lgierth changed the topic of #ipfs to: go-ipfs 0.4.4 has been released with an important pinning hotfix, get it at https://dist.ipfs.io | IPFS, the InterPlanetary FileSystem: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0 | Sprints: https://git.io/voEAh
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<A124> Mateon1 If you read it there are multiple IPs. The simplest way is to to say "use my public ip only" "use my lan only" "use only provided ip"
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<vtomole> Are the comments accurate? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12571183. Is it true that an OS based on IPFS will have any advantages compared to just running IPFS on the operating systems we have now?
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<A124> vtomole I have read not one in depth article or talk about such topic, are there any?
<A124> But IPFS utilizing OS would yield enormous advantages in several fields, but the question is... how to even do that. There is nothing like http based OS.
<A124> If you would have a dual tree (linked one to each other) file system you could do enormous stuff with ease, backups, snapshoting, sharing, installing OSs, software, etc.
<A124> Decentralization or even better a distributed approach (which in real world would have to rely on transparent (de)centralized networking layer) does bring enormous benefits and cost savings.
<vtomole> A124: That's why i came here, I couldn't find any sources online about it :( . I have been thinking about this idea a lot, It is very interesting.
<A124> And when we talk about costs, it is not just about money, but about technology, given that we could easily do 40-60% more with what we have today (as in networking, compute and storage) resources.
<A124> The idea is so deep and hard to grasp, it requires keeping knowledge, visions and pictures in head or having large complex diagrams, so that only people with brains and background can do that.
<A124> How many are out there? No idea. People can see pictures, but not a global system. Why? Brain capacity, resources, knowledge, and area specialization. Therefore lack of knows.
<A124> To harness potential of existing stuff one shall know what it does and how it does it.
<A124> To make stuff, also how to make such stuff.
<A124> Most people only know/care about the first... 'what'. The 'how' does not require such immense knowledge resources and time as 'knowing to make', but yields enormous benefits and impact.
<A124> This counts and applies to (likely) everything in everyones life.
<A124> If you want to talk more, vtomole hit me in PM now.
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<A124> Many people ask: Why Go? This is the best thing I found to express that simply and quickly in a nutshell: https://talks.golang.org/2014/gocon-tokyo.slide
<A124> There are some languages that could pretty well (and they do already) compete with go and most (all?) other languages, but they are not yet stable, although some companies save vast amount of resources using them. Both in dev time and hardware costs.
<A124> ie crystal, nim.
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<A124> IPFS distributed computing. Will it be WebAssembly? ... currently one could theorethicaly make go -> js -> wa. Though I feel even go is a little too much to learn for some crowds, so that.
<A124> Before IPFS solves compute, is there any platform to share compute? Aka to donate cpu for credits then redeemable to performs tasks fast?
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<haad> passstab: thanks for the link ^, answered
<haad> Orbit ended on HN last night too https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12719374
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<Mateon1> A124: As far as I know, no such service/platform exists, however there exists BOINC, rewarding people with credits for computing scientific things, and there exists Gridcoin, which is a cryptocurrency mined by "Proof of Research" and interest - people who did more BOINC work or have more balance are rewarded at the time of a block being mined
<Mateon1> The issue is, right now the value of Gridcoin is way too small to be worth it to mine via BOINC computing.
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<A124> Thanks. Well I want to share computing power and use it when needed. Proffesionals can use EC instances, but those need domain knowldge and apis to manage efficiently, cost something, and you cannot balance.
<A124> Someone should take a charge of making a service of this kinds on top of IPFS soonish, even if it's community quality before it becomes more official.
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<A124> Anyone has advice on how about to go with publishing dozen million data points over IPFS? Accessed by ID, either number or string, depending on entity.
<cjd> whyrusleeping: u r fukt now ^^
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<A124> Alright. Can we get HTTP/2 at least on pub gateways?
<A124> When trying to resolve stuff that is not resolvable, when it is more then 6 things (RFC connection limit per host), it stalls.
<Kubuxu> A124: are the datapoints small or big?
<A124> Small, hundreds of bytes usually.
<A124> Other datapoints can be larger, but let's say all <=256k
<Kubuxu> I would wait for IPLD to be in experimental phase.
<Kubuxu> It is quite close.
<Kubuxu> also we have sharding planned for it.
<Kubuxu> so max map size won't be limited by the block size
<A124> Alright, have to update myself on that. I neglected that one.
<A124> Did not follow IPLD much up till now.
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<Kubuxu> Ahh, re: stall: inside one object,
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<Kubuxu> s/object/request
<Kubuxu> yeah, we should probably have "best effort fetch"
<A124> Kubuxu Can you please make HTTP/2 on the public proxies happen? Would help with performance on both sides.
<Kubuxu> Main performance boost of HTTP2 is PUSH afaik.
<A124> Well, say you load a page over IPFS, that refers to pictures over IPFS, and it is done via gateway. What happens is it waits for those pictures that do not exist.
<A124> So a timeout + HTTP/2 would be great.
<Kubuxu> IIRC it should load the page and deffer the load of the picture
<A124> Kubuxu Also TLS negotiation, round trip times (serious in current case of random gateway selection), and the multiplexing.
<Kubuxu> unless the webpage is JS and waits to load in whole
<A124> Yeah, it does load the page, but the other pictures that do not exist stall.
<A124> So you got like two pictures, and then nothing, instead 20% of the page.
<A124> This is real case scenario that happened already many times. We can wrap the gateway with http/2 proxy, so you can. No pressure making it part of IPFS, but I feel the need making it on the public entry points.
<Kubuxu> if you know how to do it, https://github.com/ipfs/infrastructure/
<Kubuxu> I can say that neither me nor lars might have enough time to do it.
<Kubuxu> http2 won't work on local gateways as it requires TLS
<A124> No, read please what I stated. Make it happen on the public ones, that are resolved from ipfs.io
<A124> Localhost is exception from the RFC limits I think, so that is totaly fine.
