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<shamus[m]> man, almost everyone in here is from IRC
<shamus[m]> also hi
<whyrusleeping> shamus[m]: there are a lot of matrix users too
<whyrusleeping> we irc'ers feel like everyone is from matrix
<shamus[m]> ahahaha, that's nice
<lgierth> in fact yesterday when matrix was down, there were ~750 people less in here
<shamus[m]> matrix was down yesterday o_o
<lgierth> or the irc/matrix brdige
<shamus[m]> ah
<shamus[m]> makes more sense
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<shamus[m]> so how has IPFS been going recently, haven't been keeping up
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<lgierth> pretty nicely!
<lgierth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK4PIGr3RB8 <- daviddias a few weeks ago
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<shamus[m]> nice, thanks
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<JCaesar> Ah, too bad you can't have a CNAME and a TXT for one domain. Would be so nice to set CNAME to gateway.ipfs.io and TXT to some IPNS and then roll…
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<JCaesar> Hm, this could be done by having the gateway resolve something like $addr.ipns.gateway.ipfs.io as /ipns/$addr. Then you could throw that into a CNAME and have a domain look like a real website just with a single DNS entry. But then again, I doubt this is wanted.
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<witten_> JCaesar: that would put a lot of load on the ipfs.io gateway, and also it would serve as a single point of failure in the network
<witten_> but a neat idea anyway
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<JCaesar> witten_: You can get a very similar effect by using an A record instead of a CNAME. But that will break if ipfs.io ever changes its IP.
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<witten_> JCaesar: not loading for me
<JCaesar> witten_: Hmm. Out of curiosity, where in the world are you, and what does dig -tA gateway.ipfs.io return for you?
<JCaesar> (I didn't configure an AAAA, that might be a reason.)
<witten_> Seattle
<witten_> gateway.ipfs.io.53INA217.182.195.23 gateway.ipfs.io.53INA147.135.130.181
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<JCaesar> Hm, I configured 217.182.195.23 for cameo.liftm.de Weird that it's working for me.
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<witten_> oh, it's loading now
<whyrusleeping> JCaesar: you can use _dnslink.domain.com
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<JCaesar> o:
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<JCaesar> That's really neat.
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<JCaesar> Btw, what exactly is available under /api/v0/…? I was trying something like https://ipfs.io/api/v0/resolve/QmZWmswZnWuKVCdEcxCfSBT6Ch8nMMvWjb8Tbgnutbef3a, but that doesn't seem to work.
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<tbenett_> victorbjelkholm: I performed the steps and couldn't `cat` the hash afterwards. Same as you so guess it's working fine. Thank you very much again. However I've got a few questions. What it's the difference between an `ipfs pin rm :hash` and a `ipfs repo gc` does the later perform a global `ipfs pin rm`?
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<tbenett_> `ipfs daemon` comes with the `--enable-gc` option and I expected it to work like a `ipfs repo gc` --say after catching a SIGTERM/SIGKILL on the daemon-- but it doesn't seem to do so.
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<JCaesar> tbenett_: pin rm will remove hashes from the pin list. repo gc will remove blocks in the cache that are not on the pin list.
<JCaesar> Also, you can't catch a SIGKILL. Once the kernel decides you're the culprit for OOM, it will murder you.
<JCaesar> Third (this is just a guess), repo gc will not remove main memory usage.
<JCaesar> (actually, repo gc will preserve a few more things that are not on the pin list. details.)
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<victorbjelkholm> tbenett_: `--enable-gc` just enables automatic periodic repo garbage collection, decided by a config value in `$IPFS_PATH/config`
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<victorbjelkholm> JCaesar: behind /api/v0 is the http endpoints that api libraries (like js-ipfs-api) uses
<victorbjelkholm> take a look at https://ipfs.io/docs/api/
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<kszarlej> Hi guys. Is there a way to throttle ipfs a bit? it drives 100% CPU usage with 400 threads what basically kills my MAC
<kszarlej> I installed the go ipfs implementation
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<kszarlej> I am also getting a lot of errors for daemon https://paste.ee/p/DMmai
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<victorbjelkholm> kszarlej: make sure you're running the latest version (v0.4.13 atm) and try to play around with the connection manager values: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/docs/config.md#connmgr
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<kszarlej> btw. does anybody can recommend a good book or internet resource that is a good introduction for peer2peer (so also partially to IPFS)? I am kind of struggling with IPFS cause I am lacking the basics I think
<tbenett_> why a cat does not pin a data? Does it mean that each time I make a `cat` on a hash from another peer. This hash would be accessed from another peer than myself. Even though I `cat` it already?
