richardlitt changed the topic of #ipfs to: IMPORTANT: Don't run GC (`ipfs repo gc` or `ipfs daemon —enable-gc`), there's a bug with possible data loss: see https://git.io/vPkBa — IPFS - https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs — FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 — Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ — CoC: https://git.io/vVBS0 — Sprints: https://git.io/voEAh — Q4 Roadmap Calls on Oct 10: http://bit.ly/2cWVVvJ
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<A124> I found a thing... that might be worth a look or thought.
<A124> $ ipfs object get Qmc5m94Gu7z62RC8waSKkZUrCCBJPyHbkpmGzEePxy2oXJ
<A124> {"Links":[],"Data":"\u0008\u0002\u0012\u0001\n\u0018\u0001"}
<A124> $ ipfs object get QmbFMke1KXqnYyBBWxB74N4c5SBnJMVAiMNRcGu6x1AwQH
<A124> {"Links":[],"Data":"\u0008\u0002\u0018\u0000"}
<A124> a) $ echo "" | ipfs add
<A124> b) $ touch empty; ipfs add empty
<A124> ... also data dependent chunker, like the one tarsnap has would be great. Unless there is a reason to use another / more of them.
<A124> I'm planning if time permits looking at the regular chunkers and possibly add a few specific to file formats, else I/we would have to rely on doing that externaly.
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<richardlitt> hmm, interesting.
<richardlitt> Might be worth putting that in an issue in go-ipfs
<richardlitt> Not sure why that happens, A124
<cwahlers> $ man echo
<cwahlers> echo - display a _line of text_
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<A124> Yep, I failed.
<A124> So yeah, everything is nice and dandy, except the lack of ability to name files when using pipe.
<A124> Which is not an issue if one can use object manipulation and add it to empty directory. But... depends what expectations are there on users.
<A124> It might be worth to add name switch to ipfs add. Not for me, you guys decide yourselves.
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<eris> Hmm, ERROR: from shell.Get(): &url.Error{Op:"Post", URL:"http://v04x.ipfs.io/api/v0/get?arg=QmRBqJF7hb8ZSpRcMwUt8hNhydWcxGEhtk81HKq6oUwKvs&encoding=json&stream-channels=true", Err:(*net.OpError)(0xc42018a3c0)}
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<lgierth> eris: you can't currently POST to ipfs.io
<lgierth> we've never had the writable gateway enabled there
<eris> I was getting that when building go-ipfs.
<eris> So... yeah. :p
<eris> Anyway, build stopped breaking when I figured out that for some reason it overwrote my resolv.conf with something not working inside the chroot.
<lgierth> hah ok then
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<whyrusleeping> !pin QmSpYcEjyyCzczf2jDFSb7j7x8d148CxtPhXwW5QzqgVUu new dists 0.4.4
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmSpYcEjyyCzczf2jDFSb7j7x8d148CxtPhXwW5QzqgVUu
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<pinbot> [host 4] failed to pin /ipfs/QmSpYcEjyyCzczf2jDFSb7j7x8d148CxtPhXwW5QzqgVUu: cannot store pin state: write /data/ipfs/datastore/303328.log: no space left on device
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<achin> 0.4.4 is out?
<lgierth> achin: yes
<lgierth> i'm updating dist.ipfs.io DNS right now
<lgierth> and working on a little blog post
* achin GCs all the things \o/
<lgierth> we found out it the bug only triggers if you have at least 8192+256+1 pins
<achin> direct+indirect?
<Kubuxu> not really
<Kubuxu> it will trigger when pin estimate is 8191+
<lgierth> ah cool
<achin> good stuff
<lgierth> whyrusleeping: so i'm just gonna put master on neptune and mercury
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<eris> lgierth: So the question is, if you can't POST there, why did it try to? :p
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<lgierth> ah it's to /api
<lgierth> yeah that is okay to POST
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<whyrusleeping> !pin QmeXLqkCUpwmz14wAJYdRjgtABSVoMCbrne2tvZwR518AU dists with new gx and ipfs-see-all
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmeXLqkCUpwmz14wAJYdRjgtABSVoMCbrne2tvZwR518AU
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<pinbot> [host 3] failed to pin /ipfs/QmeXLqkCUpwmz14wAJYdRjgtABSVoMCbrne2tvZwR518AU: 502 Bad Gateway
<pinbot> [host 4] failed to pin /ipfs/QmeXLqkCUpwmz14wAJYdRjgtABSVoMCbrne2tvZwR518AU: cannot store pin state: write /data/ipfs/datastore/303328.log: no space left on device
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<lgierth> host 3 is probably neptune ^ (deploying go-ipfs there right now=
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<whyrusleeping> it could be saturn, i just restarted it during the pin
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<lgierth> no host 4 is saturn
<whyrusleeping> huh, okay
<lgierth> host 3 seems to be uranus
<lgierth> whyever that failed
<lgierth> (it didn't crash)
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<manny> Hi *, can someone tell me if ipfs stores data using a cryptographic mac (HMAC)?