<A124> Will look around the repo. NginX has the capability also if you use that as a frontend.
<Kubuxu> Yeah, it should be quite easy, just http2 next to ssl in listen directive
<Kubuxu> and installation of nginx module
<Kubuxu> but it has to be tested and deployed
<A124> That would be great.
<A124> No pressure of deployment.
<Kubuxu> if you can either create PR with required changes and notes about modules, or just create an issue in the infrastructure repo
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<mib_82fbc42> hello
<mib_82fbc42> I am trying to find where within https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs is the <host>/ipfs/<hash> endpoint being handled
<mib_82fbc42> note: I am not asking for a walkthrough, just where is the router entry-point
<mib_82fbc42> ugh... missed that
<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: thank you
<mib_82fbc42> ok, so to self-answer my question from couple days ago
<mib_82fbc42> .../ipfs/... is in fact hardwired to work with unixfs trees alone: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/core/corehttp/gateway_handler.go#L193
<Kubuxu> yes
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<bergie> was there some protocol change with go-ipfs 0.4.4? It looks like the ipfs.io gateway wasn't able to reach resources that were on a 0.4.2 node, but was able to find them after upgrading to 0.4.4
<bergie> the changelog on go-ipfs doesn't have anything on 0.4.4 yet
<Kubuxu> bergie: 0.4.4 is differs by one patch from 0.4.3, and they was no protocol change in 0.4.3 but 0.4.2 had some bugs that prevented NAT punching and were preventing connections randomly.
<bergie> ok. just noticed that these resources stopped resolving on the public gateway on Friday
<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: what are the chances of unixfs undergoing incompatible changes? ( i.e. it's protobuf definition being redone and/or the rules for data reassembly changing? )
<Kubuxu> bergie: interesting
<Kubuxu> mib_82fbc42: current unixfs on protobuf format will stay as legacy, we will create new format based on IPLD
<Kubuxu> plan is to release it with 0.4.5, as experimental feature
<Kubuxu> so by default you would be only able to read it
<bergie> but anyway, I guess time to roll out 0.4.4 on our network soonish
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<Kubuxu> bergie: especially that there is bugfix for pinning in 0.4.4
<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: how will this affect ( in the distant future ) http://ipfs.io/ipfs/<unixfs hash>
<bergie> was just a little spooked by lack of changelog (and the GH 0.4.4 milestone still being open)
<Kubuxu> bergie: ahh, 0.4.4 changelog wasn't merged to master
<Kubuxu> and milestone should be shifted to 0.4.5
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<Kubuxu> as 0.4.4 was hotfix release
<Kubuxu> mib_82fbc42: we are introducing Content ID: see https://github.com/ipfs/specs/issues/130
<bergie> Kubuxu: thanks!
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<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: interesting, thank you for the link
<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: has here been any attempt/thought/discussion of allowing minimal de-duplication between unixfs v0 and an ipld-based dir-tree?
<mib_82fbc42> what I am essentially asking is: is there a way for me to construct unixfs trees in such a way, that the bulk of the data can be re-used as-is by ipld
<mib_82fbc42> or in other words: has there been any planning to be able to reuse unixfs rawdata nodes in the ipld world?
<Kubuxu> there are no unixfs raw data nodes
<Kubuxu> we just have PR for that
<Kubuxu> as it was created yesterday
<Kubuxu> leaf nodes in current unixfs are protobuf wrapped
<Kubuxu> raw leaf nodes in IPLD won't have any wrapping
<mib_82fbc42> so the answer to my question on reuse is "it won't be possible" yes?
<Kubuxu> yeah, it says that this unixfs node contains bytedata in the unixfs (protobuf) wrapping
<mib_82fbc42> ok, understood (though it would be nice-ish if there was a way to have the cake and eat it this way - i.e. for the ipld layer to recognize raw unixfs wrapped nodes as proper leaves)
<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: thank you for the clarifications, much appreciated
<Kubuxu> message that did not arrive:
<Kubuxu> you can use unixfs nodes in IPLD structure
<Kubuxu> at least that is what we are planning for
<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: a-ha! excellent then
<mib_82fbc42> so I will continue for the time being to experiment with my own chunking etc within the unixfs realm
<Kubuxu> but it probably be somehow limited
<mib_82fbc42> understood
<Kubuxu> also IPLD brings raw nodes which are awesome
<Kubuxu> nodes which hash is just the hash of data
<mib_82fbc42> right, as in
<mib_82fbc42> vs
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<Kubuxu> yeah but: object/data
<Kubuxu> vs
<Kubuxu> as there are two layers of wrapping right now
<Kubuxu> {[]links, data}
<Kubuxu> this is block
<Kubuxu> hmm
<mib_82fbc42> ah you mean literally raw nodes - with no protobuf stuff in them at all
<Kubuxu> yup
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<mib_82fbc42> that would be swell indeed ;)
<Kubuxu> this means that if you add 4k chunks, they perfectly fit in 4k hdd sectors
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<mib_82fbc42> Kubuxu: is there some sort of milestone or something where one can track the progress of said improvements?
<Kubuxu> we should have one
<Kubuxu> but we should clean it up and add all issues/prs to the milestone
<mib_82fbc42> nod, much appreciated
<mib_82fbc42> time to read...
<A124> Kubuxu What should we know if we are considering "donating" a public gateway?
<A124> Planning to run more of them, one for broad public.
<Kubuxu> using a public gateway is matter for trust
<Kubuxu> as your users can't really validate the content
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<A124> Aware of that. We would like to provide one for ipfs.io. To both contribute and to improve infrastructure. That is what I meant.
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<r0kk3rz> shouldnt you be using ipfs-js on the gateway anyway to reduce bandwidth costs?
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<A124> r0kk3rz not yet finished. Also if the content is only on your nodes, it would have to go through them anyways.
<A124> And not all devices are compatible with P2P and not all can afford that.