<victorbjelkholm> kszarlej: the decentralized web primer by flyingzumwalt is pretty sweet https://flyingzumwalt.gitbooks.io/decentralized-web-primer/content/
<victorbjelkholm> Cat will cache the blocks locally until a gc but not being pinned is a feature
<JCaesar> tbenett_: No. There is caching.
<tbenett_> okay! seems logic, so gc is about cache.
<tbenett_> seems logic as well Thank you :)
<JCaesar> :)
<kszarlej> thanks victorbjelkholm :)!
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<satchmo> Hi guys. Q: I'm trying to publish a directory. looks like everything adds very quickly and i can hit each file, but if i go to the site (directory) hash it is empty. Anyone know how I can troubleshoot this?
<satchmo> I'm trying to load a website via the gateway
<voker57> are you adding directory with ipfs add -r?
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<satchmo> yes
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<satchmo> it says added for each file with a hash and then the site hash
<satchmo> and i can access individuals files through the gateway
<voker57> what's your ipfs version?
<satchmo> version is 0.14.3 mac os
<satchmo> I think its just the way I'm doing it. ipfs add ./ -r
<satchmo> vs going up a directory and doing ipfs add build -r
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<satchmo> seems to work the other way ;)
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<satchmo> or ipfs add . -r
<satchmo> aka im an idiot ;) thnx
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<AphelionZ> congrats on pubsub, folks
<AphelionZ> cant wait to try it
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<r0kk3rz> theres something new in pubsub?
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<AphelionZ> referring to https://ipfs.io/blog/25-pubsub/
<AphelionZ> I guess it's old, I just saw it on HN or some such thing
<AphelionZ> sorry
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<r0kk3rz> ah yes, thats been around for a while now
<r0kk3rz> but still cool
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<nibble> why is this one of the largest channels on the server and why are people hyped about ipfs?
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<whyrusleeping> nibble: because ipfs is pretty cool, if i do say so myself
<dgrisham> ^ biased
<whyrusleeping> i mean
<dgrisham> but I agree :)
<whyrusleeping> fine, someone else needs to say why people are hyped about ipfs
<r0kk3rz> because its pretty cool
<dgrisham> haha. Juan's Stanford seminar talk is a good starting point for that I'd say
<r0kk3rz> and does some neat things
<dgrisham> though there have been a lot of cool developments since then, of course
<nibble> it looks cool, but are there really that many people thinking iot's cool, or is there financial incentive to it like bitcoin?
<dgrisham> well, from my perspective IPFS is incredibly cool in its own right -- I'm a master's student and, when I found out about IPFS, was immediately stoked to get involved. there is Filecoin, which has its own financial incentives/etc., but that's not why I or probably most of us are here
<whyrusleeping> nibble: there isnt a financial incentive to ipfs, we're working on a related network called filecoin that will let people earn cryptocurrency for storing other peoples data
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<whyrusleeping> but ipfs on its own has none of that
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<dgrisham> right -- and by "that's not why we're here", I mean that most of us probably care about IPFS fairly substantially and aren't solely interesting in piggybacking off of filecoin success
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<nibble> whyrusleeping: I see, i just found out about it while randomly browsing the largest channels of this network so i'll dig in to it, looks awesome. glgl :)
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<tbenett_> nibble: why the hype with ipfs. For me, I read a book from Jaron Lanier -Who owns the future?- where it talked a lot about the work of a man named Ted Nelson, who basically thought the web. However its idea was not implemented at all. And here's the web as we know it today
<tbenett_> IPFS is the closest version of what Ted Nelson tried to built
<whyrusleeping> xanadu!
<tbenett_> whyrusleeping: yep ;)
<tbenett_> That said, back to the book. In it, Jaron explored a new economic model based on a decentralised web and my gosh, it looked promising
<tbenett_> since then, I have a dream if I may say. That is to built the software(s) that will make a good use a protocol like IPFS to build this future.
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<joelto> is anyone building a hashgraph ledger on ipfs?
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<witten_> what is a hashgraph ledger?
<Alpha64> sounds fancy
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<oed> iota uses it, altough I'm not conviced by their particular implementation
<oed> there is also a company that calls themselves hashgraph
<oed> but I haven't studied their system as mych
<r0kk3rz> im not sure where ipfs comes into the equation
<oed> r0kk3rz: to store the DAG
<oed> and libp2p to communicate between nodes
<Alpha64> you mean the tree they are calling blockchain ?
