<jonjitsu[m]>
I'm using asdf/quicklisp, there is a library I want to use that is not on quicklisp, what approach would be good to include it? I tried creating a vendor/ dir, cloning the project and adding vendor/ to the asdf registry but that didn't work.
<Xach>
jonjitsu[m]: there are a lot of options to recover.
<Xach>
jonjitsu[m]: what you tried *should* have worked, if the asdf registry update was done successfully.
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<Xach>
jonjitsu[m]: one easy option, that doesn't require any config changes, is to clone into ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ instead.
<Xach>
but that might not be suitable for your project - it depends on the goals.
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<jonjitsu[m]>
One criteria I wanted to maintain was the ability to clone the project on another system and be able to just use it with asdf/quicklisp and not have to remember to do other tasks like cloning repos in specific spots
<jonjitsu[m]>
I added the vendor/ with `(push "/absolute/path/to/vendor/" asdf:*central-registry*)`
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<Xach>
jonjitsu[m]: it would have to include the directory that has the project's *.asd file
<Xach>
jonjitsu[m]: how will users set things up so your project loads?
<Xach>
that also involves either configuring asdf or putting it in a particular place.
<jonjitsu[m]>
ya, ideally I could do something in the .asd file
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<Xach>
Is this intended for people who have not used CL before?
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<jonjitsu[m]>
no, this is just to make working with it easier
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<Xach>
Ok. For what it's worth, I clone everything into ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ for that kind of thing.
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<phoe>
jonjitsu[m]: you might need to push pathnames there rather than strings, but I'm not sure about this
<jonjitsu[m]>
`git clone project ~/quicklisp/local-projects/project` is enough?
<phoe>
so #p"/foo/bar/" rather than just "/foo/bar/"
<phoe>
jonjitsu[m]: yes, it should be enough
<phoe>
Quicklisp will ensure that asdf picks it up
<jonjitsu[m]>
phoe: I did try also with a #p string
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<phoe>
hmmm, OK
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
<blackadder>
Morning beach
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<asarch>
How do you pass values to (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((instance my-class) &key) ...)?
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<beach>
As keyword arguments.
<beach>
You would have to mention them explicitly as &KEY arguments, or use &REST.
<asarch>
I mean, (let (x (make-instance 'my-class <- Where?
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<asarch>
I see
<asarch>
Thank you!
<asarch>
Thank you very much beach :-)
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<beach>
Sure.
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<flip214>
etimmons: thanks for the puri merge!
<etimmons>
You're welcome, but I didn't really do much! I just pulled the latest from git.kpe.io. I assumed you get the fix to kmr somehow?
<flip214>
Yeah, I guess so... was some time ago
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<etimmons>
Do you happen to remember how you got it to his attention? Some other folks have found that mirror and filled issues against it. I'd like to redirect them to the right place
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<flip214>
etimmons: see pm
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<easye>
Is nyxt 2 gonna work easily under macOS? If so, which rendering engine did you finally decide upon?
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<jmercouris>
it will eventually hopefully, work easily on macOS
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<jmercouris>
the problem is in packaging WebKitGTK+ for distribution
<jmercouris>
we haven't comitted to a rendering engine, we are trying to stay rendering engine agnostic
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<easye>
I think concentrating on a .deb packaging for a "flawless" Linux nyxt 2 is the right decision.
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<easye>
nyxt 3 will implement a rendering engine via McCLIM, right? ;)
<jmercouris>
lol of course :-)
<easye>
Does nyxt have a rendering engine to render content in, say, an emacs buffer? It would be interesting to have a nyxt shell rather than dealing with eww/w3m.
<jmercouris>
No, that isn't possible at the moment
<jmercouris>
we hope to eventually supersede Emacs and provide a complete replacement
<jmercouris>
for now, we are just focused on the web side of things
<easye>
Hooking into some kind of text rendering engine would perhaps strengthen the case of agnosticism. But, time, you know?
<phoe>
a replacement for emacs itself? :O
<jmercouris>
yes, eventually :-)
* easye
thinks there should be a Greenspun corollary concerning the reimplementation of Emacs.
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<aeth>
easye: yes
<aeth>
everyone plans to bloat their project to eventually replace Emacs
<aeth>
(in the CL community, at least)
<aeth>
and the corollary to that is that nobody actually gets around to even starting that
* jackdaniel
points at climacs, hemlock and lem
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<Josh_2>
Aternoon
<beach>
Hello Josh_2.
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<aeth>
jackdaniel: my bad; 3 people.
<jackdaniel>
I'm sure that there are more people behind each project
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<jackdaniel>
whether said projects are good ideas is a whole different matter, I'm just pointing out that some people actually get around and start that
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<ebrasca>
jackdaniel: Have you think collaborating with climacs?
