLargeFolderHash /folder-to-modify`
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<JCaesar> well, if you want to modify a different folder, you'll either have to pick a different name or remove it.
<natewalck> It appears that "folder" is local only to the node I ran the commands on
<JCaesar> but if you keep modifying the same folder, there is no reason to re-run that command.
<natewalck> ipfs files ls -l on another node doesn't show it
<natewalck> Yea, its the same root folder
<natewalck> think of it as a yum repo
<natewalck> I need to add an rpm to it
<JCaesar> You just have an ipfs files folder /rpm
<JCaesar> You keep that around.
<natewalck> k
<natewalck> so once I create the initial folder-to-modify, I don't need to do that again
<JCaesar> Indeed.
<natewalck> Perfect
<natewalck> The root folder already exists in IPFS
<natewalck> (and had)
<natewalck> so when you run `ipfs files cp /ipfs/QmExistingLargeFolderHash /folder-to-modify`, is that a local only abstraction?
<natewalck> other nodes cannot see it, etc
<JCaesar> Yup.
<natewalck> Perfect.
<JCaesar> You need to do an ipfs name publish $(ipfs files stat / | head -n1) or something.
<natewalck> This is a solid workflow, now to automate it ^_^
<natewalck> yep!
<natewalck> Ah yea, I have multiple root folders I want to publish independently
<natewalck> (perhaps not necessary?)
<JCaesar> You can have multiple keys for ipns to publish to. But if in doubt, just using subfolders to your root folder may be enough.
<natewalck> Cool
<natewalck> thanks for the help! This solved a few problems with my understanding
<natewalck> So in theory, I could let anyone add one file to the repo following the steps described and publish their own IPNS entry
<natewalck> and they'd have a custom version of the yum repo with all the normal stuff + their one file to test
<natewalck> Brilliant.
<JCaesar> And they don't even need to download the whole repo for that.
<Icefoz_> I wanted to make an apt plugin for distributing repo's over IPFS at one point, never got around to it though...
<natewalck> YEP!
<natewalck> <3
<natewalck> The next thing I need to look at is possibly limiting CPU usage in the service., It spikes to ~ 60% CPU when downloading files and syncing
<natewalck> My developers would murder me if I stole their CPU regularly
<Icefoz_> Has to hash a lot of stuff, I assume.
<natewalck> yep
<JCaesar> Icefoz_: Is that really necessary? Just throw a debian/… mirror into ipfs, and have people put deb http://localhost:8080/ipns/…/magic sid main into their /apt/sources.lst?
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<voker57> [18:15:28] <natewalck> other nodes cannot see it, etc
<voker57> they can, it's stored as any other dag
<natewalck> @voker57 Ah, but not when doing ipfs files ls -l
<natewalck> I guess I'd have to do something to retrieve that relationship?
<voker57> yes, it's not in other nodes' ipfs files
<natewalck> is `files` a local abstraction for humans to interact with?
<voker57> you'd have to scan dht for announced hashes
<voker57> files is a tool for editing DAGs
<voker57> not sure what do you mean by 'local'
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<JCaesar> voker57: Everyone sees their own stuff if they execute ipfs files …, if someone modifies their version, it is not going to be synced over.
<voker57> yes
<natewalck> Its a useful abstraction for tweaking the trees
<natewalck> because most people are used to working in a file/directory mindset
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<natewalck> I just can't say how stupid excited I am to use this in production :)
<natewalck> I don't drink koolaid, generally, but IPFS has gotten me there
<Icefoz_> JCaesar: I tried that, it didn't work, and I never bothered digging into exactly why.
<Icefoz_> Probably made a trivial mistake somewhere.
<JCaesar> I've tried that for archlinux, it works decently. See https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/84
<Icefoz_> I'll have to try again sometime then.
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<natewalck> Thanks again @JCaesar voker57
<natewalck> @voker57 **
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<mikeshultz> Trying to track down why we're missing files that were added with `/api/v0/add`. Any recommendations on where to start?
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<voker57> missing like in not in local blockstore?
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<mikeshultz> yes, not in `ipfs pin ls`, and not fetchable at this point, either.
<Icefoz_> ...Well I have the storage space to burn now, so I guess I might as well give it another go.
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<voker57> you didn't add pin=false to v0/add, right? :)
<mikeshultz> nope.
<mikeshultz> Wish it were that simple
<mikeshultz> They lasted for a significant time, too. Just one day we noticed >50% missing. I should try and date them and see if there's a pattern.
