<kevina>
whyrusleeping: Lets take this to IRC "I was thinking that all the logic youre doing with multiple blockstores could be abstracted into the blockservice. Your modified blockservice could have a blockstore, a filestore, and an exchange."
<kevina>
So the multiblockstore is about retrieving blocks.
<kevina>
There is no way to get around that both the normal data/blockstore and the filestore will need to checked.
<kevina>
Or am I missing something.
<kevina>
?
<ne1>
im not seeing anyone anyone on #ipfs, or #orbit
<kevina>
Yeah, after rereading your comment I released you where looking for something like that. I suppose I could make it work, but would be a fairly large effort.
<kevina>
It not like just disabling something, that I did with the Server side adds.
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<kevina>
Do you not like the idea of a multi-blockstore?
<kevina>
If you don't. I could put a day or so effort into eliminating it and see if I run into any snags.
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<kevina>
However, I got a felling we are going to want something like multi-blockstore in the future.
<kevina>
I always try to find more general solutions to problems.
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<whyrusleeping>
agreed on finding general solutions to problems
<whyrusleeping>
lets try and think this out before going down and implementing stuff
<whyrusleeping>
my hesitation on the multiblockstore idea is that it adds a lot of complexity to the base case
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<whyrusleeping>
if i'm not using a filestore, i still have a bunch of extra stuff in the way
<whyrusleeping>
plus, to make the multiblockstore work, we're overloading blocks with extra information
<whyrusleeping>
(which we're going to have to do in either case)
<whyrusleeping>
i tend to prefer 'swappable' as a means of making things general over 'extensible'
<whyrusleeping>
swappable means picking different lego bricks, extensible means having multipurpose lego bricks
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<kevina>
So are you every going to want to use more than one data/blockstore at once?
<kevina>
How do you envision doing that?
<kevina>
That is the reason I opted for the more general solution.
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<kevina>
(Note I am working now on a better specialized BlockService for adding blocks to the blockstore)
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<zignig_>
I know that the top block are available but some of the sub folders are not online.
* whyrusleeping
is following so far
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: what are you after. If the add pipeline has its own blockservice no special casing will be needed.
<zignig_>
if I do a files ls , it hangs ( to be expected ), but all other file ls on that sub tree block even after a ^C
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: hrm?
<whyrusleeping>
zignig_: hrm... thats weird.
<whyrusleeping>
can you ipfs files stat that subtree?
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: I am not following.
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: in any case I need to make blockservice an interface, I am going to assume you are okay with that :)
<whyrusleeping>
oh yeah, thats needed doing for a while
<zignig_>
nope , just hangs
<whyrusleeping>
zignig_: odd...
<whyrusleeping>
zignig_: can you do two things for me:
<whyrusleeping>
first, file an issue
<whyrusleeping>
second, can you make a small script to reproduce the issue?
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<whyrusleeping>
if not i'm sure we can handle doing so as well
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: are you going to short circuit the entire thing in case of a filestore add?
<whyrusleeping>
like, its an entirely separate stack?
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: I already am.
<kevina>
Using a special purpose blockstore already, now a special purpose blockservice.
<whyrusleeping>
hrm... perhaps i misunderstood something earlier then...
<whyrusleeping>
i'm much more comfortable with that
<kevina>
and what is that?
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<whyrusleeping>
kevina: sorry for spacing out. earlier i was thinking it was definitely weird for the normal block write path to have to go through the filestore checks
<whyrusleeping>
but i remembered/realized that you construct your own stack for those puts
<kevina>
So are you okay with the idea of a multiblockstore? There is no filestore code in that. It is only about being able to get blocks from multiple blockstores.
<kevina>
Something I think will be _very_ useful in the future, with or without the filestore.
<kevina>
Write operations only go to one blockstore, the cache, so there is no complex code there.
<whyrusleeping>
but the multiblockstore wont be in the chain of things for the normal non-filestore usecase, will it?
<kevina>
one sec.
<kevina>
It is. Becuase making it _not_ in the chain of things will be more complicated.
<kevina>
That will involve all sorts of special cases.
<kevina>
The the filestore is enabled than use it, if it is not than don't/
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<kevina>
Again, I was trying to lay a framework for supping multiple block/datastores at once.
<kevina>
I thought it was a good idea.
<kevina>
If that is something you don't want know I am going to have to do some rethinking.
<whyrusleeping>
let me think about it a bit, it might be okay
<kevina>
Thanks.