<manny> or is just 'plain sha*' used?
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<manny> And where to find the code snippet that hashes the data?
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<Kubuxu> manny: HMAC is useless for something like that as you don't have shared secret
<Kubuxu> we use sha256 of (chunked data + links)
<manny> okay thanks, I thought maybe somehing like convergent encryption could be used (althrough it also has its downsides)
<manny> can you tell me where to find the code snippet for the hashing stuff?
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<manny> thanks!
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<Polychrome[m]> Bit of a silly question, but what are the chances for two files to end up with the same IPFS hash?
<dansup> Polychrome[m], that would be a hash collision, unlikely
<pfrazee> it SHAnt happen
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<r0kk3rz> someone did calculate it
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<lgierth> Polychrome[m]: it's bound to the strength of the respective hash algorithm
<lgierth> Polychrome[m]: ipfs currently uses sha512 which hasn't been weakened so far
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<Polychrome[m]> I see~
<manny> whats the current approx codebase in lines of code of ipfs (including tests)? ~20k? ~50k? 100k?
<Kubuxu> with 3d party deps or not?
<manny> with and without? if you can estimate it
<manny> !
<manny> i just wanted to run scloc on it....but i don't know which repos to include currently
<Kubuxu> with all dependencies about 700k, without: ~250k
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<Polychrome[m]> gsf: thanks
<whyrusleeping> manny: if you clone down the go-ipfs repo, and then do 'gx install --global=false'
<whyrusleeping> then all the deps will be in or below the current working directory
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<Kubuxu> don't do that on windows
<Kubuxu> as it might trigger the path length limit
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<apiarian> ugh. windows path length limit. the bane of many a sensible data layout with readable paths
<apiarian> i used to collect large multi-dimensional multi-file datasets for medical device development. so much headdesk.
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<manny> @whyrusleeping: thx.
<manny> @Kubuxu: np, its a linux system.
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<manny> I have just done a cloc on the ipfs repo after running 'gx install --global=false' ~1300k - is this realistic? 
<Kubuxu> the protobuf tests have generated code in them
<Kubuxu> that is why I didn't count them
<manny> right. I forgot about the protobuf stuff
<Kubuxu> they are huge, so removing them removes 600k
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: i'd go ahead and start working on that protobuf package upgrade
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<Kubuxu> you want me to upgrade it all (I don't know how lars' tooling works).
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<kevina> Kubuxu: I am going to rebase https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3294 in a little bit, okay?
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<Kubuxu> kevina: yes, I have everything pushed
<kevina> thanks
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<clownpriest> do you guys use orbit at all?
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<kevina> the cid changes created some nice conflicts for me :(
<kevina> Kubuxu: I had to fix your code, you might want to do a quick double check.
<kevina> whyrusleeping: assuming the tests pass this should be good to go.
<whyrusleeping> kevina: alsoooo, i fixed the add multiple directories thing
<whyrusleeping> writing tests right now
<Kubuxu> kevina: what is the difference?
<kevina> nothing major, whyrusleeping changed the interface to blockstore and blockservice in the latest cid change.
<kevina> so had to fix that
<whyrusleeping> kevina: thank you :)
<kevina> my conflict resolution tool kdiff3 sometimes does strange things
<kevina> but most of the time it causes code not to compile and I catch it.
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: have you pushed your multiple directory fix anywhere yet?
<whyrusleeping> not yet, pushing soon
<kevina> okay, ping me when you do
<kevina> BTW: The travis tests are taking a while to start, are we running into some sort of limit?
<ansuz_> whyrusleeping: what restaurants have you tried so far?
<ansuz_> I hope you're not eating hotel food
<whyrusleeping> pushed
<whyrusleeping> ansuz_: we tried some izakaya
<ansuz_> on bloor?
<ansuz_> iirc
<whyrusleeping> ansuz: kinka izakaya
<cjd> izakaya sounds like some south-american root which makes you trip and see ancient godes and stuff
<whyrusleeping> and a place called scaddabush
<ansuz> cool
<ansuz> italian
<ansuz> never been
<lgierth> meh
<lgierth> the waiters were cute
<ansuz> hi lgierth
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<lgierth> the food was meh
<lgierth> it seemed like one of those experience restaurants
<ansuz> yea, probably
<ansuz> I'm telling you
<ansuz> cheapo toronto food
<ansuz> ritz caribean
<lgierth> i just want poutine
<ansuz> umm, one of the various burrito places
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<ansuz> poutine is good
<ansuz> bison burger is worth trying
<ansuz> I've gotten bison poutine, but I don't remember where
<ansuz> goat roti is excellent
<whyrusleeping> ansuz: where do i get good poutine?