<Alpha64> the weird thing iota uses/wants to use
<oed> the "tangle" yes
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<oed> it's not really a tree since there isn't a root
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<oed> or not necessarily
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<nibble> tbenett_: makes sense, we are all consumers of data and it's likely the demand will increase for a long time ahead
<nibble> seems like a better value carrier than fiat currency since it has real, intrinsic value
<nibble> more so than for example gold
<Alpha64> they lost me at the trinary cpu part heh
<oed> Alpha64: same here, but the way they use PoW in a collaborative way is really cool
<tbenett_> nibble: yeah and we see it already
<whyrusleeping> the hashgraph thing lost me when their tagline is "SUPERIOR distributed ledger technology"
<voker57> the ipfs add -r ./ thing looks like a bug
<whyrusleeping> voker57: ?
<nibble> gold has uses in electronics and people who likes the aestethics of the mineral itself.. data is more useful imo
<oed> whyrusleeping: are you talking about hashgraph.com? that particular implementation?
<voker57> whyrusleeping: if you run this command resulting dir is empty
<whyrusleeping> voker57: hah, youre right
<whyrusleeping> that looks like a bug
<whyrusleeping> oed: yeah, the hashgraph.com guys
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<oed> whyrusleeping: yeah, I'm not sure about them either
<Alpha64> btw what happened with addressing ethereum blocks with ipfs?
<Alpha64> was that implemented ?
<whyrusleeping> oed: though the general idea kinda reminds me of vlads casper
<whyrusleeping> Alpha64: yeah, thats implemented and works
<oed> whyrusleeping: hm, a little maybe
<Alpha64> cool
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<oed> is hashgraph.com using some form of PoW?
<oed> and by PoW I mean hashcash style
<whyrusleeping> other weird thing with it is that it doesnt seem to scale
<whyrusleeping> the work each node has to do is proportional to the number of nodes in the network
<whyrusleeping> at which point i have this great thing called paxos to tell you about
<oed> whyrusleeping: that's not the case in iota if I understand it correctly
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<oed> I agree that the hashgraph.com approach is not that good
<oed> in iota you confirm 2 previous transactions in order to make one
<oed> and also provide a hashcash like PoW
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<witten_> anyone know why the result of ipfs.files.cat() in JavaScript might be "unavailable" when console.log()'d?
<whyrusleeping> oed: how do these systems avoid sybills?
<oed> whyrusleeping: the hashcash PoW
<witten_> nevermind.. I guess I needed to do file.toString()
<oed> that means that in the begining when the system is small it will be vunrable to attacks from large actors
<oed> but when the system grows to have lots of txs the PoW accumulates
<oed> it's a kind of collaborative PoW
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<whyrusleeping> oed: hrm... i'm not convinced that iotas approach works
<whyrusleeping> they make things faster by compromising (rather significantly) on the consensus properties of the system
<oed> whyrusleeping: I'm not completely convinced either, but for me it feels worth exploring more
<whyrusleeping> yeah, definitely worth exploring
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<oed> I have an idea of how to combine it with WASM for smart contract support also
<oed> It's all very loosly connected in my head still though might be totally broken
<oed> but I want to prototype it on ipfs :)
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<witten_> okay, I've got a very basic browser-only IPFS gateway working
<witten_> you go to http://<example.com>/ipfs/<hash> and it loads the IPFS contents as the page contents
<witten_> subject to the limitations of js-ipfs
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<shamus[m]> but does it use the right MIME-TYPE :D
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<witten_> shamus[m]: probably not..?
<witten_> it's just doing document.write()
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<shamus[m]> heh, i'm just messing around, obviously it doesn't :P
<shamus[m]> nice work though
<witten_> interesting point though.. I should try loading a pdf file and see what happens
<witten_> loads, but definitely does not render as a pdf :)
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<Icefoz> All right!
<Icefoz> Debian 9.2 repository pinned: Qmf7iiKDYFkmbC5kmDKxRN65DqMSQD7x99nSzJj3qjvpSL
<Icefoz> I recall there's a conversation somewhere of things to mirror authoratively but I can't recall where...
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<Icefoz> Though symlinks are broken, so it doesn't work anyway, so.
<Icefoz> Bah.
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<kszarlej> Hey guys. Does IPFS has some kind of a blockchain that is logging which IP address added a file?
<kszarlej> So i.e if I add a file to IPFS using mu local daemon, can someone see my IP address as a "origin" seeder of the file?
<Fess> no
<Fess> it's more like bittorrent
<Fess> there are no blockchain like elements built in
<Fess> if a file is available from multiple nodes it's impossible to determine which one it originally came from without extra information
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