<ebrasca>
jmercouris: Have you think collaborating with climacs?
<ebrasca>
jackdaniel: Sory!
<jackdaniel>
I will let that slide.
<jackdaniel>
,-)
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<beach>
ebrasca: I don't think that now would be a good time for that.
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<beach>
ebrasca: I am stuck with trying to come up with a way to define how different forms should be indented.
<beach>
Once I can do that, progress should be faster.
<beach>
But i am busy with other stuff at the moment, as you can imagine.
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<ebrasca>
beach: Interesting
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<jmercouris>
aeth: there is no bloat in Nyxt, but we’ll be sure to add a bunch to qualify as an emacs replacement :-D
<dim>
beach: do you happen to have a way to programmatically “configure” indentation of forms? if yes, well, make something very simple and wrong in many places, and let users contribute? so that you can focus on something else and also have input?
<dim>
(put 'register-groups-bind 'common-lisp-indent-function 2) ; is something I use in my Emacs Lisp setup, for instance
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<beach>
dim: Yes, well, I have code for indentation, with LOTS of code duplication. I think I need something simple like that, which will work in most cases, and just write code for it once.
<dim>
in case it's not very clear, what I mean is that it would be nicer if we would not overload you with also having to find the proper set of indentation rules, on-top of everything else you are already contributing...
<beach>
Ah, yes I see what you mean.
<dim>
so even a not-very-polished API passes the bar, and you're free to move on ;-)
<jackdaniel>
hm, api that may change in the future may spawn some bitrottenware
<beach>
Well, the entire thing is messy, both in terms of its definition and in terms of its implementation.
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<beach>
For instance, the simple thing that Emacs uses does not take into account the nature of sub-expressions.
<beach>
Here is a simple example. Type (let ((mumble<newline>234)<newline>(prog1<newline>345))
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<beach>
Emacs doesn't have a way to indicate that the first sub-expression of LET is a list of bindings, so the (PROG1 ...) binding is treated as a form.
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<beach>
So I need a way to say that LET should be indented with the first sub-expression being a list of bindings, and the remaining expressions are in the body.
<beach>
Then the "list of bindings" must refer to a different indentation rule.
<dim>
yeah so it's not about the indentation rules themselves yet, more about the engine itself?
<beach>
Right, the engine, and a way of representing the rules to avoid code duplication between LET, LET*, etc.
<beach>
The engine is messy because of things like comments and the possibility of the form being incomplete.
<dim>
so some kind of a classification system for common lisp code forms
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<beach>
A classification system that is also operational.
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<beach>
Something like (LET <bindings> <declarations> <body>) where <...> refer to separate indentation rules.
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<beach>
The engine is complicated by the fact that the bindings may start on the same line as the LET or they may start on the next line. And by the fact that comments may refer to the bindings, etc. etc.
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<pve>
I wonder if machine learning could be used to indent code (e.g. generate rules). It seems like a pretty fuzzy problem.
<beach>
I don't think it is fuzzy. There are just a lot of cases to consider.
<splittist>
Something that can deal with DO, extended LOOP, WITH-ACCESSORS and various flavours of DEFCLASS slot declarations and not be write-only sounds hard.
<pve>
beach: right
<beach>
splittist: I am willing to write special-purpose code for some of the more complicated ones.
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<ebrasca>
beach: Have you think about themes for climacs?
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<jackdaniel>
ebrasca: as far as I understand beach talks now about "second climacs", a successor which does not have gui yet, afaik he doesn't work on climacs anymore
<ebrasca>
For me it is climacs. Like emacs 26 is emacs.
<jackdaniel>
emacs 26 is emacs, because it evolved from the old version. that's not the case here
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<mseddon>
beach, a new editor? that interests me.
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<Josh_2>
maybe It's my font
<phadthai>
users at #emacs might be more clueful, I've never written an emacs theme here and don't really know if they typically can break functionality
<Josh_2>
I'll go ask
<White_Flame>
Josh_2: it's a proportional font. Does indentation just count spaces or does it actually align to character locations?
<Josh_2>
I don't know the answer to that
<White_Flame>
my guess is that it just counts spaces, and therefore it's the proportionality of the font that's the problem
<Josh_2>
I have (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil) (setq-default tab-width 4)) in .emacs
<White_Flame>
actually, with a proportional font, tabs might be slightly better :-P
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<Josh_2>
oof
<White_Flame>
but none of those settings would really fix it, since "tab width" is still just counting space characters
<White_Flame>
monospace or bust, kinda literally :-P
<Josh_2>
ah
<White_Flame>
(disclaimer: I have no clue about anything emacs related at all)
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<Josh_2>
okay yes it was because the font wasn't monospace
<Josh_2>
Thanks White_Flame
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