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<anuejn> does anyone of you know which algorithm / algorithm class to use for finding the parameters of a pll with multiple outputs?
<tnt> anuejn: for what device ?
<anuejn> (Such as the 7 series PLL and MMCM primitives)
<anuejn> they basically feature a vco which can be controlled by a multiply + divide signal and dividers for all the outputs
<anuejn> so the main problem is finding the optimal legal vco frequency, so that all the clocks have minimal error
<anuejn> but how to do that?
<tnt> exhaustive search
<tnt> the vco has a limited range, so each output will only have so many divider that can possibly work.
<anuejn> ok thanks
<anuejn> you dont think, there is something better?
<tnt> Not that would be worth implementing. It's not going to find a better solution and the time to do the full search is going to be imperceptible ...
<tnt> Technically it's an overdetermined system of equation that you're trying to minize with integer solutions ... I'm sure there are math libraries that could do that, but that seems _way_ overkill.
<anuejn> ok, i see
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<elms> Hey all, is there an open source simulator with timing support (SDF)?
<daveshah> I think Icarus has some SDF support
<elms> I see that it has some flags. Anyone have experience with using it?
<Finde> been wondering this myself lately
<Finde> haven't taken the time to look into it yet though
<elms> Finde: If I find out more or get time to try it I'll let you know.
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<Finde> thanks!
<Finde> was hoping to give a demo of some gatesim stuff
<Finde> run a sim of the behavioural model, synthesise with yosys, then do a simulation of the synthesised model
<Finde> but all open source
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<ZombieChicken> hello. Anything new been reverse engineered since (some of) the Lattive FPGAs?
<gruetzkopf> more lattice fpgas
<ZombieChicken> Neat
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<mithro> Anyone know if this a liberty file? -> https://github.com/YosysHQ/yosys/blob/master/techlibs/common/cells.lib ?
<tnt> a liberty file ?
<vup2> mithro: yes looks like it
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<pie___> what the heck is a liberty file thats almost as big as an intel manual
<daveshah> ASIC cell library format
<daveshah> Tends to include an awful amount of capacitance, drive, etc data
<pie___> ah
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