<lgierth>
eeh yeah somehow i ended up on not-the-official-page
<lgierth>
what's the difference between set and bucket?
<lgierth>
(gonna practice some wtfm)
<kevina>
so it sounds to be that we should regularly backup the pin set in something dead simple, to protect against data structure bugs in the future.
<kevina>
like maybe even a plain text file in the repo
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<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: the set is everything together
<whyrusleeping>
and a bucket is one element of the 256 wide array
<whyrusleeping>
a bucket is filled either by a pin, or by another 'node' of the tree
<lgierth>
so there's one set which holds all pins? or is each pin/add invocation a new set?
<lgierth>
looks like the former: internalset.Add(rootCid)
<whyrusleeping>
one set holds all the pins
<whyrusleeping>
the pinner has three sets
<whyrusleeping>
well, two are written to disk, the other one is just virtual
<whyrusleeping>
direct pins and recursive pins get written each to their own set
<whyrusleeping>
then the roots of those sets are added to a dag node and that nodes hash is written to the datastore as the pin root
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: so with this fix, are collusions impossible?
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<whyrusleeping>
Yes, i beleive so
<whyrusleeping>
and i've tested it with 500,000,000 pins
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: I'm afraid I am not going to be of much use. I tend to avoid fancy data structures and just use other's implementations.
<whyrusleeping>
:(
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: is this just a hash table, or something related?
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, its a recursive hash trie basically
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<kevina>
just lost me, sorry.
<kevina>
recursive hash?
<deltab>
recursive hash-trie, I expect
<kevina>
yep, a data structure I a not family with at all.
<deltab>
me neither
<whyrusleeping>
its basically a normal hash table, with a fixed size
<whyrusleeping>
and instead of chaining, or rehashing when you encounter a collision
<whyrusleeping>
you put another hash table at that index
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<kevina>
and are the actual keys every stored anywhere?
<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, in the hash table indexes
<whyrusleeping>
so each 'bucket' of the hash table has either a key, or another hash table
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<kevina>
okay, so what is the benifit of this over a plain hash table
<whyrusleeping>
The benefit here is that the hash table normally would grow too large
<whyrusleeping>
we're storing the hash table with ipfs merkledag nodes
<whyrusleeping>
and those have a fixed size limit
<whyrusleeping>
also, disk block optmizations make it nice to have fixed size objects
<kevina>
thanks for the info,
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<whyrusleeping>
kevina: pushed another commit that cleans up the code quite a bit
<whyrusleeping>
and added a bunch of comments
<whyrusleeping>
if youre interested
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<whyrusleeping>
Tv`: Hey, you around?
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: sorry I am interested, but I am unlikely to be able to digest this tonight
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<whyrusleeping>
okay, no worries
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: do you think you have any time to review any of my pull requests :)
<whyrusleeping>
sorry, not right now :/
<whyrusleeping>
working on a tool to recover potentially lost pins
<whyrusleeping>
and running some numbers for a blog post
<kevina>
yeah, that's a bit more important :)
<whyrusleeping>
i realize that i've worked from the time i wake up until i go to sleep for the past three days
<whyrusleeping>
i blame the fact that my housemates are out of town
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<whyrusleeping>
kevina: i'm planning on later switching the pinset to use my HAMT code (once its finished)
<whyrusleeping>
the cool thing there will be that it enables fast lookups
<whyrusleeping>
so that code you were working on earlier to check if something was pinned or not, will become much much faster
<whyrusleeping>
i also just randomly made gx publish an order of magnitude faster...
<whyrusleeping>
what was i working on again?
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: what code was this?
<kevina>
does it improve the performance of checking indirect pins?
<whyrusleeping>
oh, right indirect pins was the slow part
<whyrusleeping>
damn
<kevina>
the checking of indirect pins is what _really_ needs improvement
<kevina>
we need to avoid having to walk the DAG of recursive pins
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, i remember now. hrm...
<whyrusleeping>
thats a problem for later
<whyrusleeping>
but definitely one we will solve
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<A124>
kanzure: How do non-monetary bitcoin transactions work? Nice stuff though, read the timestamp stuff. Ability to "sign" ownership could be beneficial in a distributed world, where people get to distribute, but not own content. With additional signing one can prove both ownership and existence of file, unless I am wrong.
<A124>
ipfs gateways - does the nginx do any caching?
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<A124>
aside note: Firefox E10. Try it. Little memory, a lot of speed on multicores.
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<_mak>
what's the coorect way to check if I have a hash on my local? object stat?
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<TheGillies>
How is ipfs different from storj?
