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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<imode>
allo.
<beach>
Hello imode.
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<imode>
o/
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<ldbeth>
I decide to use Common Lisp's bignum for bitset
<phoe>
bitset? what do you mean?
<ldbeth>
it is like a set data structure exclusivly for fixnums
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<ldbeth>
with test for member, union, intersect etc
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<ldbeth>
represented with a bit in the corresponding place in the bigum
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<edgar-rft>
ldbeth: make a bignum so big that it allocates the entire memory of your computer, then use it as a virtual machine and write programs in it
<phoe>
ldbeth: so, like, if you have the number 127 then you the 127th bit in your bignum is set?
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<phoe>
s/then you/then/
<aeth>
edgar-rft: that bignum could be used to download YouTube videos, so it would receive a DMCA.
<ldbeth>
phoe: yes, it is because the index won't exceed 100 most of the time, and I want fast union operation
<phoe>
ldbeth: that would kinda work, I guess, though I wonder if a bit array won't be faster than a bignum
<phoe>
the latter is specialized for that sorta thing
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<ldbeth>
yes I think I can use bit array but someting it could reqiure expanding the array
<ldbeth>
*sometime
<ldbeth>
aeth: nice joke
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<ldbeth>
ok, so I wrote as simple prototype, the result is that creating singleton for a large number like 1231234324, is notably slow, and performance on logical OR involves such singleton set is also slow, the only advantage is that test for member is not affectted.
<beach>
Using what representation? Integers?
<ldbeth>
using bignum
<beach>
Right.
<ldbeth>
I even tried on GCL which uses libgmp as underlying bigum implementation
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<ldbeth>
on ccl it is much much slower on (ash 1 1232132)
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<ldbeth>
so I guess it is not a good idea unless I take other optimizations, for making it praticle
* ldbeth
drop it
<phoe>
allocating bignums this large is going to be slow because e.g. for marking 1232132 you must allocate (expt 2 1232129) bytes of memory
<phoe>
bit array operations might be faster than number operations though
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<Xach>
bit-array operations can also destructively modify a result vector rather than consing a fresh one
<Xach>
bit-vector, rather
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<phoe>
^
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<gproto23>
Josh_2: it might be useful for someone as this is related to general programming languages.
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<dddd>
Hi. In CL, is there some convenient way to achieve the same as read-line, but limit the maximum number of bytes? I am aware of read-sequence, but I preferably want to read directly into a string (and perhaps this is already possible with read-sequence?). It is reading from a cl+ssl stream with :external-format '(:utf-8 :eol-style :crlf)
<phoe>
you'll likely want a custom reading function then
<phoe>
where the termination test is either you are reading a newline or you've exhausted the sequence
<dddd>
From my understanding it will be more efficient to use some sort of buffered IO rather than e.g. repeatedly calling read-byte?
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<dddd>
Alternatively, could I convert a byte array (filled by read-sequence) containing these UTF8 encoded characters to a string easily?
<phoe>
yes, flex:octets-to-string
<phoe>
from flexi-streams
<dddd>
Would you think this would be better than creating a custom read function which calls read-byte repeatedly?
<phoe>
I think so, yes
<phoe>
then you can search for #\Newline in this string
<phoe>
and possibly trim it as required
<dddd>
Thank you. How about babel? According to stack overflow it should be several times faster than flexi-streams
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<phoe>
use babel then!
<phoe>
I was about to suggest it but I have more experience with flex than with babel
<dddd>
OK thanks. I will give it a try
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<dddd>
Ahh it will not work as the client will not close the connection after sending a request (so read-sequence hangs). I guess I will use read-line and hope for the best.
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<phoe>
you might want to use LISTEN on the stream before reading a char
<phoe>
such is life with network sockets
<Alfr>
dddd, same problem when someone (maybe intentionally) forgets to send the new line. oO
<dddd>
Yea. My worry with read-line is that someone could possibly just flood the stream with loads of content. I would like to limit it to 1024 bytes
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<thmprover>
Random question: if there's one physical book (not an e-book) reference to have on Common Lisp, what should it be for someone who's read SICP and coming from a Scheme background?
<phoe>
Practical Common Lisp
<easye>
thmprover: The last 44 pages Graham's _ANSI Common Lisp_ does just fine in a pinch.
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<thmprover>
Good recommendations, I'll look into both of them. Thanks :)
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<easye>
Graham is definitely opinionated, unfortunately eliding great swathes of the 978 symbols.
<easye>
But it does contain an entry for every symbol.
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<easye>
Err A5: multiple ways of printing, actually.
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<thmprover>
Follow up: when is it worth-while to invest in purchasing "Common Lisp the Language"?
<phoe>
which edition? the second?
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<phoe>
it's mostly okay
<easye>
Every text is worth it. There are certainly only around (expt 2 4) that you will come back to.
<thmprover>
Yeah, the second edition (I presume the first edition has misleading or revised statements).
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<easye>
Definitely pick up the second edition of "CLtL": sell the other on eBay...
<thmprover>
Oh yeah, Seibel's "Practical Common Lisp", that's a good introductory text. I was looking for more of a reference than a tutorial.