<kevina>
And I can't type. :( supping = supporting, "you don't want know" = "you don't want right now". :)
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<whyrusleeping>
kevina: i'm alright with the multiblockstore idea, still thinking about how its going to fit in. I'm not on board with the Put call returning blocks
<whyrusleeping>
and it might be easier to avoid the put call returning blocks if we go with the modified blockservice
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: okay, I am working on a modified blockservice now.
<kevina>
I am thinking about using a modified blockservice for all Adds (not just filestore ones)
<kevina>
This way we can restore the behaviour of re-adding a file to republish it.
<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, thats fine. Pretty simple switch over a nil filestore
<kevina>
okay, that what I will do, I am actually on the east cost and it is now 1:00 am, so expect something tomorrow :)
<kevina>
But I will fix my rebase screwup in #3255 tonight.
<whyrusleeping>
haha, arent you normally west coast?
<kevina>
Nope, I just go to bed late.
<whyrusleeping>
ah, nice
<whyrusleeping>
well go get some sleep
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<haad>
passstab: thanks for the logs! will check the deps again today
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<haad>
whyrusleeping: since you're still up: was there any other changes to floodsub than the API changes recently? anything related to the discovery?
<haad>
ne1: if you were test123 last night, I saw you, but weren't online at the time
<ribasushi>
greetings
<ribasushi>
regarding the "logical capacity" of ipfs - would files with e.g. ~250,000 chunks pose a problem resolution/computation wise?
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<ribasushi>
I am basically asking whether there is experience running at such scale
<ribasushi>
I guess I will have to tias
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<haad>
whyrusleeping: some notes from testing pubsub: it can take a long time to peer local peers (up to 1 minute is ongest I've seen), discovery flag is on
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<ribasushi>
hmmm... the chunker stuff seems to be underdocumented
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<ribasushi>
where can I find all the available chunkers and their behaviors?
<ribasushi>
is it a case of "read the source" or is there some doc I am overlooking?
<dignifiedquire>
ribasushi: it's mostly a case of read the source at the momemnt I'm afraid
<ribasushi>
ok
<ribasushi>
I am not very proficient at go - can you point me at an "entry point" of sorts?
<ribasushi>
dignifiedquire: thank you, this should be enough for me to go on for now
<dignifiedquire>
happy to help :)
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<ribasushi>
actually sorry one more question
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<ribasushi>
do I understand correctly that the default is *not* to chunk - i.e. by default a file through add is represented by a mdag with the entire payload as data and no links?
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<ribasushi>
s/through add/given to ipfs add/
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<lgierth>
no the default is fixed-size chunking
<lgierth>
with 256K chunks which fit nicely into disk block
<lgierth>
*disk blocks
<ribasushi>
got it
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<apiarian>
haad: any hints for dealing with forward sequence data (log entries) in a world where the data is actually backwards linked (IPFS commit-ish objects)? Last time I tried this sort of thing I ended up pulling the commits into an array for easy traversal and comparison (merges). Figured you might have run into this sort of thing with orbit
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<haad>
apiarian: if I understand you correctly, this is what ipfs-log does. e0 <-- e1 <-- e2 <-- ... is that what you mean?
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<lgierth>
richardlitt: perfect, thanks
<lgierth>
go-multibase is still new so we haven't caught all bugs yet
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<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv
<pinbot>
[host 4] failed to pin /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv: cannot store pin state: write /data/ipfs/datastore/303328.log: no space left on device
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv
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[host 4] failed to pin /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv: cannot store pin state: write /data/ipfs/datastore/303328.log: no space left on device
<apiarian>
haad: yup, so the storage has the links pointing backwards, but often for processing one might want the links pointing forward
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<lgierth>
saturn doesn't seem to want to run gc -- doing it manually
<haad>
apiarian: right, ok. so in that case, if your use case allows, I would recommend to use orbitdb.eventlog database. it'll give you a (ordered) list of database entries (where entry can be your "IPFS commit-ish object"). if not, take a look at ipfs-log and see if that gives you an idea how to do it in non-JS environments. there's also some work being done for go-ipfs-log but it's not quite ready yet.