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<G-Ray>
TheGillies: Does storj work ?
<G-Ray>
TheGillies: There is no incentive to store others files on your computer
<G-Ray>
TheGillies: With IPFS, you share only what you explicitly request to store
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<xelra>
I wonder what happened to ipfs-cluster? Where there unexpected problems with the inital implementation?
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<A124>
Guys. The network spikes cause by ipfs are a real problem.
<A124>
Everyone is complaining about those.
<A124>
So it get's killed.
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<A124>
What if we plan to rely on ipfs, welcome or not?
<Kubuxu>
Hmm?
<A124>
Though I will rely on chat anyways I guess.
<A124>
<A124>
You maintain software that relies directly on IPFS
<A124>
You have done work on js-ipfs, go-ipfs, libp2p, orbit, etc.
<A124>
You plan to do work on the these projects in the coming months
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<A124>
There are barriers. js-ipfs (somewhat, custom solution hybrid with gateways would work), and ... the gateways that do lock up. Caching shuold help, but does not help with other stuff. So the only way is to whitelist all hashes and prepopulate providers.
<richardlitt>
"IMPORTANT: Don't run GC (`ipfs repo gc` or `ipfs daemon --enable-gc`), there's a bug with possible data loss. See https://git.io/vPkBa.
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<richardlitt>
Kubuxu: Maybe change the topic to what I suggestd, above, with links after.
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<achin>
hey neat, pinbot doesn't barf html when things fail :P
<A124>
python would be worse.
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<whyrusleeping>
:D
<whyrusleeping>
maybe we should do some validation before sending it off to each node...
<whyrusleeping>
you can also tell which machines have the new cid code
<whyrusleeping>
and which are running older code
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<achin>
are the differing code versions why each host doesn't have the same error message?
<whyrusleeping>
yeah
<whyrusleeping>
not sure if thats a bug or a feature
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<achin>
the "not a key" message sure looks better than the "encoding not supported message"
<whyrusleeping>
yeah
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<A124>
So guys. Just to be aware. Depending on type of user internet connection, like residential, IPFS can supposedly overload routers by number of connections. Which unless I missed something is not a thing one can limit. Those routers then lock up and stop respodning to new tcp connections.
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<whyrusleeping>
A124: Yeah, i think i've seen someone report that
<whyrusleeping>
not sure if anyones opened an issue for it though
<whyrusleeping>
would be great to do so
<A124>
I blame mail provider. And myself... for loosing data.
<whyrusleeping>
github does have a 'reset your password' option :P
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notes that reset sends stuff to mail
<Kubuxu>
there are at least two issues about IPFS being router killer.
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<eeg>
hi folks. i'm new to ipfs, but would love to build an application with it.
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<eeg>
i'd like to get started with ipfs-js, but i'm not sure what to do after the construction of the ipfs object
<A124>
eeg js-ipfs not ready.
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<eeg>
can someone out there share some code with me using js-ipfs?
<whyrusleeping>
eeg: Hi! daviddias and dignifiedquire and haad can help you with that
<whyrusleeping>
A124: js-ipfs definitely does work
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<eeg>
I'm sure it does
<A124>
What? ... we tried without luck.
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* A124
raises hand for help also.
<A124>
Or an example.
<eeg>
example would be super useful
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<eeg>
I've looked at haad's Orbit code, but it looks (?) like maybe it's talking to the Go implementation locally?
<A124>
Yes, it does, it starts it's own node.
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<dignifiedquire>
there are two versions of orbit
<A124>
One that does not work and desktop.
<dignifiedquire>
one that calls go and one that works in the browser just with js
<dignifiedquire>
the docs are pretty lacking currently, it would help if you tell me what you want do? cli, node, browser etc
<eeg>
appreciate the help :-)
<eeg>
so far, all I've done is load up the js-ipfs in Node
<eeg>
I can do:
<eeg>
var IPFS = require('ipfs') var node = new IPFS()
<eeg>
I'm honestly not sure where to go from there
<eeg>
ultimately, I'm aiming to build a browser based application off of this, but still obviously in the very early stages
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<A124>
dignifiedquire Can I talk in between. We are at browser app, that shares chunks of video among js-ipfs peers
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<dignifiedquire>
okay so running in the browser, I am at my phone atm so I can only point things out
<dignifiedquire>
one word of caution there is no dht atm so no peer discovery, you have to manually connect to peers
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<eeg>
how far is the dht from being implemented?
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<A124>
In my case that is fine, until the DHT gets done.