<A124> So having that, it would then be matter of choice which transport to use.
<A124> js-ipfs would be websockets anyway, so staying with HTTP/2 would do fine until js is ready to be used.
<r0kk3rz> i thought ipfs-js had a usable subset these days
<A124> Kind of, but unless people actually have same content, it only burdens the users.
<A124> And while things are spinning up, it is faster to get on track with http, and grow into stuff, gracefully.
<A124> We got it planned for 0.4.5 as test platform. And I'm the one that is the most progressive, so there is no need to push stuff that needs not to be. Platform and other related stuff is of core concern.
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<ilyaigpetrov> ipfs.io changed static site generator from wintersmith to Pelican, iianm. Is Pelican any better?
<ilyaigpetrov> or I think the author just knew python better than nodejs
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<ilyaigpetrov> s/wintersmith/metalsmith
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<keks> whyrusleeping: can we merge the floodsub refactor?
<keks> only subscribing once is kind of impractical
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<daviddias> Mateon1: + go-ipfs-dep@0.4.3-2 published :)
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<Kubuxu> ilyaigpetrov: it might be the case
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<Mateon1> daviddias: Thanks :)
<Mateon1> Oh my god, I feel like the whole internet is failing at the moment
<Mateon1> And not only at my place, but at my school as well
<Mateon1> An incredible amount of data is being corrupted in transit
<Mateon1> I couldn't download MSYS packages at school due to integrity check failures, I couldn't install "bash on ubuntu on windows" as it failed at either: before the download, at 0% downloaded, or at 1% downloaded.
<Mateon1> And right now I am unable to clone haad's orbit repo due to "RPC failed; curl 56 SSL read: error:1408F119:SSL [blah blah]:decryption failed or bad record mac, errno 0"
<Mateon1> Why is the internet not running on IPFS yet?
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<richardlitt> daviddias: anywhere you would point this guy? https://github.com/ipfs/py-ipfs/issues/33
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<daviddias> richardlitt: replied :)
<richardlitt> thanks daviddias :)
<richardlitt> <3 <3
<daviddias> richardlitt: it might be a good idea to have a page to explain this
<daviddias> or maybe then it would be under all the other stuff
<richardlitt> Agreed. It should actually probably be in the contribute
<richardlitt> daviddias: how does this sound? https://github.com/ipfs/community/issues/177#issuecomment-249565741
<daviddias> richardlitt: sounds good
<richardlitt> Cool.
<daviddias> probably, even better than having a document, is to pull the attention of every contributor that has shown interest
<daviddias> to this thread
<richardlitt> We could point to the issue from the document.
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<richardlitt> nicolagreco: You all good for the IPLD call today ?https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/223#issuecomment-254127286
<richardlitt> Just want to certify it is happening...
<daviddias> richardlitt: if go-ipfs is canceled, can we move the js-ipfs and libp2p one slot up
<richardlitt> Is it cancelled?
<richardlitt> I haven't heard that...
<daviddias> whyrusleeping: won't be able to make it
<daviddias> Kubuxu: isn't sure he can make it
<whyrusleeping> richardlitt: daviddias yeah, not gonna be able to make it
<richardlitt> ahhh ping me on those
<richardlitt> Ok, will remove it from the schedule.
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<richardlitt> Can you post in the issue saying that, too, for watchers?
<whyrusleeping> signing into github on my phone is difficult
<whyrusleeping> i'm somewhere between LA and SF right now
<richardlitt> ok, thanks
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<daviddias> whyrusleeping: added a comment pointing to the IRC log for you https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/223#issuecomment-254231950
<richardlitt> thanks daviddias. Updated schedule.
<richardlitt> :)
<daviddias> thank you!
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<whyrusleeping> daviddias: <3
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<whyrusleeping> daviddias: i did manage to figure out how to log into github on my phone though
<whyrusleeping> so now i feel silly for making you do that for me
<daviddias> whyrusleeping: well, now you are set up for next time
<daviddias> I do feel that, since there was a record of you proposing and deciding to cancel, no need to make you do all the work of loggin in the phone, when someone at the desktop can point to it in a few clicks.
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<richardlitt> yeah. Realised I could have posted it
<richardlitt> I just... didn't know? :P
<richardlitt> sorry for the hoops whyrusleeping
<Kubuxu> daviddias: Now I know
<Kubuxu> I can make it
<Kubuxu> but I am so tired
<Kubuxu> that I am not sure I would be much of a use during calls.
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<richardlitt> 15 minutes to all hands call
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<keks> whyrusleeping: are you there? can we talk about floodsub?
<keks> i gotta run in a few minutes but i would love to get this off the table
<keks> or at least know what's going on
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<keks> whyrusleeping: :(
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<keks> anyway, i gotta run. just leave me a note on github if you read this.
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<victorbjelkholm> richardlitt, zoom + steam links are linking nowhere here: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/223
<richardlitt> Worst timing ever.
<victorbjelkholm> s/steam/stream
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<richardlitt> I know. I just found out my charger isn't working
<richardlitt> and I have 5% left.
<victorbjelkholm> ooh, no good, thanks for reminding me to connect my charger though
<Mateon1> Can somebody put the Zoom installer on IPFS cause my network seriously sucks...
<Mateon1> For Windows...
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<Mateon1> Well, nevermind
<Mateon1> wget kinda works (with retries)
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<victorbjelkholm> Mateon1, I would but since I'm on ubuntu, they don't allow windows download...
<richardlitt> =======
<Mateon1> victorbjelkholm: https://zoom.us/client/latest/ZoomInstaller.exe - I think this is Windows regardless of agent
<richardlitt> ALL HANDS CALL
<richardlitt> Now starting
<gsf[m]> stream link?
<Kubuxu> Steam is: https://beam.pro/Kubuxu
<gsf[m]> see it now thanks Kubuxu
<Kubuxu> It was just added :p
<Mateon1> "Offline"
<Mateon1> Welp, that lasted long
<Kubuxu> I will start it when we start.