<haad>
apiarian: that all said, in all of the orbit-db/ipfs-log stuff, there are no "forward" pointing object (not sure how you would do that with a DAG)
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<passstab>
haad, i should be clear, that wasn't the complete log
<passstab>
just the part i thought relevant
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<haad>
passstab: thanks for reporting those! fixed them last night (I think), working on making sure to lose all missing deps. if you run into any more problems, please let me know! :)
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<passstab>
haad, i'll check in a minute, but package.json still refers to electron-prebuilt
<passstab>
as does gruntfile.js
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<haad>
passstab: right, that's still on my computer (they just renamed electron-prebuilt --> electron, which makes a lot of sense)
<passstab>
oh, ok
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<haad>
hey, are there any mathematicians here who *know* what semilattice is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semilattice)? if so, would you be able to explain it in layman's terms? :)
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<hsanjuan>
I think I understand it but I dare not explain it :P
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<haad>
:)
<haad>
I mean I also know what it is but I'm looking for some very detailed knowledge to describe the different types and compositions
<haad>
trying to map my programming knowledge to the (real) math
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now pinning /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv
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now pinning /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv
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<haad>
dignifiedquire: just thinking about naming and what kind of (semi)lattice a "log" (ipfs-log) is, or if they're logs or if logs are something else, etc :)
<passstab>
haad, does orbit start it's own instance of ipfs even if I already have one running?
<haad>
dignifiedquire: but basically what I take from there is that ipfs-log - partially ordered list of entries - is a semilattice, but what particular type it is I'm not sure and if the properties of a semilattice and ipfs-log are the same (in terms of ordering)
<dignifiedquire>
well you would first need to proplery define the ordering
<haad>
passstab: yes, it starts its own isolated daemon, ipfs data path in ~/Library/Application Support/orbit in OSX, ~/.config/orbit in Linux
<dignifiedquire>
so what relation are you exactly using for the log?
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<dignifiedquire>
haad: doesn't ipfs-log actually define a total ordering?
<haad>
dignifiedquire: that's the part I don't quite understand. how do you (how can you?) define the ordering? are there order-dependant semilattices (like, one type of ordering is some-semilattice and another oe is another)?
<haad>
dignifiedquire: no, partial order
<dignifiedquire>
in what case would neither x<y nor y < x be given?
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<haad>
I have no idea what you're talking about :)
<dignifiedquire>
:D
<dignifiedquire>
the definition of a total ordering, i.e. a partial ordering becomes a total ordering on the set S if for all x,y in S x < y or y < x
<hsanjuan>
how do I find the actual exact size of a file added to ipfs (let's assume its big)?
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<dignifiedquire>
hsanjuan: ipfs object stat <myfile>
<dignifiedquire>
and then the "Cumulative Size"
<apiarian>
haad: thanks, i'll take a look. i'm thinking of a forward pointing object in memory, not actually in the wild
<dignifiedquire>
haad: so I'm guessing the order would be defined sth like this: x < y if and only if exists such that x ≤ z1 ≤ .. ≤ zn ≤ z, where ≤ is defined as "next" relation ship, i.e a ≤ b if and only if a.next = b
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<dignifiedquire>
hmm no this doens't work
<dignifiedquire>
as x < x is not given
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<dignifiedquire>
no it does work, that just means < is a strict partial ordering
<dignifiedquire>
i.e
<dignifiedquire>
1. not x < x (irreflexive)
<dignifiedquire>
2. x < y and y < z => x < z (transitive)
<dignifiedquire>
so that's all good
<hsanjuan>
dignifiedquire: that shows a cummulative size which is close but not exactly the size of the original file.. Do I need to do some math with metadata sizes to reach the original data size?
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<dignifiedquire>
hsanjuan: the original size is not stored in ipfs, the cumulative size is what it takes up inside ipfs
<dignifiedquire>
this is after chunking
<A124>
hsanjuan you could just ask gateway over http for a header, I guess.
<haad>
dignifiedquire: sounds all very mathy, need to ask you in person :)
<dignifiedquire>
haad: now you can deduce that the set S of all log entries is a both a join and a meet lattice, together with < defined as above, as we have the partial ordering and both the greatest lower bound exists as well as the least upper bound exist
<dignifiedquire>
haad: so ipfs-log is actually a lettice
<dignifiedquire>
*lattice
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<dignifiedquire>
hmm wait, can this structure exist in an ipfs-log: a < b an a < c ?
<dignifiedquire>
i.e. can "next" be multiple entries?
<dignifiedquire>
haad: ^^
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* dignifiedquire
wondering if it actually is a semilattice
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<dignifiedquire>
nvm I'm just confused
<dignifiedquire>
let's do this in person, then we can see if we can write down some nice proofs :)
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<haad>
yup :)
<haad>
dignifiedquire: yes, "next" can be multiple entries
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<A124>
How do I track what kind of stuff (at least by hash of file is being downloaded from me?)