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<eeg>
one thing that would be really helpful at this point is just a short example of the exact sequence of adding, getting files
<eeg>
I'm pretty sure I don't know the right incantations
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eeg, A124, it's true that the current version of Orbit doesn't work with js-ipfs. this is mainly due to some incompatibilities with the go/js implementations and me not (yet) doing the work to bring js-ipfs back to orbit. if you want to try out something quickly, perhaps orbit-db can get you off the ground: https://github.com/haadcode/orbit-db#usage. replace js-ipfs-api with js-ipfs and you're good to go! (if you do run into problems, do let me know or open an i
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<eeg>
haad, interesting and thanks for the pointer
<haad>
eeg: in the usage example of orbitdb, change const IpfsApi = require('ipfs-api') to const Ipfs = require('js-ipfs') and const ipfs = IpfsApi('localhost', '5001') --> const ipfs = new Ipfs() - I think that should do it
<whyrusleeping>
bugfix itself is in just the first commit, the rest is refactoring
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eeg: since you're fresh to the js-ipfs api and docs, if you have a few minutes, it would help us greatly if you can take some notes (and open an issue in js-ipfs repo on GH) as to what was confusing or if you didn't find info on something, if you came across any bugs or errors or any weirdness as you setup it up, or even if you just wasn't sure what was said in the docs. it would help us greatly to improve the first-time experience for new devs.
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<A124>
eeg If you get it working, please share an example.
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<Tv`>
whyrusleeping: oh i see
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<Tv`>
whyrusleeping: on collisions, the later rounds of moving `hashed` to `n.Links` will overwrite
<Tv`>
whyrusleeping: yeah that's pretty bad
<Tv`>
176 n.Links[int(h%defaultFanout)] = l
<Tv`>
sounds like you should then remove the modulo from that
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<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, i removed the modulo from that part in a later commit, and moved from a map[int]Thing to just an []Thing
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<Tv`>
yes
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sounds sane
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<Tv`>
i think that was written at a time when i thought it'd pick the fanout more dynamically, or something
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<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, I remember talking about that too
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<whyrusleeping>
the fix looks good to you? just wanted to make sure i had another pair of knowledgable eyes on it
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<Tv`>
yeah the one-liner is definitely lgtm
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<whyrusleeping>
cool thanks :) don't worry about the rest.
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<whyrusleeping>
(unless youre feeling particularly interested in reviewing that)
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<Tv`>
whyrusleeping: skimmed it, nothing horrible showed up -- out of curiosity, how has the need for multiset gone away?
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<whyrusleeping>
We don't store the indirect pin counts anymore
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<whyrusleeping>
for a gc we enumerate the indirect pins from the set of recursive pins
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<whyrusleeping>
storing the indirect pins was really expensive in terms of disk ops
<Tv`>
okay so more gc than refcount now
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<whyrusleeping>
yeah
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<whyrusleeping>
i'm considering grabbing the multiset code out of git and moving it into its own repo
<whyrusleeping>
its a really cool example of a general database built on ipfs objects
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<whyrusleeping>
Tv`: mind throwing a 'LGTM' on github?
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<Tv`>
yeah hold on what's going on with my github
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<Tv`>
so apparently i am logged out & the 2fa sms is not getting to me, so far..
<Tv`>
i'm giving it a few more minutes before using a recovery code
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<whyrusleeping>
i always have terrible luck getting texts from those services
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<dignifiedquire>
haad interface-ipfs-core is a spec. ot docs
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<dignifiedquire>
we need proper docs as we already have mentioned before
<dignifiedquire>
auto generated api docs, examples, tutorials
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<Kubuxu>
A124: do you have a way to reproduce the gateway hang bug?
<Kubuxu>
is it only our gateways, or is it gateway in general (local too)?
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<A124>
Kubuxu Yeah, load bunch of stuff "at once" (with slight delay) Mix resolvable unresolvable, etc.
<A124>
In general.
<whyrusleeping>
A124: via ipfs.io? or a local node?
<A124>
I had old version though, so my node did hang faster then the public ones.
<Kubuxu>
interesting
<A124>
Give me node address and I can try lock it up.
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<A124>
All I did was to try paralelly with some delay load bunch of scraped hashes.
<Tv`>
oh hah i'm stupid. github 2fa is with OTP not with a text message. their "Don't have your phone? Send the code to your backup phone number" made me think it's an sms
<A124>
So I can filter what is useless and pin the rest.
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<A124>
Tv` It would confuse me too, when they say 'number'
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<jbenet>
whyrusleeping:
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<jbenet>
then maybe ship the one-liner as a hotfix release?
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