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<victorbjelkholm> Mateon1, Qmd3AR4ism5vLCqZ2ierNCbtdGfiWib5EaB3GG4pij3kFX
<Mateon1> victorbjelkholm: Thanks
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<A124> Any non-zoom stream, Kubuxu?
<A124> Nevermind
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* A124 is overworked today.
<Kubuxu> Yeah, I have to create IPFS account on beam
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<victorbjelkholm> flyingzumwalt, wouldn't it make sense for the project leads to take ownership over the roadmap for their projects rather than grouping by week?
<victorbjelkholm> Can't get my mic to work anymore...
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<victorbjelkholm> flyingzumwalt, it's just that the project leads might know more about what goes where and so on, as go-ipfs don't know how to structure richardlitt's readme work etc
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<lgierth> so sorry about the background noise here -- it's really not an ideal place to have the sprint hangout
<lgierth> victorbjelkholm: ubuntu? install pulseaudio volume control (pavucontrol)
<lgierth> then switch the sound input from internal microphone to microphone (unplugged)
<lgierth> richardlitt: i want to make sure that we ask mateon and sid if thehy have questions
<lgierth> flyingzumwalt: ^
<victorbjelkholm> flyingzumwalt, infrastructure, I have that. Also I have website milestones and stuff
<victorbjelkholm> lgierth, yeah, trying, is with built-in macbook mic... Was working two seconds ago, usually a restart fixes it
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<Mateon1> lgierth: Not any specific questions, mostly want to listen in. Also, I want to work on making Orbit work on windows (a huge milestone was recently done by merging the go-ipfs-dep PR)
<victorbjelkholm> Mateon1, that's awesome! Go for it!
<A124> Windows IPFS performance suffers, not sure why. (TCP limiting or something)
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<A124> David is awesome, btw.
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<victorbjelkholm> A124, agreed
<daviddias> <- this David? Not sure if I'm taking credit from someone, but if it was for me, thank you! :D
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<Mateon1> A124: In my experience it isn't too drastic. I easily get 180 peers at once on Windows, but as I mentioned in one of the issues that congests my router in some way that disallows me from opening connections.
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<Mateon1> I really wished to work on Orbit today, but my internet is just not cooperating at the moment. Sorry :(
<daviddias> Mateon1: failing on npm install?
<Mateon1> daviddias: Yes, due to mismatched checksums
<daviddias> woa
<Mateon1> For some weird reason, on the same file twice: libp2p-webrtc-star-0.4.5.tgz
<flyingzumwalt> lgierth what project would the milestone for Monitoring Alerts belong to?
<daviddias> flyingzumwalt: probably https://github.com/ipfs/infrastructure
<flyingzumwalt> cool.
<kumavis> same zoom for the next calls?
<victorbjelkholm> flyingzumwalt, so where we put the milestones in the end? In the repo for the endeavour?
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<daviddias> kumavis: the answer is yes, nevertheless, when it doubt, reference to: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/223
<victorbjelkholm> lgierth, it would be fine for you if I create Github milestones for the things we discussed?
<kumavis> ipfs/pm! i knew this existed but couldnt remember the name
<kumavis> thanks
<flyingzumwalt> victorbjelkholm yes. The default is to use GH milestones to represent milestones for your roadmap.
<victorbjelkholm> flyingzumwalt, thanks
<lgierth> victorbjelkholm: yes yes go ahead
<Mateon1> Oh, I do actually have a question. Regarding metrics.ipfs.team; it resolves to something on fc00::, but returns 403 Forbidden on connection
<Mateon1> Is it actually public?
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<lgierth> Mateon1: yes there's an ACL based on ip address in front of it
<victorbjelkholm> lgierth, could you add me as *something* so I can add milestones? Seems I don't have enough permission
<lgierth> we wanna make it public but it isn't just yet
<lgierth> victorbjelkholm: oops yep one sec
<victorbjelkholm> lgierth, awesome, thanks
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<daviddias> flyingzumwalt: I wonder what the 'default' means
<daviddias> we never actually settled in that
<flyingzumwalt> When your project is contained in a single GH repo.
<daviddias> roger :)
<A124> Mateon1 Do not use it locally or use a socks proxy with a shim
<Mateon1> A124: Sorry? Regarding metrics or npm?
<A124> Regarding router.
<flyingzumwalt> What's hector's GH handle?
<A124> Also cjdns
<Mateon1> A124: Ah, I'm just hoping for a udp transport or connection limiting
<A124> If you overfill TCP table, UDP will still work.
<A124> Not onls transport.
<pjz> victorbjelkholm: you can kind of suimulate milestones with checkbox items in an issue
<flyingzumwalt> ah. hsanjuan
<A124> But yeah, UDP is highly desirable. With TCP fallback.
<lgierth> yeah we'll have multiple udp-based transports
<lgierth> the one closest to being available is probably utp
<Mateon1> TCP isn't really scalable as the network grows, in a sense. I expect for there to be tens of thousands of peers in the short term, and if everything goes right, billions in the long term
<flyingzumwalt> what time ranges should I list as options in the doodle poll for scheduling the PM discussion? Also - do we know when haad and whyrusleeping will be back from their mini-vacations?
<victorbjelkholm> flyingzumwalt, should be in the calendar?
<victorbjelkholm> flyingzumwalt, haad will be off for a while I remember
<daviddias> lgierth: should infrastructure get their monday call again? Now that there is a roadmap? Things like IPFS-cluster could be discussed on it
<victorbjelkholm> daviddias, maybe monthly calls makes more sense? Roadmap is not very big
<A124> Weekly calls even if for few minutes add to productivity in my experience.
<daviddias> yeah, it is good to keep momentum
<Mateon1> Well, it's a double-edged sword
<daviddias> also enable other people to jump in
<Mateon1> It adds motivation/productivity, but it does take time.