<A124>
I may have pinned some popular public stuff like from IPFS website, or something and people look like crazy getting that or some bug.
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<A124>
Is 4001 used only for DHT, swarm, discovery, or what else, or also for data?
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<Kubuxu>
both
<A124>
Damn. Is there yet any tool to analyze logs?
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<A124>
I think it is a bug looking purely at the events.
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<A124>
What info you need to be able to determine?
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<Kubuxu>
no idea about that, whyrusleeping might know more but he is probably not awake yet
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<A124>
Alright, gonna kill it, update, and see, and wait.
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* A124
thinks there should be version command, giving version and build commit hash
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<Kubuxu>
ipfs version --all
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<lgierth>
Kubuxu: any way to graph the system threads?
<lgierth>
from within go-ipfs
<A124>
Can I get a proper way to upgrade ipfs from github?
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<lgierth>
A124: git pull && make install?
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<A124>
I did even rm -rf, but version says 0.4.0
<A124>
So is... go get -d github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs broken?
<lgierth>
yes
<Kubuxu>
no only: `ls /proc/$(pgrep os.Args[0])/task -1 | wc -l`
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<Kubuxu>
go get go-ipfs doesn't work for a long time
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<lgierth>
A124: did you find any install docs that don't mention that go get is broken?
<Kubuxu>
and even if it worked you missed -u there
<A124>
Then why the hell is it in Readme.md
<lgierth>
we'll get it back working soon-ish
<lgierth>
well there are 2 more steps after go get -d in the readme;)
<A124>
I did those too.
<Kubuxu>
do go get -u
<Kubuxu>
go get -u -d
<Kubuxu>
download update
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<A124>
Alright, thanks. I wish I had more energy to write all down for everyone, but I am bad at style.
<A124>
whyrusleeping disregard any profs I sent you until now.
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<lgierth>
A124: ah, let me add -u to these readme instructions
<lgierth>
thanks
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<A124>
Well, you are welcome, of course, but I am the one in thanks here. The thing is there is a lot more around ipfs that could be written down. Some kind of wiki. I liked the one ZeroNet has. IPFS running fine now.
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<kevina>
I can download it just fine from my computer...
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<kevina>
rebuilding yet again, let's see if it works this time
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<A124>
kevina the gateway had problem itself.
<A124>
I noticed those problems already, they affect both ipfs.io and user gateways. If you request too much, it just gets locked or something.
<A124>
Was loading blog at the same moment you did post the error, had to wait and refresh, then everything worked.
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<lgierth>
kevina: yes whyrusleeping mentioned the same last night -- i.e. 504 timeouts
<lgierth>
i'm not sure yet how to debug
<lgierth>
Kubuxu: might that be the same pin lock issue you were seeing?
<lgierth>
when did we last change that code
<Kubuxu>
long time ago
<Kubuxu>
try add and pin rm, check how long will it take
<Kubuxu>
last time I think it took minutes to remove it
<Kubuxu>
or maybe it is GC
<Kubuxu>
wouldn't long GC timeout transfers?
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<lgierth>
eeeh yeah that's what i ment
<lgierth>
not pin lock
<lgierth>
gc starts, takes some lock, gateway requests something new, which can't be stored until the lock is released
<lgierth>
something like that?