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<easye>
_PCL_ popularized the Naughties Lisp Renaissance. It was certainly foundational to the new CL Lispers like me.
<thmprover>
Oh, by all means, it is a wonderful text. Do not get me wrong!
<thmprover>
I'm just looking for a dictionary, not a novel, y'know?
<easye>
But not a "Reference", agreed.
<easye>
Again, there are only probably a dozen or so books about ANSI CL that you want to read again.
<easye>
_Common Lisp Recipes_ is quite good to read in conjunction with a close reading of the references.
<thmprover>
Well, I also program on a computer without a GUI, so I can't really read PDFs (etc.) easily...which is why I ask for a paper-based reference.
<easye>
Edi's text points out a lot of approaches using parts of contemporary implementations you might not otherwise consider.
<easye>
Emacs reads PDFs these days.
<thmprover>
Yeah, it does, but within a XWindows system. It's not too good reading PDFs without XWindows.
<easye>
Personally, I make sure that M-x slime-hyperspec-lookup works in the absence of the network and leave it at that.
<easye>
(either W3m or eww do just fine with the HyperSpec)
<thmprover>
I never knew there was a slime-hyperspec-lookup command! Amazing! Thanks :)
<easye>
Even though there is the belief that "CLHS is just for implementors", it works fine for me.
* easye
is technically an "implementor" at this point (ABCL).
<thmprover>
Yeah, w3m works well with slime-hyperspec-lookup, this is very do-able. Wonderful!
<easye>
Cool. Yeah, you should have specified non-print, non-pdf a little earlier.
<easye>
;)
<thmprover>
Well, I think I'm probably going to invest in CLTL down the road, because I don't have reliable internet either :(
<easye>
Like I said, there are only around a dozen "desert island" ANSI books. Gotta get them all!
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<easye>
But new ones are still being written, for instance phoe & co's tome on the condition system.
<easye>
I never really understood it until watching others try to describe it. Pittman's paper was a great start, but I just didn't get it well enough.
<thmprover>
Is there a list written down somewhere of the "desert island" books? Or is it, sadly, "You will know after you read them"?
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<easye>
Basically anything minion has a reference to would be in there.
<easye>
minion: whatz happenin?
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<minion>
whatz happenin: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I?
<easye>
(anti-spam tip: you can DCC with minion to yer heart's desire)
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<dddd>
Is there some way to "break" a dotimes loop early?
<phoe>
dddd: RETURN
<phoe>
dotimes establishes an unnamed block around its body, so you can RETURN-FROM NIL or RETURN from it.
<dddd>
Thanks!
<easye>
(ql:quickload :hyperspec) will cache a local copy of the CLHS HTML.
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<escanda>
that one I know of. but it seems it's a bit in its early stages
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<phoe>
escanda: you could ask him on #shirakumo for details, possibly
<phoe>
I don't know of any other efforts
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<escanda>
i'll download cl-graphql and take a look and then try to talk with Shinmera. btw, another area lacking is parser generators, a port of antlr4 runtime could rock
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<dddd>
How may I produce a list of files and subdirectories within a given directory? PCL Ch. 14 presents 'directory as doing this, however it doesn't seem to produce anything on my end. E.g. (dolist (x (describe (directory #p"./"))) (format t "~a " x)) is just nil
<dddd>
Correction: It gives a list with the path to the directory - not its contents
<dddd>
Oh and that describe is not supposed to be there o.o
<_death>
you can try (directory "./**/*.*")
<dddd>
Ah I see now in the Hyperspec it should be a wild path
<dddd>
This seems to recursively return subdirectories/files. Is there a way to give it only for the specified directory?
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<dddd>
Nvm, was once again mistakingly using some extra functions in there
<dddd>
(directory #p"./*.*") seems to work nicely
<Josh_2>
I personally like to use asdf for playing with the file system (asdf/cl:directory "/*") returns all the directories in /
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<dddd>
That does not include the files within the parent directory though
<Josh_2>
oh
<Josh_2>
ʕ·͡ᴥ·ʔ
<Josh_2>
it does include files
<Josh_2>
I don't think I understand what you are asking, but what I posted returns the contents of the directory including files
<dddd>
For me the following: (dolist (x (asdf/cl:directory "./*")) (format t "~a " x)) only prints the subdirectories. I would like a result similar to "ls -a". However the approach suggested by _death works nicely.
<Josh_2>
what
<Josh_2>
well what I said appears to function the same as ls -a to me
<Josh_2>
but you have a solution so It's all good :)
<dddd>
That is strange. I am using SBCL if that should have anything to say
<Josh_2>
so am I
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<_death>
you shouldn't use any asdf/xxx package.. only asdf (or uiop)
<Josh_2>
why not?
<Josh_2>
use (uiop:directory* ..) does the same
<_death>
Josh_2: the names from these packages that should be public are re-exported from asdf.. the structure of these packages is an implementation detail
<Josh_2>
oh right I see
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<Xach>
Another approach is to define them in the interface package (so they print with the right home) and import them into the implementation package.
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