<Mateon1> 4 hours per week isn't insignificant
<A124> If there is not much to discuss, 10m a week is not a time.
<A124> 4 hours would be everything and long calls.
<daviddias> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: js-ipfs=========================
<daviddias> Topic: js-ipfs
<daviddias> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/223
<daviddias> Stream:
<daviddias> Join Hangout: https://zoom.us/j/3339991818
<daviddias> =============================================================================
<em-ly> @flyingzumwalt appropriate times for group calls are typical 12pm - 2pm EST i believe
<A124> Anyway, at what I do currently we are basically just two, infrastructure and server guy, and me.
<em-ly> @Kubuxu are you going to be able to turn on the stream for the js call?
<Kubuxu> Stram: https://beam.pro/Kubuxu
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<em-ly> stream is down for me
<lgierth> daviddias: yeah why not. let's see if there's a desire for it next week
<lgierth> there's definitely a lot of knowledge transfer to do
<em-ly> back up now!
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<Mateon1> You're not alone :)
<lgierth> Kubuxu: the bloom size change is on all hosts now
<Kubuxu> Ok, great
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<lgierth> Kubuxu: ok i can reproduce it
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<lgierth> Kubuxu: ooooh. i don't know how, but i ended up deploying a commit which is from 17-jan
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<flyingzumwalt> Here's the issue for scheduling the PM Process call: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/225
<Kubuxu> it is just a merge I think
<lgierth> yeah but still, from 17-jan
<Kubuxu> oh, so very old
<Kubuxu> right
<Kubuxu> it will be in master
<Kubuxu> and every head
<lgierth> ok gonna take the real master this time
<Kubuxu> Do you want to add to the retrospective
<Kubuxu> or create a new one?
<lgierth> yes i'll add it
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<lgierth> so i think it was running the correct head all these days, but i somehow ended up committing this old ref
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<Mateon1> Okay, I have finally managed to npm install without shasum mismatches. Orbit still fails to install. Points of failure: go-ipfs-dep@0.4.4-floodsub2 not available on Windows; ipfs-daemon post install script written in .sh; and probably a bunch more.
<lgierth> dignifiedquire: re: go-ipfs-dep on wnidows ^
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<em-ly> is there someone talking right now? we can't hear it on the stream.
<victorbjelkholm> em-ly, yeah! Kubuxu stream seems to not emit sound
<Kubuxu> Oh, right
<Kubuxu> It is just me.
<victorbjelkholm> ah, because you're streaming...
<em-ly> oh, that's so weird.
<Mateon1> Since my Q wasn't seen on Zoom: Regarding functional WebAssembly/something else, how did Morte work out?
<em-ly> i can hear you now!
<victorbjelkholm> em-ly, was the same when dignifiedquire did it last time
<em-ly> @daviddias Question above ^
<victorbjelkholm> daviddias^^^
<em-ly> @Kubuxu ^ question for the js sesh
<victorbjelkholm> gonna have to drop out now daviddias... Smell you all later!
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<daviddias> ========================== IPFS Hangouts: libp2p =========================
<daviddias> Topic: libp2p
<daviddias> Join Hangout: https://zoom.us/j/3339991818
<daviddias> Sprint Issue: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/223
<daviddias> Stream:
<daviddias> ====================================================================
<daviddias> Mateon1: sorry for missing your question, my IRC had crashed.
<daviddias> I don't have enough info about Morte, haven't dialed in into that thread in a while
<em-ly> bye @victorbjelkholm!
<Mateon1> https://github.com/ipfs/apps/issues/6 @ daviddias Some info on Morte if you haven't seen this yet
<Mateon1> (save it for after the calls)
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<Mateon1> Later!
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<kumavis> daviddias: i think that the branch and npm link situation is a bit batshit crazy
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<kumavis> i suggest merging into master with a major version bump
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<kumavis> you can also have dnpm eps point at branches on github
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<em-ly> holy net split batman
<kumavis> so thats worth considering
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<Kubuxu> em-ly: use smart filtering
<Kubuxu> I didn't see any :P
<Mateon1> I see at most 3 join/part/nick change/status change messages in a row, after that they fold
<em-ly> good call Kubuxu
<em-ly> yeah, they were all grouping folded in the way that irccloud does it's thing
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<em-ly> but the list just got longer and longer
<Mateon1> Oh, I'm using Thunderbird, not irccloud
<kumavis> Mateon1 link to morte ?
<Kubuxu> it might have a case if you are part of the split
<kumavis> ty
<Mateon1> If anybody's interested about Thunderbird's folding: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXDYxcX8jK4tSwQxdGmZoqiCScBJX9MWHJ98v3wmjXwAs
<Mateon1> Whoops, bad cropping
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<lgierth> sorry i broke something
<richardlitt> :D
<lgierth> :)
<lgierth> not the netsplit ^
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<lgierth> thanks obama
<wak-work> not a netsplit
<wak-work> probably just a matrix bridge reboot
<lgierth> now i know why i reverted that thing in july :/
<lgierth> matrix<->irc netsplit :)
<wak-work> yeah i guess you could still call it that
<cjd> well a netsplit appears as 1 line
<cjd> not 20 pages
<lgierth> ok fixed
<lgierth> turns out that if you work in bash, you should take good care of quoting and escaping variables
<kumavis> daviddias: unable to npm link ipfs-block into js-ipld-dag-cbor bc of some npm error (reported to npm)
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<kumavis> daviddias: what node version are you using?
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<Mateon1> lgierth: Just do everything in Haskell, and enforce quoting via the type system :P
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<Kubuxu> treat the bash/shell same way you use js
<Kubuxu> s/you/we/
<Kubuxu> check and controll
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* Kubuxu is doing a writeup on Private Networks, it will be simple but it should start and keep us going.
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<Kubuxu> I wonder about the overhead.
<Kubuxu> Could you test that?
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<Kubuxu> TCP dump on the daemon.