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<Kubuxu>
yeah, request starts, it downloads blocks, puts them into blockstore, suddenly GC kicks in, blocks the progress of downloading, which them timesout
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<lgierth>
ah. i don't think it's gc. or if it's just long gc, there's another bug involved
<lgierth>
the proxy timeout in nginx is 1800 seconds
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv
<lgierth>
i think it's just saturn being stubborn
<lgierth>
let's see what this pin comes up with
<pinbot>
[host 4] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv: Post http://[fc3d:9a4e:3c96:2fd2:1afa:18fe:8dd2:b602]:5001/api/v0/refs?arg=/ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv&encoding=json&stream-channels=true&r=true&: dial tcp [fc3d:9a4e:3c96:2fd2:1afa:18fe:8dd2:b602]:5001: getsockopt: connection timed out
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<whyrusleeping>
i'm gonna write so many documents
<whyrusleeping>
so excited
<whyrusleeping>
gonna write gudies for using all the new features
<whyrusleeping>
pubsub, dhtclient routing, ipld, and document using all the extra new cool daemon flags
<whyrusleeping>
and the providers stuff with add
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<lgierth>
aaaanyhow, tonight's for infrastructure.git and these bloody gc and timeout things
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<richardlitt>
!pinbot QmS1quzvciJ8a9KTn54PfcBRdfees7gSFWprdsZLDkh5mr blog
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmS1quzvciJ8a9KTn54PfcBRdfees7gSFWprdsZLDkh5mr
<pinbot>
[host 4] failed to pin /ipfs/QmS1quzvciJ8a9KTn54PfcBRdfees7gSFWprdsZLDkh5mr: cannot store pin state: write /data/ipfs/datastore/303328.log: no space left on device
<richardlitt>
what the
<richardlitt>
lgierth:
<lgierth>
sigh
<lgierth>
that's saturn and it has 57G available
<whyrusleeping>
my next PR is going to be called 'the conquest of el cid'
<dignifiedquire>
:D
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: how much code has el cid taken so far?
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<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: any idea about saturn? it has 57G available and spills these no-space-left errors ^
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<lgierth>
one pin earlier went through
<lgierth>
and it also got a restart after i ran gc to reclaim space
<whyrusleeping>
dignifiedquire: quite a bit already, a good amount is merged
<whyrusleeping>
but this next one will be all but eradicating the infidel key.Key
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv
<whyrusleeping>
uh oh
<pinbot>
[host 4] failed to pin /ipfs/Qmb6UVQ8iKvD51WkhDjn6s1B2Z9RLE5TW3DbqFaEsFwtrv: cannot store pin state: write /data/ipfs/datastore/303328.log: no space left on device
<JosiahHaswell[m]>
So, I've implemented a subset of Groovy in Go that uses IPFS as its filesystem. Is that something that the community might be interested in? I'm trying to get the company to open-source it, and having some interest would help make that argument
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: i figure the putter should sync their clock? Bad dht record in PUT from: QmRgoyyZyYXxF29gTkWrMKZNU91Y7V21QYtvSQTjtsntzb. expired record
<lgierth>
JosiahHaswell[m]: groovy the programming language?
<JosiahHaswell[m]>
Yeah
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<JosiahHaswell[m]>
Look, ma, no JVM
<lgierth>
heh nice
<lgierth>
of course that's interesting
<lgierth>
Dear Josiah's boss, open source please, kthx -- lgierth
<lgierth>
:)
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: eh, that error seems normal actually. just an old record on the dht
<whyrusleeping>
where are you seeing it?
<lgierth>
tailing logs on saturn
<lgierth>
do nodes re-put the records of others?
<whyrusleeping>
no, not right now
<whyrusleeping>
would be cool though
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<haad>
Mateon1: please do report any problems you're having with Orbit. all those need to be fixed at some point :)
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<lgierth>
good to know that even in the web 3.0, we have favicon.ico error log lines
<lgierth>
ERROR core/serve: Path Resolve error: no link named "favicon.ico"
<lgierth>
haha
<lgierth>
ERROR core/serve: Path Resolve error: no link named "wp-login.php"
<lgierth>
nice try, scanner
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<whyrusleeping>
pinbot, we were friends, what happened?
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<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: this one's the one that failed: QmRn43NNNBEibc6m7zVNcS6UusB1u3qTTfyoLmkugbeeGJ
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<whyrusleeping>
where does it live normally?
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<lgierth>
one of the gateways
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<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: you think a TB is enough for me to slice off for backing up all the hashes?
<whyrusleeping>
i could probably do two
<lgierth>
it's pinned on saturn
<lgierth>
the gateways have StorageMax 60G so there's your number :)
<whyrusleeping>
oh, pfft
<whyrusleeping>
thats boring
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<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: can't find the list
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<lgierth>
it was a simple concat+uniq of `pin ls` on all gateways
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<richardlitt>
lgierth: all good?
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: if you could reproduce that list i would be pretty happy
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: that failed hash pinned just fine on my server :D
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<lgierth>
ok great
<lgierth>
richardlitt: yep all good!
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: i might still have it on the backup disk
<lgierth>
let me see
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<Mateon1>
Okay, so my first reaction to using pubsub: Is it just a publically read+writeable stream that magically syncronizes? What does it do on bad networks/changes in network topology/complete network splits?