<whyrusleeping> i'm in canada and havent eaten canadian food yet
<ansuz> torontoist probably has good reviews
<ansuz> or blogto
<ansuz> ooh, poutineville looks good
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<ansuz> > fresh Quebec cheese curds and mozzarella topped with slow-cooked braised beef and red wine gravy.
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* ansuz dies
<ansuz> annex is just north of you, I think
<cjd> The feeling of using the "create page" menu is something between filling out a tax
<cjd> form and defusing a bomb. You never know what's going to happen when you click "create".
<ansuz> if you're all in the same area
<cjd> ansuz: is that a fair apprasal ?
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<ansuz> :+1:
<ansuz> whose words?
<cjd> mine
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<cjd> I just wanted to double check then with you first
<ansuz> it's like if you went to the theatre and the popcorn maybe contained razor blades
<ansuz> like, 30% of the popcorn buckets
<ansuz> but your description is better
* ansuz goes back to thinking happy thoughts about toronto poutine
<cjd> I'll take your description under advisement
<kevina> whyrusleeping: should I rebase my add changes on your directory fix and we can merge both in one go?
<whyrusleeping> kevina: hold off until i have it figured out for sure
<kevina> ok, will do.
<whyrusleeping> theres a problem with my solution right now that i'm thinking through
<kevina> let me know when you are ready.
<kevina> BTW: The travis tests are taking a while to start, are we running into some sort of limit?
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<whyrusleeping> yeah
<whyrusleeping> we really need a better CI solution
<cjd> Jenkins
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<whyrusleeping> cjd: jenkins is really annoying to deal with
<whyrusleeping> plus its difficult to add new repos to
<whyrusleeping> we have teamcity set up, and teamcity is like jenkins done REALLY well
<whyrusleeping> but its still not simple to set up new repos in
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<whyrusleeping> then theres buildkite, which looks pretty cool
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<cjd> If you find something that isn't a White Elephant, let me know
<kevina> whyrusleeping: okay, do you need to push something. You have failing commits.
<kevina> whyrusleeping: and I agree with your comment
<kevina> failing commits = failing tests!
<kevina> :)
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<whyrusleeping> got the thumbs up from jbenet to break the UX and change to whats described in the comment
<whyrusleeping> so now i'm fixing the tests :)
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<Kubuxu> cjd: you are using Jenkins in work, aren't you?
<Kubuxu> as x-wiki is Java
<ansuz> XWiki
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<ansuz> cryptpad uses travic
<Kubuxu> sorry
<ansuz> travis
<ansuz> Kubuxu fitting right into Canada
<ansuz> <3
<Kubuxu> because it is oss
<ansuz> so it XWiki
<ansuz> is
<Kubuxu> I sorry a lot, I would fit.
<ansuz> heh
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<lgierth> next person who sorries me...
<dansup> SORRY
<ansuz> RIP dansup
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<whyrusleeping> yeap, working on it
<whyrusleeping> the add -w ones are weird
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<shazow> o/ what's the status of NAT traversal/firewall punching/etc in the go implementation? is it part of libp2p yet? (suggestions for where to look?)
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<lgierth> shazow: it has always been there, at least as long as i can remember
<lgierth> seeing any particular problems?
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<shazow> lgierth: is it part of libp2p too now? (i know libp2p was extracted just recently, and last i tried it it wasn't really able to punch through my fairly-forgiving router)
<whyrusleeping> shazow: its in p2p/nat in go-libp2p
<shazow> whyrusleeping: ah thanks! will dig in a bit
<shazow> i also have some independently-written punching code that seems to work, so curious to see what's different
<whyrusleeping> sweet, definitely let us know how any experiments along that route goes
<shazow> 👍
<sdgathman> shazow: does cjdns go through your router?
<shazow> haven't tried, will give it a shot
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<A124> What is the best way to install IPFS as nonroot, stable version?
<sdgathman> The only trouble I've had with cjdns is when firewalls limit size of UDP packets to 512 (thinking all udp packets and DNS I guess).
<sdgathman> A124: I created an ipfs user, and just ran the build.
<sdgathman> And ran the daemon as the ipfs user.
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<sdgathman> Could be improved, with CapabilityBoundingSet for instance.
<sdgathman> (Although I don't think that matters for non-root daemons.)
<A124> sdgathman build is dev version.
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<A124> But the service is handy, thank you.
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<A124> This could be a nice feature on IPFS also, maybe:
<A124> While the DHT is the default storage location for all data records, other copies of the data records may be stored in other locations. In fact, data mirrors may be set up that continuously crawl the DHT and maintain their own copies of the entire data set. Blockstack nodes may be configured to look in these data mirrors first before looking in the DHT or anywhere else for the record, for better [...]
<A124> [...] performance and higher availability.
<A124> Given that there can be nodes that are interested and store all directory and file objects sans the objects that hold actual data.
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<A124> Kubuxu Update https://ipfs.io/docs/install/
<A124> There is still 0.4.3
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