<Kubuxu> Send 10MiB file through the tuns.
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<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: is it possible that floodsub right now is bouncing? Meaning: A sends X to node B and node B sends X to A
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<woo> is there any way I can use ipfs with truffle and react-js to store data permanently?
<lgierth> Kubuxu: yep good point re: shellcheck
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<Mateon1> Why do I right now feel as if I'm in a third world country?... I get 50-200 kilobytes per retry in wget
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: no, it shouldnt be
<whyrusleeping> Although i think i might see a possibility for that to happen, let me verify
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: yeah, pretty sure that won'y happen https://github.com/libp2p/go-floodsub/blob/master/floodsub.go#L280
<Kubuxu> ^^ Magik6k
<whyrusleeping> also, holy shit thats so cool Magik6k
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<whyrusleeping> but, one possible weird scenario: A.Send(B, X), A.Send(C, X), B.Send(D, X), C.Send(D, X)
<whyrusleeping> where it forms a diamond shaped network
<whyrusleeping> and D receives X twice
<Kubuxu> RIght
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<Magik6k> I have bigger plans for that
<Magik6k> (says a person that already wrote one IP stack)
<Kubuxu> Magik6k: complete the direct tunneling ... <3
<Kubuxu> in Lua :p
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<whyrusleeping> kevina: hey, wanna chat about your concerns on 3307?
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<kumavis> daviddias: do the tests for js-ipld-dag-cbor#awesome-ipld work for you?
<kumavis> i get a failure that it cant find the symlinked ipfs-block
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<kumavis> daviddias: ffffound https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-block/pull/7
<kumavis> you guise must be using different tools if im running into such simple issues....
<kumavis> y'all*
<kevina> whyrusleeping: just got back, sure give me a min.
<whyrusleeping> Magik6k: i can make the routing code in the floodsub package easily overrideable if youre interested
<kumavis> daviddias: we should do a call sometime, your code base is a bit crazy
<kumavis> heh
<whyrusleeping> would allow you to plug in fun switching logic
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<Magik6k> would be fun probably
<Magik6k> My plan is to make cjdns-like adressed 100% zeroconf network
<Magik6k> for ipv6
<Magik6k> and with peer list for ipv4
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: will the Cid for a block tell me the format the block is in?
<whyrusleeping> kevina: yeah, it will tell you if its raw, or protobuf, or cbor, or json
<whyrusleeping> or an ethereum block, or a bitcoin block, or a git object
<kevina> okay, than that is all I really need to know
<whyrusleeping> Magik6k: that would be awesome
<kevina> it won't really make things easier (if I still want to support the old format), but it won't cause a major
<kevina> a major problem.
<whyrusleeping> okay
<kevina> It will just be a switch, decode it or not.
<whyrusleeping> sweet
<whyrusleeping> you can also type switch
<whyrusleeping> switch obj := obj.(type) {
<whyrusleeping> case *dag.ProtoNode:
<whyrusleeping> case *dag.RawNode:
<whyrusleeping> }
<kevina> okay thanks for the info
<kevina> whyrusleeping: have you had a chance to look at https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3309
<whyrusleeping> Yeah, I think that instead of adding posInfo to everything, we should just implement our own Node type for the filestore
<kevina> I'm not sure I see the benifit. The PosInfo will still need to be set somewhere and will likely lead to some special cases.
<kevina> Unless I somehow am able to derive this info. indirectly it is unlikely to simply much code.
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<whyrusleeping> hrm...
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<kevina> Not PosInfo is set in the builder when sharding (I think that's the right word)
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<kevina> Not = Note ;)
<whyrusleeping> yeah, sharding is the right word
<whyrusleeping> can you point me to where the PosInfo is consumed in the filestore codebase?
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<kevina> Put method in filestore/datastore.go
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<kevina> And directly in prepareBlock in filestore/support/blockstore.go
<kevina> prepareBlock creates the filestore DataObj that is then used by the Put method in the filestore datastore.
<whyrusleeping> kevina: at what point in the normal add stack does a ProtoNode get sent into the filestore?
<kevina> whyrusleeping: can you clarify
<whyrusleeping> at what point do i take my dag.Node and decide to put it into the filestore instead of the normal datastore?
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<kevina> At no point. I no longer care about dag.Node. I just decode the raw blocks once it gets to the filestore. But...
<kevina> But to answer your question prepareBlock in filestore/support/blockstore.go determines where to put the block
<kevina> However, keep in mind my special blockstore will only be used in a specialized add pipeline.
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<kevina> in core/commands/add.go
<kevina> "f nocopy {" ...
<kevina> "if nocopy {" ...
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<whyrusleeping> right
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<whyrusleeping> i'm just doing some thinking towards how we should best do this
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<whyrusleeping> i'm not on board with having PosInfo as an exposed method on all of those objects
<kevina> why?
<kevina> it just exposes some additional information
<kevina> that is very hard to get elsewhere
<whyrusleeping> it feels mess
<whyrusleeping> y
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<kevina> are you against the modified code in the sharding?
<kevina> basically, I really simplified this code down to what I really can't derive elsewhere,
* whyrusleeping is 70% of the way through an idea
<kevina> for example, I got ride of DataPtr and just decode the raw blocks...
<whyrusleeping> so, you don't need PosInfo on the blocks
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<whyrusleeping> 'Node's are blcosk
<whyrusleeping> blocks*
<kevina> Yes I do need PosInfo on the blocks.
<whyrusleeping> and you can just type check to see if your node matches the filestores 'PosInfo' interface
<kevina> one sec.
<kevina> I can remove PosInfo from the Block interface, if that is what is bothering you, but I still need it in BasicBlock
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<whyrusleeping> why do you need it in basicBlock?
<kevina> and it won't really remove any code (that I can think of)
<kevina> I need the information given by PosInfo
<whyrusleeping> for adding?
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<kevina> So PosInfo contains: an Offset within the file, the FullPath of the original, and the results of Stat() on the file before it was read
<kevina> and yes for adding, I think.