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<lgierth>
Kubuxu: i know why pollux was locking up on you the other day, the storage nodes are running with --enable-gc (which they shouldn't)
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<lgierth>
Kubuxu: ah but nevermind, GcPeriod is 0s so it never runs
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<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: right now, its publicly read and writeable
<whyrusleeping>
but in the nearish future (~1 mo) we're going to add a restricted publishers mode
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<Mateon1>
Does it provide any guarantees? Integrity, ordering, deliverability?
<keks>
can anyone tell me the gx hash of go-ipfs?
<Mateon1>
The first two would be nice, but the second seems hard, and the third impossible
<keks>
Mateon1: what do you mean by deliverability?
<Mateon1>
keks: That the messages are always guaranteed to be delivered to the peers (at least immediate peers), but that seems near impossible
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmXopQEZhXyD8MuNAMUTDJ3ErauRZc2UX2BimyS6jnyusK
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[host 4] failed to pin /ipfs/QmXopQEZhXyD8MuNAMUTDJ3ErauRZc2UX2BimyS6jnyusK: cannot store pin state: write /data/ipfs/datastore/303328.log: no space left on device
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmXopQEZhXyD8MuNAMUTDJ3ErauRZc2UX2BimyS6jnyusK
<pinbot>
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<pinbot>
[host 3] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmXopQEZhXyD8MuNAMUTDJ3ErauRZc2UX2BimyS6jnyusK: Post http://[fc4e:5427:3cd0:cc4c:4770:25bb:a682:d06c]:5001/api/v0/refs?arg=/ipfs/QmXopQEZhXyD8MuNAMUTDJ3ErauRZc2UX2BimyS6jnyusK&stream-channels=true&r=true&encoding=json&: read tcp [fc82:e2d7:bdff:45f3:dd95:bb22:fce9:1ffb]:54548->[fc4e:5427:3cd0:cc4c:4770:25bb:a682:d06c]:5001: read: connection reset by peer
<Mateon1>
By the way, for some reason, strace on Windows sucks. It only displays spawned processes, no sys/api calls
<keks>
the pinbot is not on hype? :)
<lgierth>
it is, but cjdns's routing isn't too good, i'm waiting for supernode routing with my fingers crossed
<keks>
ah, i see
<Mateon1>
Same here
<Mateon1>
Wonder if supernodes will be opt-in or auto based on bandwidth
<lgierth>
cjdns's old broken routing will be discontinued
<lgierth>
until someone comes along and writes something that actually works
<keks>
how muchcentralization will supernodes introduce?
<lgierth>
you can run your own
<keks>
well i can also run my own mail server :)
<lgierth>
the supernode is just a little js program
<Mateon1>
Js..?
<Mateon1>
So, not built in?
<lgierth>
the client for it is builtin
<lgierth>
the supernode itself is a separate program
<lgierth>
and the old routing will continue to work, since any node will still respond to the route queries, but will itself query its supernode
<Mateon1>
By separate program, do you mean an interface like the webui or a full handler for everything in JS? Sorry for the possibly stupid questions..
<keks>
Mateon1: I assume ipfs is more complex than cjdns and there is a js implementaion
<lgierth>
Mateon1: we were talking about routing in cjdns
<keks>
I also wouldn't do it but it's not uncommon to use node for non-web stuff
<lgierth>
it lets us iterate on the algorithm more quickly while we figure out what's wrong
<SuperPhly>
ok, so now i've got station running in a terminal...
<SuperPhly>
any way to have that electron app run without it needing a terminal?
<lgierth>
keks: we're not usually publishing go-ipfs itself through gx -- you'll be the first one down that road i think, happy to hear how it works for you
<lgierth>
SuperPhly: not sure -- dignifiedquire might know more, during UTC daytime
<keks>
I guess I'm missing something simple, have you seen that error mesage before?
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<SuperPhly>
screen -dmS ipfs npm start
<SuperPhly>
that did it.
<dignifiedquire>
lgierth: you seem to write that more and more often :D
<dignifiedquire>
SuperPhly: you can build your own app then you don't need that anymore
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<lgierth>
hah :) just giving people a push in the right direction
<dignifiedquire>
but be aware that it currently runs a very outdated version of ipfs
<SuperPhly>
dignifiedquire: electron app build? lemme look into that
<dignifiedquire>
npm run build should do the trick I think
<lgierth>
i guess PRs welcome for a version update?
<dignifiedquire>
let me check
<dignifiedquire>
lgierth: it wasn't possible until last week, as 0.4.2 was broken