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<sorear> prjtrellis mention but not use ("will be useful in future research") https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/1152.pdf
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<rvense> does anyone know if there are differences between the logic blocks in the ice40 hx8k and the ul5n? if i have a design that works at a certain speed in an hx8k, is it reasonable to expect the same performance in an ul5n?
<rvense> up5k i mean
<whitequark> rvense: absolutely not, up5k is probably the slowest FPGA currently on market
<whitequark> and it is very, very slow in absolute terms too
<rvense> booh!
<tnt> The "Ultra" is "Ultra Low Power" :)
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<daveshah> In particular, static power
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<daveshah> Something like 75uA which is at least an order of magnitude better than alternatives even on a per LUT basis
<rvense> yes, i suspected that meant they were different
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<ZirconiumX> Gotta love it when you write a program to calculate the LUT bits from some bitstreams and then find out the LUT bits appear to be in different places in different synthesis runs
<ZirconiumX> And that despite being told by somebody else's program that things were nice and there was a nice 1:1 mapping, your own program says there are quite a few more possibilities
<ZirconiumX> (Mistral lives)
<daveshah> LUT permutation by any chance?
<ZirconiumX> Maybe, but I don't know how to account/correct for that
<daveshah> I think you should be able to reverse engineer it from the routing back annotation
<ZirconiumX> That's probably not going to be feasible to scale
<daveshah> Then, try and find the setting to turn it off
<cr1901_modern> Why is LUT permutation a thing?
<daveshah> Because it adds a free KxK crossbar in front of the LUTs
<daveshah> Therefore you can get away with sparser routing matrices
<daveshah> And/or you can put critical signals on faster lut inputs
<cr1901_modern> I don't think I follow, but I'll have to file away that q for later
<ZirconiumX> daveshah: So I can't find any way to disable LUT permutation
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