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<mikeshultz> Nope, date seems unrelated. So it doesn't seem like our node had a major issue or anything.
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<natewalck> Alright, I am thoroughly confused. I follow the steps @JCaesar outlined for adding a file and republishing the new root
<natewalck> I also have a single key for updating ipns on 2 nodes
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<natewalck> I went to update the ipns name and got a different hash back for the ipns name itself
<natewalck> (whereas before the ipns name didn't change)
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<natewalck> after doing ipfs name publish, the resulting ipns hash should never change even though the underlying files linked to it have, correct?
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<voker57> correct
<Icefoz_> natewalck: Correct, though I think you have to update the link if you change the files.
<natewalck> In that example, I suppose I am not updating the link correctrly
<natewalck> hrmmmm
<voker57> natewalck: what do you mean by "got a different hash back for the ipns name itself"?
<natewalck> I've added a file as per the gist
<natewalck> then I go to publish it using ipfs name publish
<natewalck> ipfs name publish —key=trustedipns /ipfs/NEWSERVICEROOTHASH
<natewalck> I don't see a way to specify the IPNS hash to update
<natewalck> I know what the ipns hash was, but when I run that command, it is a new one
<voker57> "trustedipns" is name of your IPNS key
<natewalck> Correct
<natewalck> That key hasn't changed though
<voker57> where is "new one"?
<natewalck> I generated the key using ` `ipfs key gen —type=rsa —size=2048 KEYNAME`
<voker57> after name publish your "trustedipns" key should resolve to NEWSERVICEROOTHASH
<voker57> doesn't it?
<natewalck> I'm starting to question reality now ;)
<natewalck> so to be clear, every time I run `ipfs name publish —key=trustedipns /ipfs/NEWSERVICEROOTHASH `
<natewalck> so long as the key hasn't changed
<natewalck> it *should* output the same IPNS hash every time, regardless of which NEWSERVICEROOTHASH it is pointed at
<voker57> yes, first in output is IPNS hash that shouldn't change
<natewalck> Alright. I thought so. Let me add another file using this method and confirm it stays the same. Its possible I had the wrong hash saved on my client test machine
<natewalck> Also, what is the best way to discover hashes if you don't have them?
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<natewalck> do you record the data when a node adds the hash so you can look it up later?
<voker57> discover random available hashes from the network?
<natewalck> correct ;)
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<natewalck> I assume that is kind of against the idea
<voker57> yeah ipfssearch used to parse `ipfs log tail` and watch for announce events
<Icefoz_> ipfssearch?
<voker57> but nowadays you'd need several ipfs node for that
<natewalck> oo, fancy
<Icefoz_> I'll have to check that out sometime...
<natewalck> Ah!
<natewalck> when an IPNS hash expires
<natewalck> does that change the hash?
<natewalck> or just the pointer
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<Icefoz_> It doesn't change anything, it just means trying to look it up will return "not found"
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<natewalck> k
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<voker57> it's java bloatware. best rewritten from scratch.
<Icefoz_> The ipfs daemon that knows about the ipns->ipfs link will keep re-broadcasting that link until you turn it off or change the link to a new one.
<natewalck> So if you have a pinned ipns hash, if the pointed changes to a new root hash, should it automatically download and pin the items therein?
<natewalck> pointer*
<voker57> you can't currently pin ipns hash
<natewalck> Oh
<natewalck> it accepted it ;)
<natewalck> and acted liked it worked
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<voker57> accepted your _ipns_ hash, not /ipfs/ one?
<natewalck> correct
<voker57> hmm weird, did you add your public ipns key to IPFS manually?
<natewalck> ipfs pin add /ipns/QmXLDAmYZKH7EiU4nhimt88FfJnXJvhxWvCGuPNw8xhGZ2
<natewalck> pinned QmW3PM9yJQwgcy9J3Tv6fEYGKaer2HmeWoy77a5vuf3MBU recursively
<voker57> ah
<natewalck> I'm using a swarm.key
<voker57> ok so it won't update with IPNS update
<natewalck> so private
<natewalck> K.
<voker57> it just pinned currently linked IPFS hash
<natewalck> so I could have a scheduled script that does a lookup on it, if the hash has changed, ipfs add && ipfs pin
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<voker57> yeah
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<natewalck> @voker57 Thanks again! :)
<natewalck> I'm going through a list of edge cases and making sure it behaves how I'd expect
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