<kevina> The sharding, gets the file information from the adder and then adds to Offset.
<kevina> And this information needs to make it to the filestore somehow.
<whyrusleeping> yeap
* whyrusleeping about 80% through this idea now
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<kumavis> i have ipld q's, who should i ask?
<whyrusleeping> kumavis: i can answer probably
<kumavis> so im writing js-ipld-eth-block
<kumavis> currently implementing the `path` method
<kumavis> it should return a flat array of paths and values in the blob (?)
<whyrusleeping> oh, javascript. yeah, i'm not able to answer that for you
<kumavis> i have some local values in this node, as well as links to other nodes
<whyrusleeping> sorry :(
<whyrusleeping> is the method path, or tree?
<kumavis> excuse me, `tree`
<whyrusleeping> oh@
<whyrusleeping> i'm implementing tree as returning a flat array of string paths
<kumavis> ok
<kumavis> in the case where theres paths to other nodes and a data blob
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<kumavis> should `tree` return references to the pieces in the data blob or only the links to external nodes?
<whyrusleeping> does the data blob conceptually have a 'path' within the object?
<kumavis> ( still learning the best language to refer to this stuff )
<kumavis> yeah
<whyrusleeping> then return the path of the data in your list
<kumavis> e.g.: [localDatum1Path,localDatum2Path,remoteDatum1Path,remoteDatum2Path, ...] ?
<whyrusleeping> like, if your object is {Data: "asdasdad", Foo: { Bar : {"/" : "QmFoo" }, Baz : "1234" } }, Tree returns [ "Data", "Foo/Bar", "Foo/Baz" ]
<kumavis> ok
<kumavis> how do i provide a link to an external node ?
<kumavis> or i guess i just return the names of the links
<kumavis> here
<kumavis> maybe im not thinking about this at the correct level for ipld, so excuse me as i adjust my framing
<whyrusleeping> kevina: so, you will no longer actually get PosInfo from a BasicBlock
<whyrusleeping> the Node objects get passed down all the way until we put them into the datastore
<kumavis> but inside of this blob, there are paths to parts of the local data blob, and paths to other nodes ( that requires other ipfs lookups )
<whyrusleeping> kevina: is the filestore still implemented as a 'Datastore' replacement? or is it at the blockstore level?
<kumavis> where do i return the references to other remote lookups ?
<kevina> whyrusleeping: the filestore is a datastore replacement, but it doesn't have to be.
<whyrusleeping> kumavis: in go i added a Links method that just returns links
<whyrusleeping> but daviddias and jbenet say thats 'not part of the official interface
<whyrusleeping> so ymmv
<kumavis> where is that data returned outside of 'links', if anywhere
<whyrusleeping> kevina: it might make more sense as a blockstore replacement, don't you think?
<kumavis> resolve ?
<whyrusleeping> yeah, just in resolve
<whyrusleeping> which makes doing a tree traversal rather difficult
<kumavis> yeah thats a reasonable concern
<kevina> whyrusleeping: it might, but what stopped me from a full conversion is how this ties into the repo
<kumavis> so if the path points to an external node, what do i return in resolve? a string?
<kevina> whyrusleeping: I am not 100% sure but I think adding a blockstore dep to the repo code could create a circular dependency?
<kevina> whyrusleeping: circular deps. where a real problem for me. That is why I have several different packages implementing the filestore code
<whyrusleeping> kumavis: i havent actually figured that out yet. For now, my resolve returns a link type object
<kumavis[m]1> hmm ok
<whyrusleeping> and isnt yet able to resolve internal fields
<whyrusleeping> its difficult...
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<Nergal> whyrusleeping: if one were to do similar with magnet uri, would it be the same limitation?
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: I'm actually not 100% sure how to add something that isn't a datastore to the fsrepo...
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<whyrusleeping> Nergal: an ipfs hash is basically a magnet link
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<Nergal> whyrusleeping: I was reading that from ipfs/notes the other day. But, what about embedded info? Is that something more relegated to unixfs?
<Nergal> like the extra info often in magnet links?
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<alu> whyrusleeping: im writing that down
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: I am trying to figure out what you are after, If I take a node we can remove PosInfo() from BasicBlock, but it will still need to hang off Node...
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: the issue is with threading this information through...
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<kevina> https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3309 is pretty minimal and shows all the places the changes required to thread the info through...
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<whyrusleeping> Nergal: embedded info?
<whyrusleeping> afaik there isnt extra info in magent links
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<whyrusleeping> alu: writing what down?
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<alu> ipfs hash is basically a magnet link
<whyrusleeping> kevina: the issue i'm looking at is that for every different 'Node' type we end up implementing, you will have to make your filestore code support it
<whyrusleeping> alu: ah, yep!
<alu> you should read how i used ipfs to translate imgur albums to avatars in metaverse
<whyrusleeping> alu: link to post?
<alu> my script just right now is working beautifully and successfully converted 20+ albums, over 600 avatars, in 1 swoop more than any other social VR platform
<kevina> whyrusleeping: that is kind of unavoidable at some level, I have to know who to figure out if the block contains data from a backing file and if so seperate it. But...
<kevina> If will only every plan to have raw nodes and the existing protobuf nodes then that is the only two types I will really care about.
<whyrusleeping> alu: thats pretty sweet :) good job
<whyrusleeping> kevina: fair enough
<whyrusleeping> kevina: because you don't really care about the intermediate nodes
<whyrusleeping> right?
<whyrusleeping> only leaves with data
<kevina> whyrusleeping: no I don't, I just store them,
<whyrusleeping> cool
<kevina> whyrusleeping: only the leaves
<alu> fun fun
<whyrusleeping> so you will really only have to worry about the 'old' protobuf and raw blocks
<whyrusleeping> so, for that i'm thinking you make a FilestoreNode type or something
<whyrusleeping> that looks like:
<kevina> whyrusleeping: i need to know that it is an intermediate nodes that is part of the file
<kevina> whyrusleeping: so I can store it
<whyrusleeping> type FilestoreNode struct {
<whyrusleeping> node.Node
<whyrusleeping> PosInfo *PosInfo
<whyrusleeping> }
<kevina> and how will I use that, I work with blocks, not nodes
<kevina> I could store the PosInfo in a separate data structure...
<kevina> a separate data structure will take a decent amount of work and I'm not even sure what it will look like
<kevina> whyrusleeping: this goes back to moving the filestore all the way to the DagService level,
<kumavis> who should i talk to about filecoin ?
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<kumavis> implementation details
<whyrusleeping> kevina: nodes are blocks
<whyrusleeping> kumavis: depends on what youre asking
<whyrusleeping> i can answer some questions
<kumavis> mostly curious who is working on it
<whyrusleeping> jesse, who you might have met is primarily doing so right now
<whyrusleeping> i likely will start getting into it myself in the near future
<whyrusleeping> and we're looking for people who are good at solidity to bring on to help
<kumavis> i help maintain the ethereumjs ecosystem and recently working on ipld/libp2p stuff so im in the cross section
<whyrusleeping> a lot of the recent ipfs work i've been doing is partially to help its usage in filecoin
<kevina> Did something change. A Node is a merkeldag, and a
<whyrusleeping> kevina: something changed somewhat recently, yeah
<whyrusleeping> the node type, now that its an interface, also implements the block interface
<whyrusleeping> so now instead of having to marshal the node into an array of bytes at the dagservice level, we can pass it down into the blockstore
<whyrusleeping> where it gets treated as a block
<kevina> so I guess I need to spend a few hours rebasing https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3309 so I can figure out what is going on with the recent changes :(
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<whyrusleeping> kevina: i really think this will make things easier for you
<whyrusleeping> also, i'm okay with most of the changes in that PR
<whyrusleeping> the stuff in the importer is all mostly LGTM
<kevina> I'm sure, is just the constant conflict resolution that is starting to get to me. :(
<kevina> whyrusleeping: re importer thanks.
<kevina> so we are on the same page what pull request is that
<kevina> ?
<whyrusleeping> kevina: i can handle the conflict resolution for you if you want, i understand the filestore code well enough at this point
<whyrusleeping> talking about 3309
<kevina> oh, thought you where talking about another pr
<whyrusleeping> which one?
<whyrusleeping> (i havent looked at many PRs since friday)
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<kevina> no idea, just some other, ie not 3309
<whyrusleeping> ah
<kevina> whyrusleeping: if you have the time and you think you can make 3309 work without the parts you don't like go for it
<whyrusleeping> i'll actually do that right now
<whyrusleeping> merged 3308
<kevina> okay, than go for it :)
<whyrusleeping> (i've got time since i'm avoiding dealing with cbor annoyances)
<kevina> and 3308, thanks
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<whyrusleeping> the best way to solve problems is to ignore them until they go away
<kevina> re 3309the test case is not 100% but should make sure PosInfo gets passed though to where it is needed.
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: so we are clear, with non-leaf nodes I still need to know what file they are representing, I just don't care about the internal format
<whyrusleeping> kevina: will posinfo be nil when we arent doing a filestore add?
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: it can be, but right now it's not
<kevina> I believe the test now is if we have the results of Stat() (ie os.FIleInfo) for a file
<kevina> That information is passed in through the adder
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<whyrusleeping> ah, okay
<whyrusleeping> i think we should probably go with it being nil for normal adds
<kevina> that is fine by me, but that information needs to get through some how,
<kevina> The adder has no filestore test right now...
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<whyrusleeping> (note: i havent tested it, but it should build)
<whyrusleeping> note that its rebased on the raw blocks PR
<whyrusleeping> to prevent having to do another rebase later
<kevina> is my test passing?
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<whyrusleeping> let me run it
<kevina> thanks
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<whyrusleeping> kevina: fixed it
<whyrusleeping> pushed to that same branch again
<kevina> looking....
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<whyrusleeping> forgot to add a file...
<kevina> did you forget to check in a file? github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/thirdparty/posinfo
<whyrusleeping> yeap
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<kevina> btw: /go-ipfs/fuse/readonly/ipfs_test.go fails to compile for me
<kevina> home/kevina/gocode/src/github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/fuse/readonly/ipfs_test.go:45: cannot use obj (type node.Node) as type *merkledag.ProtoNode in return argument: need type assertion
<whyrusleeping> oh, i always run tests with -tags=nofuse
<whyrusleeping> so i didnt notice
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<kevina> I tend to use "make build test_go_short" to make sure tests compile.
<kevina> I don't think test_go_short runs fuse tests, but I guess it compiles them.
<whyrusleeping> ah, yeah
<whyrusleeping> there, pushed the fix in feat/raw-nodes
<whyrusleeping> rebasing the posinfo change on it
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<kevina> so are you basically happy with feat/raw-nodes?
<whyrusleeping> yeah, pretty happy with it
<whyrusleeping> i want Kubuxu to review it
<whyrusleeping> but hes been busy lately
<kevina> I ask because to see if your changes work for me I need to merge kevina/posinfo-2 back into the filestore and make sure everything passes.
<kevina> If you are going to rebase that, things can get messy :)
<whyrusleeping> i proooobably won't rebase it again
<kevina> okay, good enough for me.
<kevina> from what I can tell so for it looks good though
<whyrusleeping> kevina: do you want to reset --hard your posinfo branch to my code?
<whyrusleeping> or just PR my branch?
<kevina> Lets create a new PR and close the old to keep things clean.
<kevina> BTW: Could you edit the commit message to "Add PosInfo() method to blocks and merkeldag nodes." so it has some indication that you changes things in non-trivial way
<kevina> ?
<kevina> (in case you don't notice, I seam to not like using '?' marks for some reason)